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Lambda-CDM theory - Woo or not?

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When someone asks you to direct them to the reference source, page, and paragraph that you claim supports something you say, why not simply point them to it instead of whining and moaning? When someone points out that you have been lying, why not just stop the lying instead of whining some more about being busted? When someone asks you to make yourself clear on some point that you've babbled about, why not use the terminology of the science that you claim to want to discuss so that people can actually understand what the hell you're trying to say?
Just to emphasis GeeMack's point here, Micheal Mozina:
You have asserted a dozen things about Birkeland's work
An honest person would either
  • provide the citations to support the assertions or
  • admit that they wrongly interpreted Birkeland's work.
The fact that you have done neither for over a year (the first question was on 7th July 2009 :eye-poppi !) makes you into a dishonest person. So now we know that you have been lying about Birkeland's work for at least a year on this forum and for many years on other forum.
 
I'll feel a current, not a charge. Don't you know the difference? You're obsessed with electric universe nonsense, and you can't even get one of the most basic aspects of electricity right? Wow. I'm not sure if that's tragically comic or comically tragic.

Do you even have the slightest clue how AC works?
 
FYI D'rok, the conversation in question goes back to an analogy Newton used to describe gravity. He described it as a force on a string with a rock tied to the end of the string while spinning it around. I extended Newton's analogy (I think originally on BAUT) to include the force on the string from an acceleration component in the Z axis. My intent was to suggest that a sun *MIGHT* have (somewhat, not necessarily a lot) more mass that first realized, but that was all I was trying to suggest. I was not attempting to suggest that *ALL* missing mass was located inside of stars as you seem to believe. I'm with Birkeland. I think most of the missing mass is found in flying electron and ions of all kinds.
 
The fact that Micheal Mozina's twisted logic results in the universe outside of the Earth not existing has been pointed out many times.
Have a look at Tim Thomson's "What is "Empirical" Science? XXX) posts, e.g. What is "Empirical" Science? VII.

The statement "God did it with electricity" is more "scientific" than the trilogy of invisible crapola that you're peddling.


What a stupid analogy. A sun give off visible light. It's not "dark" like all your mythical invisible friends.
 
Hey, Michael, your continued willful ignorance is noted. However, if you go back and read this post you'll get some very good pointers about how to improve your communication so that you don't continue to fail so miserably at presenting your argument. Your current success rate is somewhere around 0%. Wouldn't you like to bring that up a percent or two?

ETA: Actually in a way you could say your argument has failed significantly less than 0%. Your success rate is in the negative numbers, and here's why: There are many people who didn't know much about astrophysics or cosmology one way or another until they encountered some of your inane arguments in these threads. They' gone out on their own to do a little research and they've become aware of just how ridiculously wrong you are about pretty much everything you write. So not only have you never converted anyone to believing your cockamamie conjectures, you've helped many, perhaps dozens of people, to understand a bit about astrophysics and cosmology, and consequently to realize just how totally wrong you are! :D
 
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To begin with, "dark energy" is the cause of cosmological acceleration by virtue of the simple fact that the name of that cause, the physical properties & nature of which remain unknown, is "dark energy"...

Your premise is based *ENTIRELY* upon a logical fallacy, specifically a non-sequitur fallacy. There is no "cause/effect" link between acceleration and your impotent sky entity. That's "faith" Tim, not empirical physics. It's like me claiming "God energy is the cause of the cosmological acceleration by virtue of the simple fact that the name of the cause is , the physical properties & nature of which remain unknown, is "God energy". BS. There's no cause/effect link between your invisible sky entity and any other religious sky entity. Neither of them accelerates squat in a real experiment.
 
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FYI D'rok, the conversation in question goes back to an analogy Newton used to describe gravity. He described it as a force on a string with a rock tied to the end of the string while spinning it around. I extended Newton's analogy (I think originally on BAUT) to include the force on the string from an acceleration component in the Z axis. My intent was to suggest that a sun *MIGHT* have (somewhat, not necessarily a lot) more mass that first realized, but that was all I was trying to suggest. I was not attempting to suggest that *ALL* missing mass was located inside of stars as you seem to believe. I'm with Birkeland. I think most of the missing mass is found in flying electron and ions of all kinds.
I am sure that D'rok, can figure out the mistakes in your post, MM. But I know that you cannot, so
Birkeland did not state anything about missing mass.
He stated that there woiuld be electrons and ions in space. That has been shown to be correct for the simple reason that we have detected them. You do know that something that has been detected is not missing?
Thanks for remindng me MM:
Where does Birkeland state that most of mass in the universe is in high speed moving particles?(14th September 2010)

Michael Mozina's delusions about Birkeland's work

P.S. Please cite Birkeland's "cathode solar model" (16th September 2010)
 
Do you even have the slightest clue how AC works?

