Holocaust deniers, explain this.

[Dogzilla]

Apart from this one they are standing in?
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

Do the math. The total volume of the mass graves divided by the number bodies. To make the calculation easier:
1) Don't make allowances for the sloping sides that are necessary for a pit that large.
2) Don't make allowances for the layer of sand or chlorine that covered each layer of bodies.
3) Ignore the witness testimony that speaks of a layer of earth covering the entire mass grave.

Do this just for Treblinka. You'll get a body density that is tighter than any mass grave ever discovered. Then remember the sloping sides and the filler material and you'll see just how stupid the whole story sounds.

Go ahead. Do the math. Tell us what you get for an answer.

How come you don't mention the human ash at Treblinka? Is that against holocaust denial policy guidelines?

Uh....because there isn't any? Here's a question that will test Believer knowledge of the physical universe and it's interplay with the holocaust narrative. When bodies are incinerated/cremated/set on fire, how much "human ash" remains if the body is completely incinerated? What does it look like? Show me on the photograph where you see the human ash. How do you know it's human ash?

 

[Meadmaker]

I know this is an internet forum, not a scholarly journal. I don't expect people here to adhere to the strict academic standards I would expect from university professors.

This is a very good point. Maybe we should find some university professors' writings on the subject of Nazi policies toward the Jews and see if they think the Nazis had a policy of extermination.

 

[Dogzilla]

This is a very good point. Maybe we should find some university professors' writings on the subject of Nazi policies toward the Jews and see if they think the Nazis had a policy of extermination.

I don't think finding a bunch of university professors who agree with the standard narrative will prove much. If I jumped off a cliff because 99.9% of the college professors told me to I wouldn't be posting here.

 

[Meadmaker]

I don't think finding a bunch of university professors who agree with the standard narrative will prove much. If I jumped off a cliff because 99.9% of the college professors told me to I wouldn't be posting here.

Oddly, I don't recall any of my professors recommending that I jump off of cliffs.

I know you don't believe all that stuff that them darned professors yap on about, but many of them have actually studied the things about which they speak. It's odd that so many of them appear to have been fooled by this whole holocaust story.

I suspect some of them may even have some good recommendations on how you might dispose of large quantities of bodies.

 

[Meadmaker]

Do the math. The total volume of the mass graves divided by the number bodies.

This would be relevant, if anyone believed that all the bodies were in mass graves. Since no one believes that, what is the point of this exercise?

 

[eerok]

How come you don't mention the human ash at Treblinka? Is that against holocaust denial policy guidelines?

Uh....because there isn't any? Here's a question that will test Believer knowledge of the physical universe and it's interplay with the holocaust narrative. When bodies are incinerated/cremated/set on fire, how much "human ash" remains if the body is completely incinerated? What does it look like? Show me on the photograph where you see the human ash. How do you know it's human ash?

"No human ash identified at Treblinka" is a lie according to forensic tests performed by the Polish investigations. Where does that leave your argument? Flapping in the wind like the rest of your interminable hand-waving.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

there's no evidence of any mass graves at all at Treblinka

Apart from this one they are standing in?
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

Do the math.

I have. You said "there's no evidence of any mass grave at Treblinka". I have produced a photo of a mass grave at Treblinka destroying your statement. Because you are a holocaust denier you are trying to change your claim and lack of basic knowledge about Treblinka.

The total volume of the mass graves divided by the number bodies. To make the calculation easier:

"Human Ash". Please read the Polish report so you don't look so stupid all the time. You are wasting our time with your ongoing errors. You probably believe Richard Krege wrote a report!

When bodies are incinerated/cremated/set on fire, how much "human ash" remains if the body is completely incinerated? What does it look like? Show me on the photograph where you see the human ash. How do you know it's human ash?

Read the Polish report so you can directly quote "human tissue and ash" from the commission. This will save time. We call this research. You should give it a go!

 

[Meadmaker]

Do the math. The total volume of the mass graves divided by the number bodies. To make the calculation easier:
...
Do this just for Treblinka. You'll get a body density that is tighter than any mass grave ever discovered. Then remember the sloping sides and the filler material and you'll see just how stupid the whole story sounds.

Go ahead. Do the math. Tell us what you get for an answer.

Well, this is getting a bit tedious, but the above does seem to be the whole of the argument on which dogzilla rests his case. He just can't accept that it is possible to dispose of so many bodies. It is possible, and an awful lot of people have presented an awful lot of evidence to demonstrate that it is possible, but dogzilla doesn't believe it.

It's a level of arrogance that is rarely encountered, at least outside of CT circles. Arguments from personal incredulity trump all scholarship on the issue. His whole argument is, "I don't believe it and you can't make me believe it. I don't think it is possible so it doesn't matter what you show me."

There's a tiny bit more to it than that. Some people have given accounts in which they describe the size of a room and the number of people that were inside of it, and dogzilla does the math and comes up with an implausible number of Jews per square foot and concludes the whole story makes no sense, instead of concluding that maybe the witness didn't take a tape measure with him to measure the size of a gas chamber.

