Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

[fitzgibbon]

But what was the cameraman concentrating so hard on ? WTC1 from that distance ? If the Truth be told it looked like he was filming the impact-point-to-be in WTC2.

What do you think Anders ?

Most cameramen of my acquaintance shoot with both eyes open: right eye concentrating on the viewfinder image, left eye for anything that might be out-of-frame but maybe of interest. To anyone with even a scintilla of broadcast camera experience, it really isn't all that strange that he was able to do a whip-pan in time.

But then again, neither of you have have a scintilla of broadcast camera experience between you so this is just something else to deny and deflect.

 

[Anders Lindman]

And how large do you think that monitor would be? And just how close to the host do you think it might be? And would the director or producer likely be talking to her through her IFB?

Do you have any concept of just how many things would have been going on in the studio at that moment and how minor an oversight such as you're jumping up and down on actually is?


No...probably not now nor ever.

This video shows a TV studio where they have large screens. Looks like something newer than back in 2001 but it would have been similar, no? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgg4pNO--U

 

[Anders Lindman]

How is that at all relevant?

Because if most victims on the passenger lists were Americans, then to verify that you would have to go and check all their gravestones and match the gravestones against all the people on the passenger lists, and that's easier to do if you already live in the U.S.

 

[leftysergeant]

Why didn't the man in the white uniform react to a roaring jet flying over them at very low altitude and incredible speed?

[qimg]http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3331/95680511.jpg[/qimg]

Well, you might look at the picture and realize that the fire fighter who is looking at the plane was already facing in a direction that would have allowed him to see and hear it. Pfeifer was facing away from the plane. The sound would, at that location, have echoed off buildings in his line of sight. This is a natural occurrance in an urban canyon like that. He did turn and look when he saw other people who had seen the plane turn to face the towers.

The camera man was facing roughly in the right direction as well, so he had an easier time tracking where the plane might be next.

You got balloon juice.

 

[excaza]

Because if most victims on the passenger lists were Americans, then to verify that you would have to go and check all their gravestones and match the gravestones against all the people on the passenger lists, and that's easier to do if you already live in the U.S.

A gravestone is all you need to ensure someone existed/died/is buried there? You're a lot simpler than I thought.

 

[Anders Lindman]

A gravestone is all you need to ensure someone existed/died/is buried there? You're a lot simpler than I thought.

It's a start. Provided that people who's bodies have disappeared get a grave stone.

 

[fitzgibbon]

Looks like something newer than back in 2001 but it would have been similar, no?

No. Not even in the ballpark.

Standard would've been a 30" or so CRT located somewhere around 15' or more away from the talent. And that doesn't include the distraction factor of the director or producer talking to them at the same time as they're talking to the world.

You're hanging onto this demented notion like a limpet, aren't you?

 

[excaza]

So you're not even going to bother looking to see if there's any remains? You're not a very good investigator.

 

[PS13]

Anders-

I've looked at a few of your prior posts & read this entire thread. I really think that you are just here putting everyone on. You're acting / trolling for attention.

The only reason you post here is to get a rise from people... Admit it please.

 

[excaza]

We're supposed to take him seriously?

 

[bill smith]

Most cameramen of my acquaintance shoot with both eyes open: right eye concentrating on the viewfinder image, left eye for anything that might be out-of-frame but maybe of interest. To anyone with even a scintilla of broadcast camera experience, it really isn't all that strange that he was able to do a whip-pan in time.

But then again, neither of you have have a scintilla of broadcast camera experience between you so this is just something else to deny and deflect.

Have a look at this though....And am I imagining things or does the camera go to into steady-shot mode a few seconds before the plane arrives at 46 seconds ?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19527&d=1285019167

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6354641&postcount=78 hyperlink

 

[Anders Lindman]

Anders-

I've looked at a few of your prior posts & read this entire thread. I really think that you are just here putting everyone on. You're acting / trolling for attention.

The only reason you post here is to get a rise from people... Admit it please.

No, I actually wanted some feedback on these things. I myself thought of the no plane theories as tinfoil hat stuff, but when I looked at it more closely it's quite possible imo. Possible, but is it probable? And if it's probable are there any hard facts to support it?

 

[alienentity]

No, I actually wanted some feedback on these things. I myself thought of the no plane theories as tinfoil hat stuff, but when I looked at it more closely it's quite possible imo. Possible, but is it probable? And if it's probable are there any hard facts to support it?

Anders, it IS tinfoil hat stuff, your initial impressions were correct. What you haven't yet realized is that you're a tin foil hatter.

To your credit you aren't as far off the deep-end as Jammonius is.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So answer my questions, asked several times. If the aircraft didn't crash into the towers what happened to them? What happened tothe passengers and crew?

Where are the aircraft now? They existed before the crashes. If they didn't then the manufacturers, parts contract companies, service companies, airlines, all the airports that they flew out of and all the pilots that have flown them since they were new must be in on it.
There is a trail of documentation for these aircraft going right back to their manufacture.

These things are tightly regulated.

Where are they now?
Where are the people that flew on them that day?

If they don't exist how come parts of the aircraft and remains of the passengers and crew were recovered from the sites?

Are all the people claiming to be family, friends and work colleagues of the passengers and crew in on it as well?

 

[T.A.M.]

No, I actually wanted some feedback on these things. I myself thought of the no plane theories as tinfoil hat stuff, but when I looked at it more closely it's quite possible imo. Possible, but is it probable? And if it's probable are there any hard facts to support it?

ok, so you think it is possible, but not probable, and not much hard evidence for it. I disagree, but if I allow you that, simply take the occam's razor approach (look it up), and you have your answer.

TAM

 

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, it IS tinfoil hat stuff, your initial impressions were correct. What you haven't yet realized is that you're a tin foil hatter.

To your credit you aren't as far off the deep-end as Jammonius is.

But there are hard facts that make the official story potentially incorrect. For example, in this simulation all the concrete has been removed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8

And when adding concrete to the core, there would have been a very different simulation result.

 

[T.A.M.]

why would you add concrete to the core?

TAM

 

[jammonius]

no planes, huh?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=492&pictureid=3731[/qimg]

Thunder,

You are taking undo advantage of the OP by posting up false, doctored, unconfirmed imagery. Even by looking at the image you posted, one cannot ascertain what it is, where it is, why it is there and so on.

Do better

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I'm really curious what leads to this sort of revisionist history stuff. People seem eager to rewrite history even if the premise behind it is utterly bizarre :\
All I can say is if anybody wanted to even try faking video they made an epic failure of figuring out that the actual plane crashes were "unfakable" and witnesses by people right there.

 

[excaza]

Thunder,

You are taking undo advantage of the OP by posting up false, doctored, unconfirmed imagery. Even by looking at the image you posted, one cannot ascertain what it is, where it is, why it is there and so on.

Do better

Ok, let us list all the possible things it could be:

• Part of an aircraft fuselage
• ...