Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Supernaut said:
He was recorded about a week after the murder telling someone that Amanda and Raff weren't at the cottage when someone (not him, no sir-ee) killed Meredith

Then, many months later he (presumably) underwent hypnotic regression and the terrible memories of that night came flooding back. Which was very convenient for Mignini et al, who showed their appreciation by cutting his sentence in half.
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There was no hypnotic suggestion; he said what he said fully conscious.

You are really fabricating baseless scenarios.
 
PDiGirolamo said:
But if it failed, they could just burn the video of it. If it succeeded, it might have make a huge difference. At the very least it could have made Massei's theory look stupid. For all we know, they tried, failed, and they pitched the taped evidence because it couldn't be used effectively in the defense.:nope:
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"For all we know".
Try sticking to known facts instead of making specious claims.
This claptrap can't possilby help the poor convicted murderer.
 
Stefanoni and the evidence collection

loverofzion said:
"Hardly ever changes gloves" Rose?
Whatever are you talking about?!

There are standards which were proven to have been rigorously adhered to.
There had NEVER been a single sinstance of contamination in this lab.

Stop spouting nonsensical wishful noise and get serious.
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loverofzion,

Upthread I linked to a series of still video images at injusticeinperugia that shows Dr. Stefanoni using the same pair of gloves on multiple evidence samples (one sees the same crease in the gloves the whole time). IIRC, Charlie has previously said that in watching hours of video, he has never seen someone changing gloves.

I think that the budget for gloves for the forensic police must be very small. I suggest that we start a fundraising drive. I wonder if they take PayPal.
 
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loverofzion said:
There was no hypnotic suggestion; he said what he said fully conscious.

You are really fabricating baseless scenarios.
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loverofzion,

There have been many questions and comments directed toward you in the last month or so, and virtually all of them have gone unansered. I would be grateful to you if you would tend to this unfinished business.

BTW, Rudy originally identified the stranger who allegedly killed Meredith as being left handed. Raffaele is right handed.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
You might want to review some of of the thinking required to reconcile the factual evidence with the verdict.

1. Yes, it's theoretically possible that someone could break a window from the inside and then spread the glass around the room to give the appearance of that a rock was pitched through the window from the outside. But there is no real reason to think that the rock was not, in fact, pitched from the outside.

2. Recent information has shown that a TMB test was performed on the luminol stains and was negative in every case. And so people got busy looking for research to prove that a false negative was possible with TMB.

3. The motivation summarizes the digestive contents. I posted what amounts to conventional thinking as to its significance, and your response was to track down research to show that such evidence can be misleading.

Do you see the pattern here? You're systematically rejecting the most likely explanation for the evidence in favor of a theoretical possibility that favors your bias.
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That is funny in a macabre way.
 
It's been a long while since I was here last. Does anybody know what happened to regular posters such as Fiona and Fulcanelli?

I don't know if this is of any help but in answer to the question

"not least the hilted bit about his "rich foster family"?"

I am sure that I read details about the foster family in "Darkness Descending" Were the writers wrong about this?
 
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Charlie, you must be confusing me with someone else. I don't believe that Rudy was recruited by the lovebirds to mistreat Meredith. I think the violence began with a flatmate dispute, and Rudy may have been the catalyst...either by having stolen the cash from Meredith's purse or maybe by just being there in the cottage, another "strange man," with Meredith, home alone, without Laura or Filomena, and without the presence of the boys downstairs.

I see no mystery in Rudy being there. It was a holiday. So was the next day, Friday. Either Amanda had invited him or he had invited himself, as the lovebirds met him as they strolled to the cottage. Or, perhaps, he had showed up at the cottage spontaneously. If Rudy had been the catalyst for the dispute, it's easy to see why he would become allied with the lovebirds in the dispute with Meredith. No recruitment necessary.

What is problematical is how the dispute escalated from a garden-variety shouting match---even shoving match---into use of lethal force, then murder. But isn't there the same problem with a LONEWOLF scenario? If Rudy was trapped when Meredith returned home, and so---some say--- needed the keys to exit the front door....wouldn't Meredith just give Rudy the damn keys??? Or, did Meredith insist that Rudy stay while she called the police??? Even in that unlikely situation, Rudy just takes the keys, using whatever force is necessary. No murder here. Or, if you wish, if entering through the window had been such a cake walk, why wouldn't he just leave in the same manner he'd entered? Was Rudy too lazy?

Either way--- a three suspects scenario or a LONEWOLF scenario--- something emotionally turbo-charged and highly unlikely happened that night which led to Meredith's death. We can say of either scenario: it don't make no sense. And it never will.
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Not so fast there. Let me list a few historical reasons for killing:

1.) Anger, as you say.
2.) To cover-up a crime (I don't want to go to jail)
3.) To punish a third party (see what you made me do?)
4.) Killing is fun (spectators at the Roman forum would either enjoy the sight of Christians being eaten alive by wolves or be themselves thrown to the wolves)
5.) To eat (cannibalism - like the Aztecs)
6.) Because death doesn't matter (psychopath)
7.) War
8.) Death penalty
9.) To scare others into being "good".
10.) Accident
11.) Revenge
12.) You hear voices that tell you to kill.

