Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

[bill smith]

I looked at your post and spend the next 45 minutes back tracking and even checking “find other posts” to make sure I didn’t miss it.
I don’t think you understand the question, Bill. Before any arguments for a CD are relevant, you must first posit a technically viable method for employing a CD to begin with. One that conforms to the facts surrounding the event. Nothing in any of the posts you referred me to remotely qualifies.

Why don’t you try again, and this time simply post it right here?

Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts?
Otherwise,I want my ¾ of an hour back.

Why don't you outline what you see as the most pertinent 'known facts' or we will be working at cross purposes.

 

[Oystein]

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Can you identify any molten metal by sight alone? Yes or no. It is a simple question. Why do you dodge it?

If you can, great, please do so with the pictures posted by O so we can see it....

Since I certainly can't tell by sight what the 7 pictures show, I have the solution written on a piece of paper.
Each time I tidy up my desk, clean it, do some vacuum-cleaning around it etc., I have to take care not to throw out that piece of paper by accident.

I have cleaned my desk often since I posted the 7 pics the first time.
And Jesus knows, a tidy desk is not a high priority in my life

 

[T.A.M.]

I looked at your post and spend the next 45 minutes back tracking and even checking “find other posts” to make sure I didn’t miss it.
I don’t think you understand the question, Bill. Before any arguments for a CD are relevant, you must first posit a technically viable method for employing a CD to begin with. One that conforms to the facts surrounding the event. Nothing in any of the posts you referred me to remotely qualifies.

Why don’t you try again, and this time simply post it right here?

Can you provide a technically viable method of performing a CD on the World Trade Center that is consistent with all the known facts?
Otherwise,I want my ¾ of an hour back.

heh Chuck...let me go into truther mode for a moment....wait here...gotta suit up...ok....here we go...

[truther]
In the months, possibly years prior to 9/11 people working for elements of the evil USG (or an evil faction of) were posing as janitors, electricians, workers in general. They would enter the WTC and be allowed access to the inner areas of the WTCs by virtual of their supposed jobs. However, during these visits to the inner areas, they would secretly plant devices that would be responsible for administering, when activated either (A) a preloaded dose of thermite, or (b) several hundred sprayed layers of super duper thermite. Then, on 9/11, about 1 hour after the alleged planes struck the towers, the NWO masters activated these thermite application devices, and then presto...collapses.
[/truther]

help much...lol

TAM

 

[Oystein]

Why don't you outline what you see as the most pertinent 'known facts' or we will be working at cross purposes.

One such fact would be "No molten steel confirmed anywhere on GZ".
Another would be "Not a single column found that showed any signs of melting"

 

[Sabretooth]

You want awesome beer, come to my neck of the woods, where 5% is the average, 7% not all that uncommon, and the taste...mmmmm

TAM

Oh, I'm very familiar Living 10 minutes from the Canadian border is sometimes a good thing

 

[Oystein]

...Bill. Before any arguments for a CD are relevant, you must first posit a technically viable method for employing a CD to begin with. One that conforms to the facts surrounding the event. Nothing in any of the posts you referred me to remotely qualifies.

Why don’t you try again, and this time simply post it right here?
...

Not sure what Bill's take is on WTC7.

His idea for the twin towers is that each had 1/3 of it's core box columns stuffed with thermite up to 88th floor, which was then burnt from the bottom up. Since he is talking about 8.000 tons of steel per tower, he thinks that every minute of every workday of a whole year up to 9/11, a delivery truck hauled a ton of thermite into each tower. They must have had the 7 freight elevators in each tower pretty mucvh maxed out just carrying the 16.000 tons of thermite necessary to pull of that stunt.
He thinks that thr resulting 24.000 tons of molten slack went totally unnoticed, except for a few apocryphal mentions of 2nd-hand reports of "molten metal".
I don't know how this bottom-up approach would explain the top-down collapse, but hey, I am not Bill...

 

[T.A.M.]

but even if you entertain that insane idea, would the collapse not have begun at the bottom where the columns were weakened first and gravity was having its greates load effect?

TAM

Edit: ahhh, sorry, skipped the last line of your post...

Exactly...

 

[bill smith]

One such fact would be "No molten steel confirmed anywhere on GZ".

There are a hundred reports of molten steel including several very significant ones , This throws your 'known fact' into the area of 'doubtful'. Therefore the 'No molten steel' claim will not be acceptable as a fact.

 

[T.A.M.]

There are a hundred reports of molten steel including several very significant ones , This throws your 'known fact' into the area of 'doubtful'. Therefore the 'No molten steel' claim will not be acceptable as a fact.

and how reliable do you think ISOLATED, ANECDOTAL witness reports of molten METAL are? You do know that by ALL SCIENTIFIC STANDARDS, anecdotal evidence is considered THE WEAKEST form of evidence. Of course you can make it somewhat stronger if there are a large number of anecdotes that suggest the same thing...but for the molten metal, you don't even have that.

TAM

 

[bill smith]

Not sure what Bill's take is on WTC7.

