NASA Engineer (ret.) is a Twoofie?

[BigAl]

You conradict yourself by saying that you don't know the organizational structure and then you say that he was living the corporate life.

Talk about making a distinction without a difference. What's the difference between a NASA Director and a Director at NASA?

What would you guys do without semantics?

I worked for a very big bank. We had 3 grades of employees that had "VP" for a title. Above us were a couple levels of "Senior VP". Below them were "officers".

I'd expect no less of NASA's "directors"

Someone at AE911TRUTH inflated Deet's title.

 

[RedIbis]

You are playing games here also Red. You know damn well the reason the distinction needs to be made is to counter the obvious appeal to authority being made by truthers, using the vagueness of the term to imply that this man was the director OF NASA.


TAM

You're the one being misleading. No one said he was the Director of NASA.

Mackey lied when he said, "Mr. Deets was not a NASA Director. He was not even close."

My bold to illustrate Mackey's intentional deception.

 

[TexasJack]

You're the one being misleading. No one said he was the Director of NASA.

Mackey lied when he said, "Mr. Deets was not a NASA Director. He was not even close."

My bold to illustrate Mackey's intentional deception.

You can call Mackey a liar if you wish Red, that's your opinion. Here is the difference between Mackey and Deets: Mackey has a technical paper on 9/11, Deets doesn't. So on 9/11, Mackey's opinion holds more weight than Deet's, and that's what's really important.

 

[RedIbis]

You can call Mackey a liar if you wish Red, that's your opinion. Here is the difference between Mackey and Deets: Mackey has a technical paper on 9/11, Deets doesn't. So on 9/11, Mackey's opinion holds more weight than Deet's, and that's what's really important.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Mackey clearly said that Deets wasn't a Director of any kind or even close.

NASA's own press release proves that Deets was a Director and that Mackey is clearly, intentionally lying.

I know you guys don't like to attack your own, but if this were reversed, you'd be howling and this thread would be littered with laughing dogs.

 

[tsig]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Mackey clearly said that Deets wasn't a Director of any kind or even close.

NASA's own press release proves that Deets was a Director and that Mackey is clearly, intentionally lying.

I know you guys don't like to attack your own, but if this were reversed, you'd be howling and this thread would be littered with laughing dogs.

Happy now?

 

[timhau]

It's so cute how Twoofers are so eager, to appeal to any "authority" they can find! No matter the level.

Yeah, and somehow they feel vindicated if they find one Twoofer engineer amongst the masses of engineers who think they're retarded.

 

[TexasJack]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Mackey clearly said that Deets wasn't a Director of any kind or even close.

NASA's own press release proves that Deets was a Director and that Mackey is clearly, intentionally lying.

I know you guys don't like to attack your own, but if this were reversed, you'd be howling and this thread would be littered with laughing dogs.

Are the only arguments you're going to make going to be logical fallacies? I love how you completely ignored the part about Deets not having any kind of technical paper on 9/11, and the fact that Mackey does.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

What would you guys do without semantics?

You are the one who is insisting on inflating Deets's position at NASA beyond what it really was.

 

[timhau]

What would you guys do without semantics?

We'd babble meaninglessly, like the Twoof movement.

 

[T.A.M.]

You're the one being misleading. No one said he was the Director of NASA.

Mackey lied when he said, "Mr. Deets was not a NASA Director. He was not even close."

My bold to illustrate Mackey's intentional deception.

SO when they speak of FEMA director, you do not think "The director of FEMA". Well very good of you, but I am telling you most people, when they see the words "NASA director" they will think THE DIRECTOR OF NASA, and as a result, without clarification, it is misleading terminology.

If you think the posters of this tidbit didn't intentionally leave it unexplained, then you are more naive or blind then I thought.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

Are the only arguments you're going to make going to be logical fallacies? I love how you completely ignored the part about Deets not having any kind of technical paper on 9/11, and the fact that Mackey does.

