A Qur'an Got Burnt at 9/11 Mosque Protest

[Serafim Svensson]

I showed you one country. Now you need to do your homework.

I don't know why you refuse to provide links when it's fairly easy to find support for at least some of your claims. Like this study

Q27-F28: What do you personally feel about these goals? For each goal, please say whether you agree with it strongly, agree somewhat, disagree somewhat, or disagree strongly.
a. To require a strict application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country.
Egypt Indonesia Morocco Pakistan
Urban Rural All
Agree strongly........................................50% 17% 35% 54% 50% 52%
Agree somewhat......................................24 36 41 25 18 21
Disagree somewhat.................................11 25 10 7 5 6
Disagree strongly....................................11 15 9 1 1 1
Refused/Don’t Know................................4 7 6 13 26 19

 

[Serafim Svensson]

they Burned a book of one of their Prophets?

They should stop doing that or he may not come back to kill all the pigs

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

 

[A'isha]

I don't know why you refuse to provide links when it's fairly easy to find support for at least some of your claims. Like this study

The difference between Indonesia and the other three countries surveyed is rather striking. And incidentally shows how wrong timf1234 really is.

EDIT: Especially since Indonesia has the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.

 

[Newtons Bit]

I wholeheartedly agree that any organization expressing virulent anti-gay rhetoric should be labeled as extremist.

I concur.

 

[Serafim Svensson]

The difference between Indonesia and the other three countries surveyed is rather striking. And incidentally shows how wrong timf1234 really is.

EDIT: Especially since Indonesia has the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.

Well, I find it difficult to understand exactly what tim1234 is saying so I can't say if the difference between Indonesia and the other countries shows that he's wrong.

Anyway, 17% of the population of Indonesia agree strongly with the goal "to require a strict application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country". 36% agree somewhat. I find these numbers pretty alarming. Especially since Indonesia is not the largest but also one of the most moderate of the Muslim majority countries.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Well, I find it difficult to understand exactly what tim1234 is saying so I can't say if the difference between Indonesia and the other countries shows that he's wrong.

Anyway, 17% of the population of Indonesia agree strongly with the goal "to require a strict application of Shari’a law in every Islamic country". 36% agree somewhat. I find these numbers pretty alarming. Especially since Indonesia is not the largest but also one of the most moderate of the Muslim majority countries.

Did you catch the one where 82% of Indonesians agreed strongly (11% just agreed) that people should be allowed to worship as they please yet 3% agreed strongly (8% just agreed) that people should be allowed to try to convert people from other religions? Only 17% looked upon freedom of expression in the USA as favorable.

17% thought the USA was behind the 9/11 attacks, but interestingly, 43% said they didn't know or refused to answer. 15% share Al Qaeda's views on the USA and support the attacks.

Groups that use violence against civilians, such as al- Qaeda, are violating the principles of Islam. Islam opposes the use of such violence - 21% disagree.

When groups in the Muslim world attack American civilians they make Islam look bad: 28% disagree.

There are a zillion questions, and the responses are quite interesting. However, I don't know what I'm supposed to conclude about Indonesia.

 

[timf1234]

Islam Is winning

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...39872944767984-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwMDExNDAyWj.html


and

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/09/barking-up-wrong-tree.html

 

[DC]

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...39872944767984-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwMDExNDAyWj.html


and

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/09/barking-up-wrong-tree.html

Islam is winning or bigotry and racism in the Netherlands is not accepted?

 

[kerikiwi]

Did you catch the one where 82% of Indonesians agreed strongly (11% just agreed) that people should be allowed to worship as they please yet 3% agreed strongly (8% just agreed) that people should be allowed to try to convert people from other religions?

I don't see the two as mutually contradictory: I would strongly agree with both.
And if a third were added, asking whether people should ditch religion altogether, I would agree strongly with that too.

 

[ddt]

http://online.wsj.com/article_email...39872944767984-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwMDExNDAyWj.html

The thread about Wilders' trial is that way. Maybe you should read that thread first before you just posit Ms. Ali's article. There's a lot factually wrong with it. For one thing that caught my eye, Wilders is not on trial for blasphemy. Ms. Ali even cites the articles Wilders is on trial for, 137c and 137d of the Dutch penal code, while the blasphemy article is 147. Fail.

ETA: and this quote:

The supposed victims of Dutch discrimination were now a force to reckon with. Thus, major parties including Labor and the Christian Democrats—dominant since World War II—now support policies like increased immigration from Muslim countries and welfare benefits for Muslim voters. And they turn a blind eye to the implementation of informal Shariah law, particularly concerning the treatment of women.

Have you got any evidence for either of those two claims?

As for the first, the parties mentioned are PvdA and CDA. Show me the pages where they support those policies.
Hint: immigration laws or welfare benefits that discriminate on basis of religion are as forbidden in the Netherlands as in the US.

As for the second, see the discussion about introduction of Sharia earlier in this thread.

No evidence? I thought so. Ms. Ali, a former Dutch MP, is spreading lies and she undoubtedly is acutely aware of that.

 

[timf1234]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/42158/pakistan’s-human-cockroaches/

 

[A'isha]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/42158/pakistan’s-human-cockroaches/

You missed the entire point of Zaka's article, I see. He's not pointing out a problem with Islam, but a problem with Pakistan.

This article from the same Express Tribune website goes into more detail, being written in response to criticism of Zaka's article (and a similar one written by Pakistani journalist George Fulton, which makes it clear that at least part of the problem with Pakistan exemplified by the Sialkot murders is that it doesn't reflect Islamic values).