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Controlled demolition vs. the towers collapsing

twinstead said:
Yup. The ONLY conspiracy theory that has a chance, and even it has very little hard evidence to support it, is LIHOP. One would think that since most truthers simply enter into this debate from an ideological standpoint, the evidence be damned, LIHOP would be a shoe in.

I guess it's not cool enough. Space beams or exotic, secret silent explosives or super-duper nano-thermite is more exciting.
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That is what has always puzzled me about the Truthers. They reject the theory has at least has a slim chance of being believable, in favor of one that is totally unbelievable.
 
dudalb said:
That is what has always puzzled me about the Truthers. They reject the theory has at least has a slim chance of being believable, in favor of one that is totally unbelievable.
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lol. The old 'big foot or man in suit' conundrum. lol.:)
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
It only seems illogical to you because you don't understand it, Mr. space-beamer.
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Everyone in my lecture is looking at me funny because I just started laughing.

I think laser beams from space offers a much more interesting explanation than anything else.
 
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Jackanory said:
Reading comprehension!!!!

I asked you to search for CD's that go wrong. I also asked you to tell me why they go wrong. You're dance tells me you know who is right and who is wrong.

A building constructed of concrete and reinforced concrete has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.

A building constructed of concrete and steel has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.

A building constructed of concrete, reinforced concrete and steel has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.

A building constructed of steel, glass and concrete has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.
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A building whose upper floors are to be the target of an alleged plane crash has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.
 
bardamu said:
A building whose upper floors are to be the target of an alleged plane crash has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.
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The WTC towers were not prepared for CD. No evidence, just some lies from 911 truth no one takes serous since they have no evidence. They are cult member chanting "inside job", brainwashed and unable to understand 911, repeating what they are told by their 911 truth masters of delusions.

The fires in the WTC towers would have destroyed any charges and fusing; the CD fantasy is the most moronic lie in history.
 
T.A.M. said:
Where was the word "only" ever used in my post or his? Where? You are inserting your own preconcieved ideas of what er meant into our statements....everyone (except you) can see that. Everyone (except you) understands what is meant by our posts.
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In the sentence below, the poster is clearly saying that the explosives would only need to be planted near the bottom of the building.

doogiet said:
If explosives were planted in the towers with the intent to destroy them, they would be in the bottom and would let gravity do its work.
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I'm sure he'd have willingly owned up to being wrong, but now the other debunkers are trying to cover up his mistake, he's obliged to go along with them.
 
This thread is a classic example of what the "truth movement" has become.

I'm sure they'll scratch their heads and say "what"?


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If they were trying to terrorize the US population, why the hell would they bother putting so much effort into (sorta) dropping the towers in their own footprint? Just blow one side and have them tip over, much more damage, much more fear. Or was 3000 people murdered the limit?
 
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excaza said:
If they were trying to terrorize the US population, why the hell would they bother putting so much effort into dropping the towers in their own footprint? Just blow one side and have them tip over, much more damage, much more fear. Or was 3000 people murdered the limit?
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Yeah...they needed to save some for Katrina...:eek:

OK, bad joke...sorry :boxedin:
 
DGM said:
This thread is a classic example of what the "truth movement" has become.
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It should have been end of thread after this comment in post #2:

The Almond said:
I had roughly this same objection. To be fair, though, there are many ways to demolish a building using explosives.
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but T.A.M. just can't bear to see the truth movement come out on top, so he set about digging a hole for himself and his friends.
 
bardamu said:
It should have been end of thread after this comment in post #2:




but T.A.M. just can't bear to see the truth movement come out on top, so he set about digging a hole for himself and his friends.
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All I see in this thread is a lot of pointless bickering. How is any of this "coming out on top"?

You don't see what I was getting at do you?
 
twinstead said:
Yup. The ONLY conspiracy theory that has a chance, and even it has very little hard evidence to support it, is LIHOP. One would think that since most truthers simply enter into this debate from an ideological standpoint, the evidence be damned, LIHOP would be a shoe in.

I guess it's not cool enough. Space beams or exotic, secret silent explosives or super-duper nano-thermite is more exciting.
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Wow, you nailed how I have felt since day one about the 911 conspiracy theories and theorists.

Those people, who's lives and political world view require such conspiracies, simply cannot allow any credibility in any gov't person, agency, or commission. Thus they must take exception to the 911 Commission report, the FEMA report, and the NIST reports. This leaves little room for a LIHOP theory and so they all but ignore it focusing instead on all manner of arcane and overly complex alternatives to explain the damage caused on that day.
 
ergo said:
To T.A.M.: This doesn't change the fact that doogiet's idea (and yours, according to your statement) that you could induce a clean, gravity-driven collapse in the Twin Towers by only removing resistance at the base of it is wrong, and is clearly not how CD is done.
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So you're advocating for a top-down demolition a la a certain Will Smith 1996 summer blockbuster?

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Kinda missin' the alien spaceship there, ain't ya?
 
doogiet said:
One of the things that I've never understood about the whole Truther movement is the comparison (again and again) of the two towers collapsing to buildings that were intentionally demolished by explosives. Can't they see that demolished buildings have explosives on the BOTTOM, while the towers collapsed from the TOP DOWN?

If explosives were planted in the towers with the intent to destroy them, they would be in the bottom and would let gravity do its work. There would also be no reason to hijack planes and crash them. The evil conspirators could just say that someone drove a truck with explosives in, or something similar.

Occam's Razor for the win.
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Stop being so logical and rational!

But there is 'proof' of explosives lower down in the buildings, via Willy Rodriguez. No, I kid you about that. There were some reports of fireballs, falling elevator cars etc...and a pervasive smell of kerosine - but those do not = controlled demolition, of course.
 
bardamu said:
It should have been end of thread after this comment in post #2:
but T.A.M. just can't bear to see the truth movement come out on top, so he set about digging a hole for himself and his friends.
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Umm, that's what you got as important out of post #2? My FSM, I'll reprint the relevant part for you:

The problem is that they all require several months worth of work on a completely empty building with all of the major structural members exposed.
 
bardamu said:
A building whose upper floors are to be the target of an alleged plane crash has a method and procedure that differs from other structures when being prepared for CD.
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yes, I guess that is why, when your dense truther friends realized it, they had to modify their "controlled demolition" canard, to "Atypical, unconventional controlled demolitions".

As for me digging a hole, I see you suffer from the same reading comprehension problem as ergo...Why am I not surprised.

TAM:)
 
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