His idea for the twin towers is that each had 1/3 of it's core box columns stuffed with thermite up to 88th floor, which was then burnt from the bottom up. Since he is talking about 8.000 tons of steel per tower, he thinks that every minute of every workday of a whole year up to 9/11, a delivery truck hauled a ton of thermite into each tower. They must have had the 7 freight elevators in each tower pretty mucvh maxed out just carrying the 16.000 tons of thermite necessary to pull of that stunt.
He thinks that thr resulting 24.000 tons of molten slack went totally unnoticed, except for a few apocryphal mentions of 2nd-hand reports of "molten metal".
I don't know how this bottom-up approach would explain the top-down collapse, but hey, I am not Bill...

It's a damn sight easier to convincingly replicate a building falling by gravity when you have secretly reduced it's scentral upport structure by up to 35%

 

[Oystein]

There are a hundred reports of molten steel ...

No.

 

[Sabretooth]

We all lmow that nanothermite can be painted on. So if it can be painted on it can be pumped.And pumped it was- right inside the hollow core columns. Or rather a selected 30-35% of them. They were melted iin a fast sequence from bottom to top with one melted section dropping down through the hole where the columns underneath had been. All the way down into the basements.

You can see where it went wrong when the steel flowed out the window on the 82nd floor of WTC2. There was presumably a blockage or a delay there and the liquified columns above broke through the fireproofing sheath and flowed across the floor where we saw some of it pour from the window.

Hundreds of tons of nanothermite could have been pumped in broad daylight in the WTC in this way and none of the secretaries there would have noticed a darn thing.

This is just a rough sketch but you see the general idea I guess ?

Sure, I get the general idea. You're saying that millions of gallons of nano-paint-thermite was pumped into the WTC complex.

But we aren't discussing the logistics of such a project, which is imperative to the theory.

For example:
1. How is the nanothermite processed?
2. Who made it?
3. How was it transported?
3a. I think we could agree it was trucked in via tankers. Are we aware of security at WTC noticing an abnormal amount of tanker trucks showing up on site?
4. How was it "pumped" in?
4a. The office workers surely would have noticed large hoses being plugged into the walls, pumping in what would surely be some pungent smelling stuff.

I guess we could start with that for now.


EDIT: I also want to point out some other issues with nanothermite. Quote from the wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanothermite

In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminum particles required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material were limited.

This suggests that the amount of nanothermite needed for your operation would have been impossible to achieve on 9/11.

Also:

The thermite reaction releases dangerous ultra-violet (UV) light requiring that the reaction not be viewed directly, or that special eye protection (for example, a welder's mask) be worn.

The amount of nanothermite you're proposing would be, in layman's terms, brighter than s***! How was such a visual display of ridiculously brilliant light lost on the millions to witness the events of the day?

Shall we start a new thread to discuss? I haven't checked to see if this specific theory has been covered.

 

[T.A.M.]

There are a hundred reports of molten steel including several very significant ones , This throws your 'known fact' into the area of 'doubtful'. Therefore the 'No molten steel' claim will not be acceptable as a fact.

hundreds....lol...I have ever only seen 5-10 (I am being generous) and half of those were for molten METAL, not Steel. Those who mentioned steel, for the most part, were UNQUALIFIED to distinguish what metal it was they saw.

That statement is quite laughable.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

Sure, I get the general idea. You're saying that millions of gallons of nano-paint-thermite was pumped into the WTC complex.

But we aren't discussing the logistics of such a project, which is imperative to the theory.

For example:
1. How is the nanothermite processed?
2. Who made it?
3. How was it transported?
3a. I think we could agree it was trucked in via tankers. Are we aware of security at WTC noticing an abnormal amount of tanker trucks showing up on site?
4. How was it "pumped" in?
4a. The office workers surely would have noticed large hoses being plugged into the walls, pumping in what would surely be some pungent smelling stuff.

I guess we could start with that for now.

you want to have some real fun....take one of their proposed methods (nanothermite paint for instance) and using the socratic method, walk them through it in reverse...leave your sense of reality at the door.

TAM

 

[bill smith]

No.

I have heard 100. I have around 20 at hand,.

 

[excaza]

They saw molten metal. There are other metals besides steel present in a building.

And I think a fair bit more than 100 people would have notices eleventy million bajillion tons of molten metal in the basement.

 

[bill smith]

Sure, I get the general idea. You're saying that millions of gallons of nano-paint-thermite was pumped into the WTC complex.

But we aren't discussing the logistics of such a project, which is imperative to the theory.

For example:
1. How is the nanothermite processed?
2. Who made it?
3. How was it transported?
3a. I think we could agree it was trucked in via tankers. Are we aware of security at WTC noticing an abnormal amount of tanker trucks showing up on site?
4. How was it "pumped" in?
4a. The office workers surely would have noticed large hoses being plugged into the walls, pumping in what would surely be some pungent smelling stuff.

I guess we could start with that for now.

Oh, I think it could be managed pretty easily. There was no real rush remember ? A Painter here and a painter there with his tank on wheels and his little electric pump with the tube running into the hole in the core column. Nighttime and the lights are burning into the wee hours as the agents of the perps are pumping pumping pumping. Nah...no sweat at all.

 

[excaza]

I want to live in your little world, it's much more exciting.

 

[bill smith]

They saw molten metal. There are other metals besides steel present in a building.

And I think a fair bit more than 100 people would have notices eleventy million bajillion tons of molten metal in the basement.

What about 'I saw the melting of girders at the WTC '. You can check who said that.

 

[excaza]

Show us one melted girder.