another kook for you guys to 'debunk'

[Java Man]

The claim was that the power was down on the whole upper half of the building. Therefore, no one would have been on the observation deck any time during the power down. Here is something else Scott Forbes said:

Like I said. Did the WTC have two switches? Lower half and upper half? Hasn't it occurred to you that the upper deck and some elevators were working while the floors in between were shut down?

 

[Java Man]

In other words: So there was a local power shutdown. So what?

Dave

Well that puts a great deal of pressure on the debunkers defense that placing explosives would have been notices. With less security more options are available.

 

[BigAl]

Well that puts a great deal of pressure on the debunkers defense that placing explosives would have been notices. With less security more options are available.

There were no demolition explosives used at WTC.

 

[Disbelief]

Like I said. Did the WTC have two switches? Lower half and upper half? Hasn't it occurred to you that the upper deck and some elevators were working while the floors in between were shut down?

Why are you changing what your witness is saying? He is saying that the top half of the tower was powered down. He does not give exceptions for the upper deck, but says the upper half. Do you believe him or do we discard his statements?

Now, no I do not believe they would have the deck open and have a power down of a huge portion of the building. If you still want to keep Scott Forbes as a witness and what I quoted above, no company would want to have their offices unsecured with possible public access.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Well that puts a great deal of pressure on the debunkers defense that placing explosives would have been notices. With less security more options are available.

We're not that interested in defense, because there isn't a position for us to oppose. There is ample evidence that there were no explosives, from the audible records of the collapse, and the thermite conjectures of the truth movement don't even begin to approach simple internal consistency. So if there was a power shutdown, it's no more than a commonplace event; it doesn't fit into a pattern of suspicious events, because there is no such pattern. Quite simply, it's of no interest.

Dave

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Well that puts a great deal of pressure on the debunkers defense that placing explosives would have been notices. With less security more options are available.

Right, & you think that 100,000 people wouldn't notice while working inside the buildings for several months while they planted explosives?

Blind & dumb, right?

 

[Dog Town]

Well that puts a great deal of pressure on the debunkers defense that placing explosives would have been notices. With less security more options are available.

I love the twoofer leap you just took. Local power down= less security! Genius...NOT!

PS
Willie Rod claims to have had a complete set of keys. There's your guy, right there. But, oh wait...he's your hero! Pfffttt!

 

[Java Man]

Right, & you think that 100,000 people wouldn't notice while working inside the buildings for several months while they planted explosives?

Blind & dumb, right?

Why would it take them several months to plant explosives?

 

[fourtoe]

Why would it take them several months to plant explosives?

How long should it take? If we're going by what Forbes is saying, it should take less than 24 hours?

 

[Java Man]

How long should it take? If we're going by what Forbes is saying, it should take less than 24 hours?

Yup, that's pretty much the time it would need to take.

 

[fourtoe]

Yup, that's pretty much the time it would need to take.

Are we talking about enough explosives to take down the whole building? All packed in a localized area of the tower? Done so in under 24 hours?

 

[T.A.M.]

Well that puts a great deal of pressure on the debunkers defense that placing explosives would have been notices. With less security more options are available.

how so? How does the power being down in half the building for a couple of days, place any pressure on the argument that they would have been noticed?

Does power down mean that area of the WTC was empty of people? Does that mean that the other half was empty and not in use? Does that mean that large shipments of explosives to be used by the evildoers would not have been noticed (you do realize they would need a little more explosive then the amount that could fit in a backpack, right?)?

TAM

 

[The Big Dog]

For some reason, this title reminds me of the kid at the end of Troy McClure's epic Meat and You: Partners In Freedom.

"I have this crazy friend who says it is wrong to eat meat, is he crazy?"

"No, just ignorant."

 

[T.A.M.]

Why would it take them several months to plant explosives?

Do you realize how many places on 110 floors they would have to place explosives? Do you think they just come up to a column, hall something out of their backpack, and just STICK it there. No wiring, no checking it? No time to adhere it to the column? No time to make the column bare if it was hidden or obstructed?

All that for 110 floors (and all the column areas for each) and for TWO towers.

Ask a demolition expert (a real one) how long it would take to wire such a building...just one of the towers.

What a joke.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Yup, that's pretty much the time it would need to take.