In this case, I believe that Guede's "motive" for killing was 2, 3, 4 or 6. But this is speculation as significant as that of the prosecution and their supporters.
 
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Rudy's foster father

colonelhall said:
It's been a long while since I was here last. Does anybody know what happened to regular posters such as Fiona and Fulcanelli?

I don't know if this is of any help but in answer to the question

"not least the hilted bit about his "rich foster family"?"

I am sure that I read details about the foster family in "Darkness Descending" Were the writers wrong about this?
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Colonelhall,

Rudy was indeed informally associated with a foster family. But his foster father came to see it as a mistake and described Rudy as a terrible liar.

Fulcanelli got himself suspended for several days, for abusive language, I believe. Fiona had good research skills, but her citations often meant something other than what she thought they did. She left voluntarily. That having been said, I would encourage them, and indeed lurkers from PMF, to come on in because the water is fine. The discussion would be more valuable with all points of view represented. Let’s have a civil competition among ideas.
 
Supernaut said:
He was recorded about a week after the murder telling someone that Amanda and Raff weren't at the cottage when someone (not him, no sir-ee) killed Meredith

Then, many months later he (presumably) underwent hypnotic regression and the terrible memories of that night came flooding back. Which was very convenient for Mignini et al, who showed their appreciation by cutting his sentence in half.
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By the way no one can by hypnotized against their will ; it is hardly likely Rudy would have agreed to "go under" if he were indeed guilty.
 
colonelhall said:
It's been a long while since I was here last. Does anybody know what happened to regular posters such as Fiona and Fulcanelli?

I don't know if this is of any help but in answer to the question

"not least the hilted bit about his "rich foster family"?"

I am sure that I read details about the foster family in "Darkness Descending" Were the writers wrong about this?
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No.
 
halides1 said:
loverofzion,

There have been many questions and comments directed toward you in the last month or so, and virtually all of them have gone unansered. I would be grateful to you if you would tend to this unfinished business.

BTW, Rudy originally identified the stranger who allegedly killed Meredith as being left handed. Raffaele is right handed.
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What is it you are asking me to answer?
 
halides1 said:
loverofzion,

Upthread I linked to a series of still video images at injusticeinperugia that shows Dr. Stefanoni using the same pair of gloves on multiple evidence samples (one sees the same crease in the gloves the whole time). IIRC, Charlie has previously said that in watching hours of video, he has never seen someone changing gloves.

I think that the budget for gloves for the forensic police must be very small. I suggest that we start a fundraising drive. I wonder if they take PayPal.
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Glad to hear your forensic experts are so well qualified.
 
gloves make the scientist

loverofzion said:
Glad to hear your forensic experts are so well qualified.
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I and others have documented that frequent glove changes are part of good forensic practice. If I had to choose between a person testifying that they used good practice and video evidence that indicated that they did not, I would choose the latter.
 
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advanced search option

loverofzion said:
What is it you are asking me to answer?
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I found more than half a dozen comments, including 5340 and 5448, when I tried the advanced search function here. I used halides1 as the user name, along with your name as the search term. You can try this with other people's usernames to see who else has directed comments toward you.
 
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Supernault, I hope that you are satisfied that Rudy did indeed come from a rich foster family. I don't think that anyone was "hinting" this to be the case. I thought that it had been well documented.

halides1: "But his foster father came to see it as a mistake and described Rudy as a terrible liar."

so I take it that he received no support from them. Do you know at which stage in his life the family wrote him off?
 
Supernaut said:
He was recorded about a week after the murder telling someone that Amanda and Raff weren't at the cottage when someone (not him, no sir-ee) killed Meredith

Then, many months later he (presumably) underwent hypnotic regression and the terrible memories of that night came flooding back. Which was very convenient for Mignini et al, who showed their appreciation by cutting his sentence in half.
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Hello Everyone,

I'm new here and reading up, though seeing this post by Supernaut, wanted to comment. Rudy's sentence was cut in half because he opted for the fast track trial, something neither Amanda nor Raffaele did. The sentence was cut in half upon appeal, which is likely what Biscotti hoped for and why he (some might say wisely) advised his client to go for the fast track. Note that had Amanda or Raffaele opted for the fast track trial, they too would have had their sentences reduced. I'm not saying I think it is right, but to imply Mignini et al gave Rudy a gift of appreciation is not factually correct.

Looking forward to being here, though by the amount of posts on a given day here, will have to spend much more time on the computer than I normally do!
 
halides1 I checked out one of your references and it refers to Amand's DNA on the blade. I can see your point.
What puzzles me, is how did Meredith's traces get on to the knife? When coupled with Sollecito's story about cutting her accidently, one has to surmise that he is as guilty as sin. If so, then Amanda must share this guilt.
I am sure that this has been discussed endlessly, during my absence, but I am sure that you can understand the majority of reasonably minded people thinking that the mos obvious conclusion is likely to be correct.
 
Maya C, Are they still discussing the old fast-track topic. I would have thought that had been well established.
 
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