There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims.

[Hans]

Since we seem to have entered the valley of denial on our way (rather quickly as some have already made their way to that forbidding place known to many as 'lalalalala' land) where the hands of the deniers are clench over their ears and eyes.

See no evidence
Read no evidence
Hear no evidence
Accept no evidence
Refuse all evidence

Ask for more evidence to deny


Some details on Denialism may be instructive

http://www.denialism.com/2007/03/what-is-denialism.html

 

[Saggy]

So you agree there is a series of photographs, of mass graves including body bits, from Treblinka.

No, this is complete idiocy. Standard cant from dissemblers (aha !) like NT and ME.

Anyone interested can read the link, that is, read all of it. The sentence to look for - the investigation was halted when they determined there was no likelihood of finding any mass graves.

 

[Architect]

And yet, Saggy, you still can't refute any of Nick's researched points. Bummer, eh?

 

[Chaos]

Some details on Denialism may be instructive

http://www.denialism.com/2007/03/what-is-denialism.html

Interesting site, thanks.

I wonder if anyone would like to create a Holocaust denier themed version of the "Denialists´ Deck of Cards".

 

[Paradox74]

Easy now...

Don't lump us death metal fans in with this guy Saggy.

Ditto to that (though I'm not too sure if November's Doom counts as a "true" death metal band).

 

[bruto]

.....That's why Saggy and I always win.

Even from a denialist I'm surprised at that last statement. Have you not noticed the withering scorn with which Saggy greets nearly every statement you make? One of you might, hypothetically, win, but never both. You may run around his feet wagging your tail, but you'll get little more than a kick in return. Saggy has as little use for your weaseling halfacaust as everyone else.

 

[Dogzilla]

So you agree there is a series of photographs, of mass graves including body bits, from Treblinka. That's interesting. So you simply lied when you said there is no mass grave at Treblinka? Did you apply your "math" skills to all the photos in conjuction with the Polish report? May I see your conclusions? Were you going to copy this page?

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34&start=0

I said there were no mass graves large enough to hold the number of bodies said to have been buried there. Stop pretending you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying.

 

[Dogzilla]

Even from a denialist I'm surprised at that last statement. Have you not noticed the withering scorn with which Saggy greets nearly every statement you make? One of you might, hypothetically, win, but never both. You may run around his feet wagging your tail, but you'll get little more than a kick in return. Saggy has as little use for your weaseling halfacaust as everyone else.

Saggy sees through the charade. I see through the charade. Saggy thinks the Joos are behind it, I think some Jews are perpetrators of the charade but most are victims of it. I think he's racist. He thinks I'm blind. It just shows you that deniers are independent thinkers. We call out BS wherever we see it even if it supports out side.

A couple of revisionists slugging it out makes it more interesting than being a Nick Terry lap dog who believe they're showing wisdom by accepting everything professional historians believe. Meadmaker is the only one of you who shows any inclination toward independent thought.

Saggy and I win because we both speak the truth about the holocaust. In the end, the truth always wins.

 

[Dogzilla]

Gentleman I think the discussion has devolved into simple denialism by Saggy and Dogzilla - they are just repeating the same claims over and over again while ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

Saggy, I think the discussion has devolved into simple denialism by the others. They are simply showing us the same pictures over and over again while ignoring the fact that these pictures show nothing.

 

[Dogzilla]

Aww, shucks! Here I thought you were at least honest when you claimed to believe that the holocaust happened but didn't believe in gas chambers. Now the truth rears its ugly head.

So you are finally admitting that the gas chambers ARE the holocaust. Thank Dog almighty, I am free at last!

 

[Uzzy]

Saggy and I win because we both speak the truth about the holocaust. In the end, the truth always wins.

Weren't you saying not too long ago that there was amble proof for the Holocaust, just not proof of gas chambers? How then can you ally yourself with Saggy, who thinks that no one died?

 

[Saggy]

Saggy, I think the discussion has devolved into simple denialism by the others. They are simply showing us the same pictures over and over again while ignoring the fact that these pictures show nothing.

Edited for civility and to remove breach of Rule 12.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

But, it's not an accident, it's by design ..... here is the sentence that got me interested in MK ....

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. "

To which one can only comment - bingo !