Can I stundie this? Seriously, in context with his previous post, Java Man has now stated that it is his belief that you could plant explosives to bring down the twin towers via controlled demolition in 24h.

One of the better stundies in a while Java.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

Why would it take them several months to plant explosives?

How many were used in your fantasy? Got some numbers to go with your delusion of CD?

 

[leftysergeant]

Not to mention the fact that there was actual security there 24/7/365 also. You can't power-down a human being.

Or a bomb dog.

Any contractor entering the building would have to have a security badge, as I recall. Standard procedure in most buildings housing fiancial service businesses of any kind. Their equipment and bulding materials would have to be inspected.

The amount of sheet rock and paint that they would need to cover their work would be sort of a give-away that these people aint what they say they are.

 

[triforcharity]

Or a bomb dog.

Any contractor entering the building would have to have a security badge, as I recall. Standard procedure in most buildings housing fiancial service businesses of any kind. Their equipment and bulding materials would have to be inspected.

The amount of sheet rock and paint that they would need to cover their work would be sort of a give-away that these people aint what they say they are.

"Yes hi, we're the electricians, and we are here to fix something. Can you let us in? "

Security : "Um, why do you guys have drywall and paint?"

Electrician : "We have to do some demo....*snicker* .....yeah, demo."

Security : "Where are your electricians' tools?"

Electrician : " In our bags...."

Security : "May I see? "

Electricians : "Sure!" opens up bags.........

Security : " Bombs, det cord, blasting caps...............Well, I am no electrician, so.......It's cool! Here you go!"





Yeah, not so much!!

 

[TJM]

Naw...Didn't you guys get the memo? Sheesh!

"Yes hi, we're the electricians, and we are here to fix something. Can you let us in? "

Security : "Um, why do you guys have drywall and paint?"

Electrician : "We have to do some demo....*snicker* .....yeah, demo."

Security : "Where are your electricians' tools?"

Electrician : " In our bags...."

Security : "May I see? "

Electricians : "Sure!" opens up bags.........

Security : " Bombs, det cord, blasting caps...............Well, I am no electrician, so.......It's cool! Here you go!"





Yeah, not so much!!

Here's the Official Document - Please distribute freely.

================================================

September 12, 2001​

To: Commander, NWO Black Ops, North East Division
Fr: WTC Operations Chief
Re: After Action Rpt, Power Down, Final Report

Excellency -


Operation 9/11 is a resounding success, as I'm sure you're aware and this is in no small part due to my brilliant power down sub-op, implemented over the weekend of Fri 7 Sept through Sun 9 Sept. As anticipated, there were some minor loose ends that needed to be dealt with, which I'll give an overview of here:

1. Property Management Staff, neutralization of:

As per your instruction, the power down order was sent from LS on 6 Sept and received by the office of the building. As anticipated, they immediately balked at the short notice, uninsured contractors, tenant relation issues and other such obstacles. I therefore put "Operation Buffet Slayer" in action. As planned the property management staff were snuffed out when they charged en masse to the free breakfast buffet on the 34th floor, which has been kept vacant in advance of the main op. Replacement management team reported for duty shortly thereafter.

2. Security Staff, neutralization of:

Who would've thought the security guards would question the access arrangements for the demolition teams but I'll be dog gonned - they did. Seems they've been taking orders from the same management staff for years and didn't recognize the new managers. I therefore implemented "Operation Whackit" and left an open internet connection with free streaming porn running on the 34th floor. Guards were subsequently electrocuted when they grabbed the mouse .... erm... the one on the desk, I mean.

An unanticipated problem did arise from this due to the fact that the guards are shift workers and have known each other for years. I immediately dispatched teams to their residences to have them neutralized as well, arrangements for replacements made.

3. Janitorial Staff, neutralization of:

With demo ops going forward , the ceiling tiles were taken down and walls opened up, The janitorial staff immediately protested the potentially large amount of extra work they'd need to perform, namely dusting and vacuuming up all the dust created by the demo ops. Fortunately somebody did provide me with a janitor foreman who is part of the program. He called a secret union meeting on the 34th floor, machine gunned them personally as they arrived and he was very helpful in getting a replacement staff in place almost seamlessly. Recommend accommodation.

Of course the janitors were shift workers too, so teams were dispatched to their residences as well. Replacements obtained.