Quite a bit, actually. And it wouldn't matter if it was AC or DC. Do you even have the slightest clue about the distinction between current and charge? Or voltage and charge? No, you don't.

Wires don't need any net charge in order to carry current. Likewise with plasmas, and with the solar wind.
 
The statement "God did it with electricity" is more "scientific" than the trilogy of invisible crapola that you're peddling.
The statement "we can us the scientific method to descrive the universe" is more scientific than the all of the impossible crapola that you're peddling.

What a stupid analogy. A sun give off visible light. It's not "dark"
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What a stupid display of ignorance.
A star gives off light. Astronomers detect this light and thus the star.
Mass "gives off" gravity and this affects light. Astronomers detect this light and thus the mass.
 
What is Dark Energy? II

... Birkeland ... His model PREDICTS and *EXPLAINS* a method of particle acceleration. You observe "acceleration". How you know these things are "unrelated"? You don't! You *ASSUME* they are unrelated. ... That "acceleration" is most likely due to EM fields too. You don't want to hear it, but that is a fact. The EM field is *THE* most likely culprit if we're trying to explain an acceleration of a plasma universe.
This is not true. It was not true the first time you said it, it is not true this time, and I predict that it will not be true next time you say it. Empirical observation proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that classical electromagnetism is ruled out as a putative cause for the observed cosmological acceleration. See, e.g., ...

From September 12, 2010
Curiously, "dark energy" picked up that peculiar monicker by virtue of being, well, dark. Cosmic rays, all of which are charged particles, are not dark. You said that, according to Birkeland, their mass inside the galaxies, was greater than the mass of the stars, a claim trivially ruled out by orders of magnitude, by virtue of the scientifically time honored practice of observation. Likewise, observation limits the cosmic ray sea to a sub-observable threshold. However, in the scenario you describe, entire galaxies (109 to 1012 solar masses) are pulled along and even accelerated by all these cosmic rays. The electromagnetic emission from those cosmic rays cannot avoid being "blinding", so to speak, and yet we see nothing. Furthermore, they have to produce an amazingly spherically symmetric acceleration, so that opposite ends of the universe are accelerated exactly the same. How does your dark sea of cosmic rays mange to pull that off? And finally, if the cosmic rays are pulling all of these galaxies along, then they must be losing copious amounts if energy (accelerating 1010 solar masses to a substantial fraction of the speed of light requires a great deal of energy, in case you hadn't noticed). So either they will run out of cosmic poop really fast, or they are being all pooped up by something to regain all that lost energy. What is that something?

In short, neither of these ideas stands up to even modest scrutiny. They are ruled out strongly both by observation and by well known basic physics. It's "back to the drawing board" for thee & they dark ideas.

From February 9, 2010 ...
Remember, the cosmological constant is exactly that, both cosmological and constant. We know where electric fields come from: They are caused either by the physical separation of electrically charged particles, or by a time varying magnetic field. We know where magnetic fields come from: They are caused by moving electric charges or by a time varying electric field. This knowledge is a serious constraint on our imagination; we cannot simply invent any electromagnetic field we want to invent, rather we must invent one that is consistent with these known physical causes. Those know physical causes do not create even small scale constant fields without much intervention on our part, they certainly will not create constant fields of cosmologically significant distances. To saying that the cosmological constant is electromagnetic is unreasonable and not consistent with known physics. The cosmological constant must be something else, and we call that something else dark energy.

The one and only reason that Mozina has ever given, to support the claim that cosmological acceleration must be of classical electromagnetic origin, is that electromagnetic fields are measurable in controlled laboratory experiments. Yet he chooses to ignore the fact that the cosmological acceleration of the universe is not consistent with laboratory electromagnetism. So here is Mozina's Big Chance (MBC) ...

A Challenge for Michael Mozina: In a controlled terrestrial laboratory experiment, recreate a galaxy of stars, dust, neutral gas and plasma, with a dynamic spiral structure. Then accelerate that galaxy, through the exclusive use of electromagnetic fields, to a speed of 1,000 km/sec without in any way altering the shape & form of the galaxy, particularly not altering the spiral patterns. If you cannot so that, or at least describe in technical detail how the experiment should be done, then by your own standard, your hypothesis cannot be "empirical", since it cannot be replicated in a controlled laboratory experiment.

