Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

[fitzgibbon]

Just taking a stab here but angular momentum imparted by the collapse? I'm not an expert but high school physics would make the time vs. distance travelled quite doable by gravitational collapse

 

[BigAl]

Well for starters given there were no explosives what would give the beams enough lateral speed to make if fly hundreds of feet to the side as some here would like to make the claim of the so called "debris field".

Whatever did it, it wasn't explosives or thermite.

Take an ice cream stick at the ends with your finger tips and squeeze your fingers together.

What happens?

Careful you don't poke your eye out.

 

[T.A.M.]

Yes, do you? The WTC towers were 400+m high. And the most they did was "repairable" damage to buildings across the street. And did so mainly on the lower floors. That's an incredible amount of luck considering there was enough energy in the collapse equivalent to a small tactical nuke.

Yes well I am guessing most of that energy was transformed during the destuction of the towers.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Well for starters given there were no explosives what would give the beams enough lateral speed to make if fly hundreds of feet to the side as some here would like to make the claim of the so called "debris field".

Raise your fist above a big mac. Let your fist fall and hit the big mac sandwich. Do the contents between the buns simply get compressed into the bottom bun, or do they get EJECTED LATERALLY out from the bun?

TAM

 

[fitzgibbon]

I'd recommend conducting this test multiple times just to establish a benchmark. You may want to expand your experiment to include the Angus burger and Filet o' Fish. Also make sure that a Whopper behaves in a like manner. Repeat this multiple times.

HTH
Fitz

 

[T.A.M.]

lol...Even better, just remember the scene from animal house where John Bulushi cries out "I'm a zit".

TAM

 

[triforcharity]

Well not quite triforcharity. The base for the columns was section of steel laid horizontally in a pyramid and all encased in steel. That none of the vertical structural members were encased in steel, at least not above grade level, is true.

I stand corrected. You're absolutely correct.

 

[triforcharity]

But maybe the walked the dogs around the columns from another building. I mean if trained engineers can't tell one from the other what hope is there for a K9 unit?

Regarding the cutting capability and column size. With all those changes and missing blueprints and not knowing which beam is which. Who knows what was in those buildings and where it ended up. You do have a point against the usage of explosives and the whole inside job. If the owners didn't quite have the blue prints and the engineers couldn't quite figure out which beam is which. What hope was there for an inside job!!!

No, the dogs walked the entire complex. Through the voids of all the buildings, including 7WTC, 6WTC, and all the associated basements.

It wasn't that the blueprints were not available. That is not true at all. NIST had the blueprints. I have also seen the full scale blueprints.

It was a problem saying conclusively that X steel beam came from X place in X building.

 

[triforcharity]

My definition of the building footprint is the area encompassed between the paved streets. In the case of WTC it would be Vesey, Trinity, Liberty and West.

Than 7WTC did not in any sense of your (incorrect) definition, fall into it's own footprint. It hit the Verizon building, and Fitterman Hall on it's roof.

Sorry about you fail.

 

[triforcharity]

That's actually another possibility. Although personally I don't believe that would have been necessary. The towers could have been rigged with explosives when they were constructed, but what is the shelf life for explosives? I doubt that they would replace explosives in the entire building from time to time. And I'm skeptical about some inside job project rigging every single floor with massive amounts of explosives. I believe the official story could be quite correct and that the buildings were on purpose designed to collapse like they did, straight down (I will not use the expression 'into their own footprints', since the debris was spread out on a much larger area than the towers' footprints ).

Well, the shelf life of explosives exposed to the elements, is measured in hours, not days. So, that is kind shot out of the water.

At least you do not subscribe to the footprint idiocity. That is a plus.....

 

[triforcharity]

Well obviously if there is no street going behind a building, but rather another building that would be part of the footprint. I take it you limit the footprint to only the "roofed" part of the building.

Obviously you do not know how to read a map.

 

[triforcharity]

Yes, do you? The WTC towers were 400+m high. And the most they did was "repairable" damage to buildings across the street. And did so mainly on the lower floors. That's an incredible amount of luck considering there was enough energy in the collapse equivalent to a small tactical nuke.

Ok, explain the following buildings' conditions, using this map.

http://wirednewyork.com/wtc/wtc_map.htm

WTC3,4,5,and 6
Fitterman Hall
Bankers Trust Building
1 Liberty Plaza
Deutsche Bank Building

Thanks!

 

[triforcharity]

Did they? Or did they just flow outside the footprint area after the pileup was so great it would no longer fit. Leading it to "pour out" a bit.

No, absolutely not, as evidenced by this picture.

So, no, of course not.

 

[BigAl]

Well obviously if there is no street going behind a building, but rather another building that would be part of the footprint. I take it you limit the footprint to only the "roofed" part of the building.

WTC had Liberty St. on the South, West St. on the West, Vesey St. on the North and Church St. to the East.

One way signs willing, you could drive your car around the plaza.

 

[Java Man]

Raise your fist above a big mac. Let your fist fall and hit the big mac sandwich. Do the contents between the buns simply get compressed into the bottom bun, or do they get EJECTED LATERALLY out from the bun?

TAM

Yet my fist fell on the big mac sandwich not on the soda cup by it or the fries or whatever was around the mac on the table. Thus the fist fell on the burger's footprint.

 

[Java Man]

No, absolutely not, as evidenced by this picture.

[qimg]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC%20Attack/WTCcollapsedrawing1.png[/qimg]

So, no, of course not.

And those debris bits falling to the side amount to? By the looks of it it's like half the side of the outer wall worth four stories high. In other words 0.5% of the whole outer structure. Hardly something to call mom about.

 

[T.A.M.]

yes but you see the fist represents the top section of the towers, the stuff in the middle, is an explanation for the lateral ejection you truthers get so hung up on.

Oh why do I bother.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

And those debris bits falling to the side amount to? By the looks of it it's like half the side of the outer wall worth four stories high. In other words 0.5% of the whole outer structure. Hardly something to call mom about.

ummm sorry, that debris, that gigantic "cloud" of stuff coming down over the sides, that is all debris...much of it very small, but a gigantic amount of debris, and except to the beer goggled eyes of a truther, that building is falling WELL outside its footprint.

TAM

 

[Java Man]

No, absolutely not, as evidenced by this picture.

So if the bulk of the building is falling outside the perimeter walls and thus causing terrible damage beyond the footprint. What's falling inside the perimeter walls that ensures the continued collapse of the building? You can't have it both ways. Either the dynamic load pressing inside the building continues the collapse or all of it pours outside the create a great "destruction field". Since the collapse was maintained it shows that the building fell into it's footprint. Thus having enough energy to collapse the inner pillars all the way down to ground level.

 

[T.A.M.]

So if the bulk of the building is falling outside the perimeter walls and thus causing terrible damage beyond the footprint. What's falling inside the perimeter walls that ensures the continued collapse of the building? You can't have it both ways. Either the dynamic load pressing inside the building continues the collapse or all of it pours outside the create a great "destruction field". Since the collapse was maintained it shows that the building fell into it's footprint. Thus having enough energy to collapse the inner pillars all the way down to ground level.

No one said the majority of the building is falling OUTSIDE the footprint, just that as a complete collapse, the building fell well outside the footprint.

Of course, the vast majority of the building fell essentially downward, but that is a far cry from the truther canard that WTC1/2 fell "essentially" into their own foot print.

TAM