4. Building Engineers, neutralization of:

Naturally when the demo ops manager shut down the building power, engineers would have been alerted when HVAC shutdown, including some critical units in tenant server rooms, UPS systems started coming on line, emergency generators starting, life safety systems crashing, tenant maintained access control system failure and so on. Fortunately they already found the streaming porn connection and didn't notice the dead security guards as the engineers usually find them sleeping anyway. Replacements installed, rest of staff killed at there residences as a precaution. Replacement shifts ordered.


5. Elevator technicians, neutralization of:

As the demo team prepared the elevator shafts, it was necessary to shut down elevators in a given bank, so as not to crush the operatives as they worked or to prematurely set off any munitions. Of course they were alerted immediately when they saw their machinery shutting down. Fortunately, good planning had the elevator mechanics on coffee break at the time of elevator shutdown and they were ambushed in the breakroom by the janitor foreman, who should be recommended for another medal. Replacements ordered, other shifts whacked by dispatched teams.

It is my understanding that the elevator system may or may not have been controlled by an on-line elevator management system that is capable of recording elevator operational data to a remote location for later review, which is operational in many modern buildings. I've currently have teams assigned to determining this possibility and if necessary, the elevator contractor will need neutralization as well. Will keep you advised.

6. Tenant employees, neutralization of:

Another unexpected rub that wasn't planned for was the tenant employees. Evidently they too have been in the buildings for years and knew the property managers, security guards, janitors, engineers and elevator mechanics. Some of them were actually friends with them. Fortunately as you're aware, no jews reported to work for the op (mazeltov!) and that left less than 3,000 that needed to be neutralized. They were whacked in the specially prepared elevators as they arrived in the buildings.

7. Miscellany:

Not including the 3,000 disposed of in the towers, I found that flights 11 and 175 contained insufficient capacity for disposal of the entire building staff, so I found it necessary to commandeer to additional flights to complete the task. Unfortunately one of the controllers jumped the gun and flew to Washington instead of targeting WTC7 as you had indicated in the emergency communique . I would like to take the opportunity to apologize to you, Excellency, as well as LS. The backup plan you implemented was brilliant on such short notice. I only hope the attack on Washington does not complicate the timetable.

As for the other flight, I'm sure you were just as surprised as I when it was found out that 93 was actually an NWO zombie research vehicle. Apparently there was enough agent present to re-animate the building staff and they were eventually able to get into the cockpit and interfere with the automated control, causing the comm link to fail and the autodestruct system activated.

Zombie containment teams are current en route to the scene. Nice job with the cover story, by the way. Your idea, no doubt. It has all the hallmarks of your brilliance.

NWO teams continue to seek out and neutralize residual building staff, their families and friends. Awaiting standown orders.

8. Epilogue:

As the other elements of the operation are engaged in cleanup ops, we at WTC ops are standing down after a job exceptionally well done, given the setbacks. All the planted building workers are present and accounted for and per your orders, we are currently sequestered. Will report to JFK on 12 nov and board AA 587 for debriefing and reassignment in Santo Domingo. Boarding passes and orders have been issued by your command.

I Hope to see you there.

X22cf.11, WTC Ops Cheif

 

[George 152]

Here's the Official Document - Please distribute freely.

================================================

September 12, 2001​

To: Commander, NWO Black Ops, North East Division
Fr: WTC Operations Chief
Re: After Action Rpt, Power Down, Final Report

Excellency -


Operation 9/11 is a resounding success, as I'm sure you're aware and this is in no small part due to my brilliant power down sub-op, implemented over the weekend of Fri 7 Sept through Sun 9 Sept. As anticipated, there were some minor loose ends that needed to be dealt with, which I'll give an overview of here:

1. Property Management Staff, neutralization of:

As per your instruction, the power down order was sent from LS on 6 Sept and received by the office of the building. As anticipated, they immediately balked at the short notice, uninsured contractors, tenant relation issues and other such obstacles. I therefore put "Operation Buffet Slayer" in action. As planned the property management staff were snuffed out when they charged en masse to the free breakfast buffet on the 34th floor, which has been kept vacant in advance of the main op. Replacement management team reported for duty shortly thereafter.

