Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

[bill smith]

The existence of a fake video does nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers go away.

You seem content to accept this as a faked video Al. Presumably faked by agents of the perps. What convinced you the most that it was a fake ?

 

[BigAl]

You seem content to accept this as a faked video Al. Presumably faked by agents of the perps. What convinced you the most that it was a fake ?

I don' care if it's fake or not. Either way, it does nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

 

[bill smith]

I don' care if it's fake or not. Either way, it does nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

Yes but if the government is faking videos is that not a sign of anything ?

 

[BigAl]

Yes but if the government is faking videos is that not a sign of anything ?

Fake or not, it does nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Yes but if the government is faking videos is that not a sign of anything ?

You mean how you Truthers fake or edit videos so you can pass them off as being the "truth"? That's a sign of despiration to tell lies & to promote the CTs in a sick & twisted way. You Truthers have a funny way of supporting the 9/11 Families, when you don't support them at all. One minute you're fighting for them, the next minute you're rediculing them as being part of the government & accuse them of being "Gov. Agents" or "plants".

 

[bill smith]

Fake or not, it does nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

Press your reset button Al- you've gone into a loop. lol

 

[MRC_Hans]

You seem content to accept this as a faked video Al. Presumably faked by agents of the perps. What convinced you the most that it was a fake ?

No, he just points out that it makes no difference.

The arguments for this and all the other videos being fake are utterly ridiculous. The mere amount of consistent footage and still photos obviously depicting exactly the same event from a multitude of angles, and having been published over a wide range of time from direct broadcasts to months later builds a very solid case for their authenticity.

It would be virtually impossible to fake them all, and it would be absolutely impossible without having to silence a large number of people, including reporters from numerous foreign media over whom US authorities have no power at all. And that means it is utterly impossible.

The planes were there. Live with it.

Hans

 

[bill smith]

Fake or not, it does nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

And think about this Al. If, as it seems you agree that the government is faking videos then presumably this is not the only one. Do you think the one I posted where the cameraman doesn't react is a fake too ? If you don't know which one I can post it again.

 

[MRC_Hans]

And think about this Al. If, as it seems you agree that the government is faking videos then presumably this is not the only one. Do you think the one I posted where the cameraman doesn't react is a fake too ? If you don't know which one I can post it again.

It does not seem that Al agrees to that. He just points out that it would make no difference.

Hans

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Yes but if the government is faking videos is that not a sign of anything ?

Perhaps a sign of duplication of effort. Making a fake video showing what actually happened seems wasteful even for a government project.

If the video were faked, why did the eyewitnesses see the same things? And if the video were faked, why do you assume the government was responsible? Also, who exactly do you mean by "the government"?

 

[BigAl]

And think about this Al. If, as it seems you agree that the government is faking videos then presumably this is not the only one. Do you think the one I posted where the cameraman doesn't react is a fake too ? If you don't know which one I can post it again.

Where did I express an opinion about who made a fake video, if it was fake?

One or a hundred fake videos do nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

 

[bill smith]

Where did I express an opinion about who made a fake video, if it was fake?

One or a hundred fake videos do nothing to make the massive amount of evidence we have for the fact that a 757 and a 767 jet were hijacked and flown into two WTC towers 9/11 go away.

If it can be shown that that video is a faithful reproduction of a MM broadcast on 9/11 then only the government or rather their catspaws in the media could have faked it.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

...only the government or rather their catspaws in the media could have faked it.

Are governments especially good at video editing?
Is everyone who's good at video editing a catspaw of their government?

 

[jammonius]

Anders, if you don't want to be a tin foil hatter, you need to acknowledge images like these, which show an aircraft wheel assembly embedded in a section of steel perimeter column.
You would also have to show us how else such an aircraft part could become embedded in a piece of WTC tower structure if not from impact with that section of tower moments before....
You will never be able to do that, of course. But the choice is yours whether you prefer to join the TFH crowd and their obsession with failed ideas.

[qimg]http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac206/alienentity1/WTC%20stuff/pict1.jpg[/qimg]

Shame on you, Alien, for seeking to foist off the above BS. I have already taken you to task for your misrepresentation in the Dick Oliver threads. The text contained in the tired photos from the NIST report that you post confirm that the photos do not contain authenticated aircraft parts from any airplane at all, let alone a jetliner, and still less a Boeing 767.

You are engaging in wanton misrepresentation, confirming, yet again, that the common storyline of 9/11 is false, fabricated and dependent upon manipulation in order to maintain its cover and facade.

Anders, I have elsewhere posted up what I consider to be the main sources of proof as it relates to proof of the NO PLANE claim.

Until recently, it had been claimed there were 43 video versions of that shadowy image, that I call "shadow thingy" hitting the WTC. Here is a link to a version of the ALL 43 videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc2tfVuaSrg

In this forum, a thread that resulted in more than 3800 posts was recently closed that dealt with the ALL43 video and with various aspects of the claim a jetliner hit the South Tower:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175654

In fact this current thread appears to have come along just after the prior one was closed, confirming ongoing NO PLANE interest. Chances are, the prior thread should not have been closed, or so it would appear.

For your reference, and for the benefit of this thread, let me here post, a good reference of the sources of proof of the NO PLANE claim:

You have no better or faster alternative other than that of reviewing the 60+ pages of the two Dick Oliver threads in this forum found at:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171082

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174043

Those threads deal with many of the witness accounts, as well as the valid video data and audio data.

You can also review the PAPD accounts can be found at:

http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.th...a-transcripts/

You should also take some time to familiarize yourself with the 503 Task Force Witness statements (which I claim is the single best source of witness accounts and a source that easily qualifies as valid evidence)

Those can be found at;

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html

Once again, the above link is your best source of eyewitness information, bar none.

