Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

No, I'm waiting for Al to answer my questions in posts 523 and 526.
 
I'm going to state it again, with a slight change:

I would guess Al really doesn't know much about the sound dynamics of different kinds of detonations.
 
ergo said:
No, I'm waiting for Al to answer my questions in posts 523 and 526.
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523- Yes, as the energy of even 100 gallons of jet fuel is very much capable.

526 - Yes, there are lots of reports of explosions. Absolutely. No one denies that. Can you name some of the things that go boom in a fire?

There are many of them. All would have been found in abundance in the WTC towers.

Now, how big is a 50 ton hydraulic press?
 
ergo said:
I'm going to state it again, with a slight change:

I would guess Al really doesn't know much about the sound dynamics of different kinds of detonations.
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Which would make you even LESS qualified to judge what is correct, and what is incorrect.

Can you elaborate for us as to why he is wrong? Please feel free to cite your source, and provide facts and evidence.
 
ergo said:
I see Al is choosing to ignore my posts 523 and 526, I guess so he doesn't have to answer those questions, or explain the Great Balls of Fire! theory.

Do we believe Al's assessment of what demolition detonations could or could not sound like? I don't. Especially if we consider what a detonation within the basement levels might sound like on the outside, as well as ones set off within the core structure. I would guess Al really doesn't know everything about the sound dynamics of different kinds of detonations.
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I know there are no demolition explosives that don't sound like TNT, dynamite, etc. There is no Hush-A-Boom.


New Yorkers know what the 1993 bombing sounded like. The bomb was several levels below street level. When it was detonated it was heard up both towers and for blocks around on the street.

Lots of eyewitnesses on 9/11 heard the 1993 blast.

Nobody heard anything like 1993 in 2001.

There were no eyewitnesses reports of noises
consistent in timing, loudness or brisance
with man-made demolition.
 
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triforcharity said:
523- Yes, as the energy of even 100 gallons of jet fuel is very much capable.
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Get to this later...

526 - Yes, there are lots of reports of explosions. Absolutely. No one denies that. Can you name some of the things that go boom in a fire?

There are many of them. All would have been found in abundance in the WTC towers.
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List some of them for us. And then please explain your fireball theory. That is, if you support it.

Now, how big is a 50 ton hydraulic press?
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I don't know. Why don't you look it up?
 
BigAl said:
New Yorkers know what the 1993 bombing sounded like. The bomb was several levels below street level. When it was detonated it was heard up both towers and for blocks around on the street.
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Please provide evidence for this claim. As well as this:

Lots of eyewitnesses on 9/11 heard the 1993 blast.

Nobody heard anything like 1993 in 2001.
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and this cut n' paste gem:
There were no eyewitnesses reports of noises
consistent in timing, loudness or brisance
with man-made demolition.
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Originally Posted by BigAl View Post
New Yorkers know what the 1993 bombing sounded like. The bomb was several levels below street level. When it was detonated it was heard up both towers and for blocks around on the street.
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ergo said:
Please provide evidence for this claim. As well as this:
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Blast heard by occupants
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire95/PDF/f95137.pdf


http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-076.pdf
page 87 - blast heard on the street
 
ergo said:
Get to this later...
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I am sure you will. Please provide your calculations. I would love to see it.


ergo said:
List some of them for us. And then please explain your fireball theory. That is, if you support it.
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ink toner from copy machines
HVAC equipment
Water coolers
Water fountains
large, industrial motors
air pistons from office chairs
cleaning supplies
CRT type monitors and tv sets
water heaters

Now, can we dismiss each and every one of these? No, of course not.

My fireball theory? It's simple. Plane crashes. Jet fuel is atomized and blown in every direction, including down elevator shafts. Big boom. Real simple.


ergo said:
I don't know. Why don't you look it up?
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I know the answer. It is your "source" and you brought it to the table. Why don't you explain it?
 
ergo said:
Get to this later...



List some of them for us. And then please explain your fireball theory. That is, if you support it.



I don't know. Why don't you look it up?
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Here are the kind of gas explosions firemen face all the time.

Paint store explosion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2178600570591048350
News Story
http://blogs.chron.com/woodlands/archives/2006/02/fume_fire_paint.html

Backdraft explosion #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1_u-eAq5QU
Backdraft explosion #2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkNCqrJiXsU
Fire Dept practice mistake
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3326847714607168493
 
ergo said:
No, I can just kind of tell by the way you're making statements without backing them up and using obvious cut and paste from some other source.
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Frequently the English dictionary.
 
ergo said:
No, I can just kind of tell by the way you're making statements without backing them up and using obvious cut and paste from some other source.
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They are his own words. Put this

There were no eyewitnesses reports of noises
consistent in timing, loudness or brisance
with man-made demolition.

Into Google with quotation marks around it. It links here, and one other place.

Good luck!!
 
BigAl said:
Blast heard by occupants
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire95/PDF/f95137.pdf

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-076.pdf
page 87 - blast heard on the street
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I asked you to provide evidence for this claim:

Big Al said:
Nobody heard anything like 1993 in 2001.
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So far you've only supported this claim:

New Yorkers know what the 1993 bombing sounded like.
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A claim I wasn't disputing.

Moreover, your first pdf doesn't even have the words "blast" or "heard" in it. It has one instance of the word "hearing" in it. What point were you making with this reference?
 
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ergo said:
I asked you to provide evidence for this claim:



So far you've only supported this claim:



A claim I wasn't disputing.

Moreover, your first pdf doesn't even have the words "blast" or "heard" in it. It has one instance of the word "hearing" in it. What point were you making with this citation?
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Read For comprehension.
 
triforcharity said:
They are his own words. Put this

There were no eyewitnesses reports of noises
consistent in timing, loudness or brisance
with man-made demolition.

Into Google with quotation marks around it. It links here, and one other place.

Good luck!!
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Good for him. He still hasn't backed this up with any evidence.
 
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