2. Security Staff, neutralization of:

Who would've thought the security guards would question the access arrangements for the demolition teams but I'll be dog gonned - they did. Seems they've been taking orders from the same management staff for years and didn't recognize the new managers. I therefore implemented "Operation Whackit" and left an open internet connection with free streaming porn running on the 34th floor. Guards were subsequently electrocuted when they grabbed the mouse .... erm... the one on the desk, I mean.

An unanticipated problem did arise from this due to the fact that the guards are shift workers and have known each other for years. I immediately dispatched teams to their residences to have them neutralized as well, arrangements for replacements made.

3. Janitorial Staff, neutralization of:

With demo ops going forward , the ceiling tiles were taken down and walls opened up, The janitorial staff immediately protested the potentially large amount of extra work they'd need to perform, namely dusting and vacuuming up all the dust created by the demo ops. Fortunately somebody did provide me with a janitor foreman who is part of the program. He called a secret union meeting on the 34th floor, machine gunned them personally as they arrived and he was very helpful in getting a replacement staff in place almost seamlessly. Recommend accommodation.

Of course the janitors were shift workers too, so teams were dispatched to their residences as well. Replacements obtained.

4. Building Engineers, neutralization of:

Naturally when the demo ops manager shut down the building power, engineers would have been alerted when HVAC shutdown, including some critical units in tenant server rooms, UPS systems started coming on line, emergency generators starting, life safety systems crashing, tenant maintained access control system failure and so on. Fortunately they already found the streaming porn connection and didn't notice the dead security guards as the engineers usually find them sleeping anyway. Replacements installed, rest of staff killed at there residences as a precaution. Replacement shifts ordered.


5. Elevator technicians, neutralization of:

As the demo team prepared the elevator shafts, it was necessary to shut down elevators in a given bank, so as not to crush the operatives as they worked or to prematurely set off any munitions. Of course they were alerted immediately when they saw their machinery shutting down. Fortunately, good planning had the elevator mechanics on coffee break at the time of elevator shutdown and they were ambushed in the breakroom by the janitor foreman, who should be recommended for another medal. Replacements ordered, other shifts whacked by dispatched teams.

It is my understanding that the elevator system may or may not have been controlled by an on-line elevator management system that is capable of recording elevator operational data to a remote location for later review, which is operational in many modern buildings. I've currently have teams assigned to determining this possibility and if necessary, the elevator contractor will need neutralization as well. Will keep you advised.

6. Tenant employees, neutralization of:

Another unexpected rub that wasn't planned for was the tenant employees. Evidently they too have been in the buildings for years and knew the property managers, security guards, janitors, engineers and elevator mechanics. Some of them were actually friends with them. Fortunately as you're aware, no jews reported to work for the op (mazeltov!) and that left less than 3,000 that needed to be neutralized. They were whacked in the specially prepared elevators as they arrived in the buildings.

7. Miscellany:

Not including the 3,000 disposed of in the towers, I found that flights 11 and 175 contained insufficient capacity for disposal of the entire building staff, so I found it necessary to commandeer to additional flights to complete the task. Unfortunately one of the controllers jumped the gun and flew to Washington instead of targeting WTC7 as you had indicated in the emergency communique . I would like to take the opportunity to apologize to you, Excellency, as well as LS. The backup plan you implemented was brilliant on such short notice. I only hope the attack on Washington does not complicate the timetable.

As for the other flight, I'm sure you were just as surprised as I when it was found out that 93 was actually an NWO zombie research vehicle. Apparently there was enough agent present to re-animate the building staff and they were eventually able to get into the cockpit and interfere with the automated control, causing the comm link to fail and the autodestruct system activated.

Zombie containment teams are current en route to the scene. Nice job with the cover story, by the way. Your idea, no doubt. It has all the hallmarks of your brilliance.

NWO teams continue to seek out and neutralize residual building staff, their families and friends. Awaiting standown orders.

8. Epilogue:

As the other elements of the operation are engaged in cleanup ops, we at WTC ops are standing down after a job exceptionally well done, given the setbacks. All the planted building workers are present and accounted for and per your orders, we are currently sequestered. Will report to JFK on 12 nov and board AA 587 for debriefing and reassignment in Santo Domingo. Boarding passes and orders have been issued by your command.

I Hope to see you there.

X22cf.11, WTC Ops Cheif

A masterful work
I suppose you realise there are kooks out there who will believe that...