I also suggest you avoid like the plague the jingoistic debunker websites that provide newspaper accounts and that ignore, completely, the fact that there are NO PLANE witnesses.

Another interesing source is the Ginny Carr audio:

http://www.sonicmemorial.org/sonic/public/archive.jsp

type in Ginny Carr

And the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuIAC...ayer_embedded#!

The title of the above video is Amateur Footage Pt. 2, but I call it CMs Video.

The additional video, making the ALL43 actually 44:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQl9hUC00k&feature=player_embedded

So, in review, you have (in order of importance, imho):

1--Task Force Witness Statements

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

2--1:16 Dick Oliver video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEmAWaKoYQ


3--10:00 Dick Oliver video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQMiAR3cYQ&feature=player_embedded

4--ALL 43 second hits video. And the All43 thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175654

The addition to the ALL 43, making 44 videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQl9hUC00k&feature=player_embedded

5--PAPD police reports

Main link: http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/

Reports:

http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports01.pdf

http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports02.pdf

http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports03.pdf

http://adam.pra.to/public/mir/www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports04.pdf

6--CMs Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuIAC...ayer_embedded#!

7--Ginny Carr audio

To the above, we can also add the NIST, NCSTAR series found at:

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/

The NCSTAR complilation consists in multiple parts, sub-parts and appendices, totally more than 10,000pgs of inconclusive, fraudulent BS. However, the fact that so much data was compile to basically not even deal with what actually happened to the Twin Towers simply confirms that there is no official explanation of what happened.

One can also pay passing attention to the 9/11 Commission Report, that I won't even provide a link for because that source is so stupidly false and fraudulent that it isn't even worth it.

Finally, while inconclusive and underfunded, the FEMA report is worth a glance:

http://www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/wtcstudy.shtm

We can add to this list some references to sources that debunkers like to refer to in support of their PLANE SPOTTER claim:

Ryan Mackey's slide show where he uses incomplete, simplistic assumptions to broadly support that jetliners could destroy the WTC, without in the least bit comparing his assumption riddled slide show with anything that was observed at the WTC. In the 46 slides relied on by Mackey, not a single one shows the WTC on 9/11. Not even one:

http://911myths.com/images/f/f0/911physics_big.pdf

By all means, do not let posters like, say, Alien, try to manipulate information. No planes hit the WTC on 9/11 and the evidence confirming that claim is overwhelming. In fact, the entire PSYOP depends almost solely upon teevee imagery that is blatantly false.

 

[BigAl]

I don't think the U.S. government was involved. It was a small shadowy part of the U.S. (and possibly also foreign) power structures who planned, staged and carried out the initial false flag operation. Very few people involved.

An estimated 70,000 people were involved directly in 9/11 either as first responders or in the investigation and clean-up tht followed.

The events were covered by thousands of reporters working for a hundreds unrelated news services from dozens of countries.

None of the workers and none of the reporters fault the massive news coverage of 9/11 and the days that followed.

None of them seem to have a problem with what they saw when compared to what the news coverage said.

All that news coverage exists in the archives of the NYC and Washington newspapers and tv stations.

 

[BigAl]

If it can be shown that that video is a faithful reproduction of a MM broadcast on 9/11 then only the government or rather their catspaws in the media could have faked it.

If.

 

[carlitos]

Those of us who don't type with two fingers and sound out each word expend a lot less energy than you'd think.

Ahem, people. Google is your friend. You're arguing with a no-planer who is pretending to be "new" to all of this, and surely that's simply not productive in the slightest.

Just saying.

12k posts over on Icke, a subtantial proportion of which appear to be "no plane". Not a good sign.

I have no clue frankly.

Good Lord.

Anders,

Just for the record, could you please give us your explanation for what happened on 11-September, 2001.

Here is a link to the proper thread.

Thank you.

 

[jammonius]

Hi jammonius,

I'm not much of a conspiracy theory researcher. In fact, I only look at interesting possibilities quite randomly. Do you want to discuss peak oil? Just kidding. But the point is that the theories about no planes is not something I have much knowledge about so I will not be able to defend this thread that well, so if you want to bring in some knowledge about the topic then that sounds like a good idea.

Greetings Anders,

Thanks for your reply. I will post as I can, but I do hope you will gain in your confidence in the accuracy of your own conlcusions, be they of the NO PLANE variety or be they of the PLANE SPOTTER variety. Just keep on looking, listening, researching and, above all, thinking.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

No planes hit the WTC on 9/11 and the evidence confirming that claim is overwhelming. In fact, the entire PSYOP depends almost solely upon teevee imagery that is blatantly false.

The evidence in this 2007 declassified document supports our evidence that DEW's don't exist:

www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA476320.pdf

And it also proves that planes hit the WTC because there's hundreds of videos showing the planes hit & there's thousands of witnesses that saw them hit.

If anything's false, it's that retarded DEW theory!

 

[fess]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman
Hi jammonius,

I'm not much of a conspiracy theory researcher. In fact, I only look at interesting possibilities quite randomly. Do you want to discuss peak oil? Just kidding. But the point is that the theories about no planes is not something I have much knowledge about so I will not be able to defend this thread that well, so if you want to bring in some knowledge about the topic then that sounds like a good idea.

Greetings Anders,

Thanks for your reply. I will post as I can, but I do hope you will gain in your confidence in the accuracy of your own conlcusions, be they of the NO PLANE variety or be they of the PLANE SPOTTER variety. Just keep on looking, listening, researching and, above all, thinking.

Anders;
Before you jump on the Jammonius bandwagon, notice he is asking you to do something he never does.