Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

Java Man said:
Yes, making them unusable, but not vaporizing them. Since there was no thermite used then normal fires would not have been capable of "vaporizing" the blackbox. A beam would have made one great waffle out of it, but nothing more. The black boxes were not recovered in an unusable state. They were not recovered, period.
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Who said they vaporized?

Crushed, bashed to pieces, then burned for months on end, and you expect it to survive? Holy ****** ****. You really are gulliable.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Well, the engine looks way too small to me. I haven't checked what the official report says about the engine. And I'm not going to research it.
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There you go, the hat trick of "It doesn't jive with my uneducated guess so therefore it must be planted/faked". We should have a trophy to give you or something, but alas...

TAM:)
 
Anders Lindman said:
Well, the engine looks way too small to me. I haven't checked what the official report says about the engine. And I'm not going to research it.
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Your Mark I eyeball aint calibrated for that kind opf measurement. Rember that it has lost all the vanes from the rotor (normal for a high-speed accident) and been squished longitudinally on impact with the ground. You can see that it took a very steep course to the ground from the pictures just after impact.
 
T.A.M. said:
well we have fire fighters posting on this very thread. Ask them if they could tell the difference between an explosion made by an explosive, and one made by an exploding aeresol container, or transformer, or an elevator crashing, unless they were within a few yards of it (in which case, if it was an explosive, the would not be alive to recall it for you later).

TAM:)
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TAM,

Some firefighters may have received specialized training to recognize bomb incidents. Not many, and they are usually the higher brass, and investigators.

However, most would not be able to tell the difference from a distance. If they were close enough to see the explosion, or see the immediate effects, possibly. But, as you said, if they could tell it was a HE, they most likely wouldn't be alive.

I can tell the difference, but only because I spent some time hearing **** blow up all the time. The military loves to blow **** up.
 
Java Man said:
What fire in what pile? Was it a 16 acre fire? Like a bush fire, but on concrete?
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At this point, you are right, there is no proof that specifically the black box was burned at all.

However, given the amount fire involved, and the fact that it was not recovered, its exposure to fire is certainly more likely then it having been found and not reported. Or are you a no-planer...I can't remember.

Even if it was not exposed to a fire (which I would guess it was), there was more then enough potential for destruction beyond identification from the collapse alone.

TAM:)
 
Java Man said:
What fire in what pile? Was it a 16 acre fire? Like a bush fire, but on concrete?
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How can someone so ignorant of something as basic as the WTC time line and fire be so opinionated about what did or didn't happen?
 
triforcharity said:
I can tell the difference, but only because I spent some time hearing **** blow up all the time. The military loves to blow **** up.
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While I was at Pope AFB, I occassionally took a crash truck over Ft Bragg to cover a joint fire power demonstration. A 155mm round at half a mile is about as loud as a typical gas tank cook-off across the street and still delivers a bit of a shock wave.

As I have said before, twoofers need to take off their parochial goggles and look around them more. They are short some life experiences to assess what they are seeing.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Well, the engine looks way too small to me. I haven't checked what the official report says about the engine. And I'm not going to research it.
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So you're a troll. In the last ten minutes I've done more research than you ever will.

I hope you're not planning on reproducing.
 
triforcharity said:
...I can tell the difference, but only because I spent some time hearing **** blow up all the time. The military loves to blow **** up.
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Once heard, never forgotten. Nothing like a bit of military engineer training. Makes a laugh of all these folk arguing about "explosion noises" when they clearly haven't a clue.
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leftysergeant said:
While I was at Pope AFB, I occassionally took a crash truck over Ft Bragg to cover a joint fire power demonstration. A 155mm round at half a mile is about as loud as a typical gas tank cook-off across the street and still delivers a bit of a shock wave.

As I have said before, twoofers need to take off their parochial goggles their head out of Jones, Jones, and Gage's ass and look around them more. They are short some life experiences to assess what they are seeing.
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Ftfy! :D
 
Yes,

WHat I find telling is that McQueen never did bother to do any REAL research and follow up with his alleged "Explosion" First Responders to see (A) if they could tell what caused the explosion, or (B) did they have the training to differentiate.

That would require real work, and likely would have put a serious smack down to his truther loved paper.

TAM:)
 
leftysergeant said:
While I was at Pope AFB, I occassionally took a crash truck over Ft Bragg to cover a joint fire power demonstration. A 155mm round at half a mile is about as loud as a typical gas tank cook-off across the street and still delivers a bit of a shock wave.

As I have said before, twoofers need to take off their parochial goggles and look around them more. They are short some life experiences to assess what they are seeing.
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The common camp trick was the "Sappers Reveille" - a length of det cord in the tent lines at about 0300.
 
BigAl said:
How can someone so ignorant of something as basic as the WTC time line and fire be so opinionated about what did or didn't happen?
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Well I'm confused. There's a fire. There's a 16 acre debris field and then there's the thing about not falling into its footprint. Which is it?
 
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