 

[Meadmaker]

You can expect pure idiocy from ... ME.

True.


(For the record, the above quote has been altered for humorous intent. It does not express the author's original intentions.)

 

[Meadmaker]

Edited by LashL: 

Removed quote of moderated content.

But, it's not an accident, it's by design ..... here is the sentence that got me interested in MK ....

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. "

To which one can only comment - bingo !

For those who did not realize who Saggy was quoting above, "MK" is "Mein Kampf". That's good old Adolf himself.

 

[Meadmaker]

Meadmaker is the only one of you who shows any inclination toward independent thought.

Thanks....I think. While I think that you are wrong about my fellow holocaust believers who all tow the party line on the subject, there is one area where I think there is some truth. There is one area where I deviate somewhat from the official narrative.

Most people have the sense that the Nazis hated Jews and that killing them was a part of the plan from the beginning. I doubt that is true. I don't think it is coincidence that Wannsee did not happen until after Germany started suffering military setbacks on the battlefield. As in other realms, the Jews were suddenly scapegoats. Germans really were dying, and the Nazi leadership, behind their confident exteriors, really were beginning to wonder what their future held. Bombing raids were killing Germans and making them homeless. Partisan attacks were threatening their overextended supply lines in Russia. War had disrupted the agricultural capacity, and food shortages and rationing were looming.

Of course, they couldn't admit to themselves that they had started a war in which their defeat was inevitable. Their had to be a cause, and they saw the number of people tied up guarding Jews in ghettos, and the amount of sabotage inflicted in the Ukraine, and generally the damage, very real damage, that Jews were inflicting on the German war effort, and they decided they had to do something about it.

Of course, the fact that they had already committed enough crimes to put their necks in a noose if they were to lose the war added a certain sense of urgency to the leadership's plans.

In other words, I think that the "final solution" really was a militarily expedient action, which differs somewhat from the way it is often seen.

Of course, surrender would have been a much more rational option, but they weren't all that rational.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I said there were no mass graves large enough to hold the number of bodies said to have been buried there. Stop pretending you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying.

No Dogzilla. Your exact words were "there's no evidence of any mass graves at all at Treblinka". So I am not stupid and you, sir, are backpeddling.

 

[uke2se]

So you are finally admitting that the gas chambers ARE the holocaust. Thank Dog almighty, I am free at last!

Uhm... no? I have no clue how you could come to that conclusion from reading my post, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given the way you normally interpret written text.

What I was saying was that you finally outed yourself as a pure bred holocaust denier, and not just someone who accepts the fact that the holocaust happened but has trouble with gas chambers.

 

[Hans]

Saggy, I think the discussion has devolved into simple denialism by the others. They are simply showing us the same pictures over and over again while ignoring the fact that these pictures show nothing.

Incorrect Dogzilla look at your 'evidence' what percentage of it ISN'T denial of supporting evidence? Be honest with yourself.

The people here are putting out evidence and you deny it.

I think in a few more days we'll put up THAT quote again - so you can deny it some more....LOL

 

[Dogzilla]

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. "

To which one can only comment - bingo !

I first saw this excerpt a while back. At the time, I had already been following the back and forths between believers and revisionists for several years. I was amazed to see such an eloquent description of exactly how a discussion with a holocaust believer is going to go.

Truly remarkable.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Saggy, I think the discussion has devolved into simple denialism by the others. They are simply showing us the same pictures over and over again while ignoring the fact that these pictures show nothing.

Rubbish. Nick has supplied direct sources that you won't read, the photos destroyed your earlier claims that there were no mass graves at all at Treblinka, you refuse to engaging conversation concerning the Hofle telegram, the Posen & other speeches,etc etc and you are now at the end of your crib-sheet of holocaust denier's arguments......so you are getting in bed with Saggy who doesn't share your views.

Do senior holocaust deniers write to you and ask you to stop damaging the cult's flimsy excuses for arguments? You are doing a great job in destroying the cult. Thank's for that.

( Do you agree with Saggy's views that no Jews were executed as the Holocaust is a international Jewish conspiracy that never happened? Where do you two holocaust deniers debate your views? CODOH, VHO. IHR? Can we have a look via a link to see "revisionism in action" )