Now, having laid down the gauntlet and challenged Mozina, let me finish with this ...
Dark energy, like dark matter, is an unknown in cosmology. We know it is there because we can see how it effects the universe in the form of an accelerated expansion, but we don't know what it is. However, just as is the case for dark matter, even if we don't know what it is, we know what it is not. Physics recognizes the existence of 4 and only 4 fundamental forces: gravity, electromagnetism, the weak force and the strong force (with the caveat that general relativity does not recognize gravity as a genuine force, treating it as geometry). So which of these 4 is dark energy? It can't be either the weak or strong force, they are extremely short range forces that show up only over nuclear distances, roughly 10-15 meters. It can't be gravity as we know it because gravity is attractive not repulsive. And it can't be classical electromagnetism, as illustrated in my posts above (electromagnetic fields are not at all "dark" in any sense). At once we see that all of the known forces are ruled out by observation.
Mozina keeps claiming that we only assume that cosmological acceleration is due to mysterious "dark energy", but have no empirical reason for doing so. But is claim is ignorant, and by virtue of his ignorance, it is wrong. As a matter of real fact, real empirical observations (empirical, not mozperical) solidly rule out all 4 of the classical known forces in physics. Nothing that we already know can possibly be the cause for cosmological acceleration of the universe and that is knowledge not assumption.
 
Your premise is based *ENTIRELY* upon a logical fallacy, specifically a non-sequitur fallacy. There is no "cause/effect" link between acceleration and your impotent sky entity. That's "faith" Tim, not empirical physics. It's like me claiming "God energy is the cause of the cosmological acceleration by virtue of the simple fact that the name of the cause is , the physical properties & nature of which remain unknown, is "God energy". BS. There's no cause/effect link between your invisible sky entity and any other religious sky entity. Neither of them accelerates squat in a real experiment.


There is an effect, observed and measured empirically, the accelerated expansion of the Universe. That effect has a cause, your refusal to accept perfectly valid empirical science notwithstanding.
 
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My intent was to suggest that a sun *MIGHT* have (somewhat, not necessarily a lot) more mass that first realized, but that was all I was trying to suggest. I was not attempting to suggest that *ALL* missing mass was located inside of stars as you seem to believe.

That's even worse: you're speculating not on missing mass, but on extra mass, which for some unknown reason doesn't produce a gravitational signature. And that's better than speculating about mass which DOES have a gravitational signature that we have detected... how?

Make all the excuses you want to, Michael, but there's no actual consistency to your beliefs or your standards of evidence and logic. And everyone can see that quite plainly.
 
That's even worse: you're speculating not on missing mass, but on extra mass, which for some unknown reason doesn't produce a gravitational signature. And that's better than speculating about mass which DOES have a gravitational signature that we have detected... how?

Make all the excuses you want to, Michael, but there's no actual consistency to your beliefs or your standards of evidence and logic. And everyone can see that quite plainly.


But you don't understand. The missing mass is in the iron in the solid surfaces of the Sun and the other stars. Those scientists need to stop doing all that chicken scratchin' math and start reading Birkeland. He predicted it! :eek:
 
I'm with Birkeland.
No, you're not. Birkeland never knew about dark matter. Stop claiming your beliefs are somebody elses.

I think most of the missing mass is found in flying electron and ions of all kinds.
So, in short, you believe that the missing mass which is dark and cannot be seen and therefore cannot interact through the EM force is to be found in the form of a light charged particle (and thus interacts through the EM force), collections of which would be about the easiest thing to detect in the Universe. And you wonder why people won't take you seriously?
 
If both wires are neutral, how exactly do you get shocked again?

By the current, Michael. That's one of the most basic and fundamental facts about electricity. It's something many of us have known since we were children.

You pretend to care about physics, but it's just another of your lies. You've proven over and over and over that all you care about is getting attention. Grow up.
 
By the current, Michael. That's one of the most basic and fundamental facts about electricity. It's something many of us have known since we were children.

You pretend to care about physics, but it's just another of your lies. You've proven over and over and over that all you care about is getting attention. Grow up.

You know, I've been burned many times in the past by *assuming* that you folks actually knew something about a specific topic. I think before I do that again, I would like to take a quick poll.

In a typical 110 volt extension cord or a box of Romex, there are three wires , a green (or bare) wire, a black wire and a white wire. Which of the these three wires (If any) is *NOT* neutral with respect to ground?

Don't be bashful. Let's hear your answer before we continue.
 
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Michael, your intentional ignorance is noted... again. However, if you go back and read this post you'll get some very good pointers about how to improve your communication so that you don't continue to fail so miserably at presenting your argument.

Your current success rate at making your case is significantly less than 0%. Wouldn't you like to bring that up a percent or two? Do you have any desire at all to be taken seriously? Do you have any desire to actually make your point in a convincing way? Or is my guess correct (others have guessed this, too... Tim being one example) that you don't give a damn about the truth of your position and that you just want to talk all sciency and continue to troll web forums just for the fun of it? Is lying, incredulity, and ignorance all you've got?
 
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