Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

[ergo]

No they are not. They are based on Emergency Room Visits. You are mistaking the word MORBIDITY (injury/disease) for MORTALITY (Death).

Oops. So I am.

Do they mention the actual numbers, though? I don't see that anywhere. They mention 5 fatalities. And 3% multiple trauma, which could mean many things, including blast injuries.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Neither a 767 or 757 has three engines. You can't even get basic details correct and you want to argue whether or not WTC was a CD?

I don't know how old you are or if your mom knows you are playing on her computer...but stop trolling the boards with this crap. Go over to LCF if you want acceptance...you're not going to get it here.

I'm not talking about 6 engines. I'm talking about the 4 engines that should have been found from the two 'plane' impacts into the WTC towers. They found only one, which not even was of the correct type.

 

[Java Man]

I don't recall off the top of my head, but I am sure your truther friends have a compiled list...it is irrelevent, as the buildings were losing their structural integrity, losing/lost their electrical, and had bodies, and elevators, etc...falling, so it wouldn't surprise me or be suspicious (to me) if anyone, anywhere in the building, reported a loud bang that they describe as an "explosion".

TAM

Who reported them?

 

[excaza]

I'm not talking about 6 engines. I'm talking about the 4 engines that should have been found from the two 'plane' impacts into the WTC towers. They found only one, which not even was of the correct type.

They didn't find a lot of people parts either, all those people must have been fake as well.

 

[AaronMic22]

They didn't find a lot of people parts either, all those people must have been fake as well.

Don't give them ideas.

 

[ergo]

Who reported them?

Java Man, we've spent the last ten pages arguing about this.

 

[BigAl]

Where were those explosions reported? Lower floors, basement, upper floors? Where?

Loud noises were heard widely after the plane crash before the collapse. Lots of firemen heard them.

On the 56th floor, an architect believes the building was failing structurally. Architect Bob Shelton had his foot in a cast; he'd broken it falling off a curb two weeks ago. He heard the explosion of the first plane hitting the north tower from his 56th-floor office in the south tower. As he made his way down the stairwell, his building came under attack as well. "You could hear the building cracking. It sounded like when you have a bunch of spaghetti, and you break it in half to boil it." Shelton knew that what he was hearing was bad. "It was structural failure," Shelton says. "Once a building like that is off center, that's it."
http://911stories.googlepages.com/accountsoftowerstructuralinstabilityande

 

[Java Man]

I'm not talking about 6 engines. I'm talking about the 4 engines that should have been found from the two 'plane' impacts into the WTC towers. They found only one, which not even was of the correct type.

That engine was in the airplane's cargo hold as part of a shipment. The other four engines were vaporized by the fuel explosion and the ensuring fire that brought down the towers. The turbines were crushed to dust by the enormous collapse of the towers on top of them and no amount of trained dogs and personnel ever found them or any trail of them, so neither would you if you tried.

Not that it matters much because we all know that terrorist flew two airplanes into the towers causing massive damage and death. There were no explosions and the buildings didn't fall on their footprint.


How am I doing guys? Getting better? Will you let me into the club now?

 

[T.A.M.]

Oops. So I am.

Do they mention the actual numbers, though? I don't see that anywhere. They mention 5 fatalities. And 3% multiple trauma, which could mean many things, including blast injuries.

you are correct, and I did say I would like to see the numbers. As I said, these abstract quotes do not RULE OUT barotrauma, but if there was any it either went (A) unreported (highly unlikely) or (B) was not significant enough to include in the results summary (which is why I would like to see the actual reports).

the 3% multiple trauma, likely refers to more then one injury in a person (like a broken arm and a corneal abrasion). The multiple traumas would have been included in the % of other injuries mentioned in the results. For instance, a multiple trauma of arm laceration and corneal abrasion would have been reported AS BOTH a laceration AND a corneal abrasion.

Elmondohummus had a link to a much better report that actually gave, IIRC, the actual # of reported injuries...

TAM

 

[Java Man]

What would be louder the explosion of CD charges or the impacting airplane?

 

[T.A.M.]

Who reported them?

Fire Fighters, Occupants who survived...Stop playing ignorant on this. You know damn well the list (you guys compiled it) of survivors and first responders reporting them.

Oh, and don't come back with the all to predictible, "well Firefighters would know the difference between and explosive explosion and anything else", as it is complete BS.

TAM

 

[excaza]

They have engine sniffing dogs? Sign me up!

 

[Anders Lindman]

They didn't find a lot of people parts either, all those people must have been fake as well.

Jet engines and black boxes are very sturdy objects. They found no black boxes and only one of the four jet engines, and the engine they found was not even of the correct type. Clearly planted, on the street some blocks away from ground zero.

 

[ergo]

This is the link of eyewitness testimonials regarding explosions.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

 

[T.A.M.]

What would be louder the explosion of CD charges or the impacting airplane?

SO the CD charges were detonated at Impact, AND THEN the building stayed up for another hour?

Please clarify (or give it a try at least).

TAM

 

[Java Man]

Oh, and don't come back with the all to predictible, "well Firefighters would know the difference between and explosive explosion and anything else", as it is complete BS.

Is it? I thought that was your line. With all the trained dogs and personnel that never heard or smelled anything.

So according to you they would NOT have been able to know the difference? So they'd be like any other average Joe on the street that day.

 

[triforcharity]

Jet engines and black boxes are very sturdy objects. They found no black boxes and only one of the four jet engines, and the engine they found was not even of the correct type. Clearly planted, on the street some blocks away from ground zero.

How long should the black boxes have stood up to the fires? What is your guess?

(PS, I know the answer already)

 

[T.A.M.]

Jet engines and black boxes are very sturdy objects. They found no black boxes and only one of the four jet engines, and the engine they found was not even of the correct type. Clearly planted, on the street some blocks away from ground zero.

this is laughable. Appeal to your own demented opinion and nothing more, noted.

TAM

 

[Java Man]

SO the CD charges were detonated at Impact, AND THEN the building stayed up for another hour?
TAM

Are you nuts? What type of lunatic speculation is that?

All I'm trying to establish if that blasts in the same region would have been heard the same from the ground below. Yes or no. And if not would it then have been louder or not. That is all. Where did you come up with the synchronized detonation idea?

 

[T.A.M.]

Is it? I thought that was your line. With all the trained dogs and personnel that never heard or smelled anything.

So according to you they would NOT have been able to know the difference? So they'd be like any other average Joe on the street that day.

well we have fire fighters posting on this very thread. Ask them if they could tell the difference between an explosion made by an explosive, and one made by an exploding aeresol container, or transformer, or an elevator crashing, unless they were within a few yards of it (in which case, if it was an explosive, the would not be alive to recall it for you later).

TAM