Dogzilla takes his camera to Auschwitz and can't come up with any explanation other than groundwater seepage for water in a ditch, and concludes that it cannot be near a mass grave. Dogzilla sees marks on a wall and concludes a room cannot be a gas chamber. Dogzilla hears that the sonderkommando used wooden crashers to grind up bones, conjures up a picture of elves with mallets, and concludes that it could not have happened.

Never mind that all of these things have been seen by thousands, probably millions, of other people, including historians, academics, building tradesmen, prosecutors, funeral directors and all sorts of others from all walks of life who don't have eyes as keen as dogzilla. He can see past the official story. All those others either aren't as observant, or maybe they've just had the wool pulled over their eyes.

You don't believe in God? How can that be, because there cannot possibly be a natural explanation for how such powers of logic and observation could be combined in a single human mind. Surely these gifts, beyond the powers of so many others, are a result of divine providence.

Or, maybe, just maybe, the rest of the world isn't as dumb as you think.

 

[Hans]

Dogzilla as noted in other threads has been reduced to the last technique of deniers - pure denialism

Talking to a taco would be more productive - LOL

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Dogzilla as noted in other threads has been reduced to the last technique of deniers - pure denialism

Talking to a taco would be more productive - LOL

I agree however it is interesting to see how they obtain their information and present their arguments. If you take the view that the holocaust denial cult is winding down then there should be less "revisionists" arguing against more recent discoveries like the Hofle Telegram. As the cult leaders had no homogenous view it would seem logical that as less "revisionists" contribute the movement will fragment even further, as newbie deniers follow fewer individual "revisionist's" theories.

I wasn't alive to see the end of the "Flat Earth" cult but I am probably soon going to see the end of the holocaust denial cult. How will it end? Will it simply fragment into new smaller sub cults? Who knows? It is somewhat interesting to observe.

 

[Hans]

I would suspect that holocaust denial is dying away but a hard core will persist for many generations, fragmented, marginalized and a focus for those who are hard of thinking

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I would suspect that holocaust denial is dying away but a hard core will persist for many generations, fragmented, marginalized and a focus for those who are hard of thinking

Yes, I think you are right. There is still a "Flat Earth Society" today although I can never work out if it is serious or tongue in cheek.
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

 

[Hans]

I forgot to add that since all this Holocaust denial is a way to attack Isreal and Jews it will be around for a long, long time.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I forgot to add that since all this Holocaust denial is a way to attack Israel and Jews it will be around for a long, long time.

I guess so. In that case we should cross our fingers that a just solution is made concerning the new Palestinian state as soon as possible. It will calm the middle east and put another nail in the holocaust denial cult.

 

[Hans]

I've lived in the ME for many years - even the creation of the 2nd state will, unfortunately, not bring peace - at least for many generations. Anti Semitism will exist for a long time as radicals on both sides will not accept the solution.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I don't think finding a bunch of university professors who agree with the standard narrative will prove much. If I jumped off a cliff because 99.9% of the college professors told me to I wouldn't be posting here.

Do you fly your own multi-engined passenger aircraft when you travel? Or do you leave that to someone who has studied to the matter?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I've lived in the ME for many years - even the creation of the 2nd state will, unfortunately, not bring peace - at least for many generations. Anti Semitism will exist for a long time as radicals on both sides will not accept the solution.

OK fair enough. I guess the "Real IRA" is still causing problems although former members of the IRA are doing good things now in partnership with old enemies. I take your point on board.

 

[Hans]

Do you fly your own multi-engined passenger aircraft when you travel? Or do you leave that to someone who has studied to the matter?

For Dogzilla

Yes all the experts are wrong - but guess what if you can find the 'missing mass' of Jews and other people who were exterminated you'd be a famous man and could rub the noses of all those 'experts' in your expertise so why don't you do that?

Oh right denial is easier than actual research and action.........LOL

Actually Dogzilla aren't you just following what you've been told to believe by denier books and websites? Are you not one of those followers you think are fools?


LOL with a cherry on top

 

[Dogzilla]

"No human ash identified at Treblinka" is a lie according to forensic tests performed by the Polish investigations. Where does that leave your argument? Flapping in the wind like the rest of your interminable hand-waving.

That's a link to a blog. How about a link to the report? What does this blog synopsis of the reports tell us? Well they found some artifacts. They found some soil that appeared to be mixed with some ash and some human remains. They found somebody had set off some bombs. So what?

I've done a better job of proving the United States exterminated the Japanese on the West Coast during WWII, that Eisenhower exterminated the Germans after WWII, and that the British instigated a policy of exterminating the inhabitants of North America using biological WMDs.

Since you're so familiar with this report, tell me this: How many mass graves did they find? How big were they, length, width and most importantly, depth?

 

[Hans]

I've done a better job of proving the United States exterminated the Japanese on the West Coast during WWII, that Eisenhower exterminated the Germans after WWII, and that the British instigated a policy of exterminating the inhabitants of North America using biological WMDs.

Unfortunately for your sparkling logic and demonstration of intellectual capacity we know those things didn't happen....only you seem to think you did?