It would only be a logical fallacy if I said Deets' conclusions are correct because of his position. I didn't say that.

 

[RedIbis]

SO when they speak of FEMA director, you do not think "The director of FEMA". Well very good of you, but I am telling you most people, when they see the words "NASA director" they will think THE DIRECTOR OF NASA, and as a result, without clarification, it is misleading terminology.

If you think the posters of this tidbit didn't intentionally leave it unexplained, then you are more naive or blind then I thought.

TAM

If someone said a FEMA director, I'd assume there were more than one. That's how English works.

Is Mackey lying when he says that Deets was not a NASA Director? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[DGM]

It would only be a logical fallacy if I said Deets' conclusions are correct because of his position. I didn't say that.

So what's your point? Is this just a "gotcha" thing?


Has Deets produced any original work that has shown that 9/11 was an "inside job".


This is really getting more and more pointless by the day.

 

[Thunder]

folks who believe that fire cannot melt steel, do not belong at NASA.

they also don't deserve to have a degree in Engineering.

 

[RedIbis]

So what's your point? Is this just a "gotcha" thing?


Has Deets produced any original work that has shown that 9/11 was an "inside job".


This is really getting more and more pointless by the day.

Is that what you told Mackey when he was whining about Deets' creds?

Of course not. You guys hate to admit when one of your own is flat out wrong, beyond wrong, simply lying, probably out of jealousy.

 

[DGM]

Is that what you told Mackey when he was whining about Deets' creds?

Of course not. You guys hate to admit when one of your own is flat out wrong, beyond wrong, simply lying, probably out of jealousy.

I wasn't involved in the conversation. So this is really just a "pissing" contest.

So how does Deets' association with NASA matter? Has he actually contributed anything original?

 

[beachnut]

Is that what you told Mackey when he was whining about Deets' creds?

Of course not. You guys hate to admit when one of your own is flat out wrong, beyond wrong, simply lying, probably out of jealousy.

LOL, this is about 911 idiotic conspiracy theories, and Deets has them!

You are off on a tangent, like your obsession with Gravy. I don't consider Deets a Director, but he was called a director of his section. Deets is like a captain of a dingy, not the Captain of Ship. But go ahead miss the point, you can't save Deets from having moronic delusions, and you never have presented evidence to help 911 truth be anything more than a failed off topic mass of stupid.

Was Deets a director of a center? Have you worked for NASA? DoD?

The sad part is 911 truth thinks he is an expert and he fails with his idiotic statement. Deets is wrong, and you are left quibbling about his title not capable of understanding technical or scientific issues to know he is nuts.

A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow
The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?

Like CIT, Deets is wrong. Deets failed to do the research and opened his mouth and lies - he is retired, and he ram-dumped all his skills.

 

[T.A.M.]

If someone said a FEMA director, I'd assume there were more than one. That's how English works.

Is Mackey lying when he says that Deets was not a NASA Director? A simple yes or no will do.

Here is the quote I am referring to, from the linked article on page 4 of this thread.

Dwain Deets doesn’t think so, and the retired NASA director is determined to demonstrate that the official version of the events of 9/11 defies science.

Now that quote does not say a NASA director. It says "The retired NASA director".

However, for those who took the time, and can follow, it does explain later what he was director of.

TO be honest, I believe R.Mackey above a single news media report ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. If he says the report is a lie, then I believe him.

TAM

Edit: It would be interesting to see what Shane Cohn's source for Mr. Deets formerly held position is. I wonder if his source is not Deets himself. I wonder if Mr. Cohn verified that Deets held the position he states...I'm just asking questions.

 

[T.A.M.]

Asking this guy might help

Gray Creech
NASA Dryden public affairs

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

here is what PFT lists him as;

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/911_Aircraft_Speed_Deets.html

I wonder if Captain bob will convince him of his stuff...then Craig can convince him of North of Citgo.

TAM