Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

[Sabretooth]

A small amount of molten iron will cool relatively quickly. The same is not true of a pool 10,000 tons in weight. I already told you about the inefficient wicking away of the heat through the poor conduction of the rubble. Though gradually that rubble it would heat up to very high temperatures.

In the beginning the rubble was full of smeller pools and gobbets of molten steel throughout but these would have cooled fairly quickly.

Just the fact that smouldering fires could survive at all in the pile despite the lack of oxygen and the constant hosing down tells you that something else was sustaining them. And that was the unquenchable heat of the 10,000 ton pool of molten steel.

And...um...where was this "pool" situated?

 

[DGM]

Well get them on here then. Only guys from 9/11 though..

I was thinking in person. Most of these guys are what you might call "hands on".

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

A small amount of molten iron will cool relatively quickly. The same is not true of a pool 10,000 tons in weight. I already told you about the inefficient wicking away of the heat through the poor conduction of the rubble. Though gradually that rubble it would heat up to very high temperatures.

In the beginning the rubble was full of smeller pools and gobbets of molten steel throughout but these would have cooled fairly quickly.

Just the fact that smouldering fires could survive at all in the pile despite the lack of oxygen and the constant hosing down tells you that something else was sustaining them. And that was the unquenchable heat of the 10,000 ton pool of molten steel.

What a riot! Bill thinks just because the Towers were on fire at 2,000*F that there would be "molten steel" present after they collasped.

Bill, the fires inside the Towers never reached 2,600*F!

 

[bill smith]

I was thinking in person. Most of these guys are what you might call "hands on".

I have to tell you Suh .....If they lay hands on me my brothers will call on them to name their seconds.

The last time I talked to a field-hand like this Daddy give me a whuppin'.

 

[The Big Dog]

4. ...Help me to understand why NIST is withholding the WTC 7 contract and ancillary construction docs from Ron Brookman S.E., and is denying his FOIA attempts to procure 3,370 files that include: 1. Remaining input and all results files of the ANSYS (FEA) 16-story Case B collapse initiation model. 2. Break element source code, 3. ANSYS scripts files for the break elements, 4. Custom executable ANSYS file, 5. All spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities, and 6. Connection models....why withhold all this?


Good luck with all that.

Huh, I've already responded to this, twice:

He has posted NIST’s response to the FOIA numerous times.

In so doing, he must of course be aware that he and his hero have recourse to the Federal Courts. Federal courts have jurisdiction to "enjoin the agency from withholding agency records" 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(4)(B).

"An agency seeking to withhold information under an exemption to FOIA has the burden of proving that the information falls under the claimed exemption." GC Micro Corp. v. Defense Logistics Agency, 33 F.3d 1109, 1113 (9th Cir. 1994); see also Lewis v. IRS, 823 F.2d 375, 378 (9th Cir.1987).

What is the staus of the litigation in the Federal Courts, Derek?

eta:

Just curious why you think spending your time on JREF is a good way to bring about justice. Would it not be better to file a lawsuit seeking judicial review of NIST's conclusion that the disclosure of the evidence would jeopardize public safety?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I have to tell you Suh .....If they lay hands on me my brothers will call on them to name their seconds.

The last time I talked to a field-hand like this Daddy give me a whuppin'.

Weak! You can't handle a situation that you put yourself into & you have to call up for reinforcements from your brothers?

Be a man & stand it alone!

 

[DGM]

I have to tell you Suh .....If they lay hands on me my brothers will call on them to name their seconds.

The last time I talked to a field-hand like this Daddy give me a whuppin'.

All I'm asking for is faith in your convictions (and accusations). Wouldn't that also be called honesty?

 

[aggle-rithm]

First point: engineers DON'T "ask questions". Any secretary, janitor, assembler, inspector, salesman, VP or CEO can ask questions.

Engineers provide answers.

It's about time that you started acting like one.

Excellent point.

Derek, how far do you think "just asking questions" will take you in an engineering career? Won't your employers at some point expect you to produce something?

 

[aggle-rithm]

We wouldn't want that to happen...

So do something about it! Here is your chance to shine Disbelief:

1. ...How did NIST ever land on "The first APPEARED to be...." (re: WTC 7 steel (so FEMA stated but NIST now denies) sample in FEMA App C)? Explain this please.

2. ...Tell me your hypothesis on the apparent (so you imply) "no energy dissipation" through this WTC 7 column steel.

3. ...How did those WTC 7 floor 13 framing beams both buckle and push the intersecting 79 to 44 girder (with or without shear studs, depending on which NIST report you read) off its seat @ column 79? How exactly?

4. ...Help me to understand why NIST is withholding the WTC 7 contract and ancillary construction docs from Ron Brookman S.E., and is denying his FOIA attempts to procure 3,370 files that include: 1. Remaining input and all results files of the ANSYS (FEA) 16-story Case B collapse initiation model. 2. Break element source code, 3. ANSYS scripts files for the break elements, 4. Custom executable ANSYS file, 5. All spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities, and 6. Connection models....why withhold all this?

5. ...And what were the fractions of WTC 7 metal (example 96% Steel, 2% Aluminum, 1% Copper and so forth)? Doesn't have to be precise, ballpark will make my point very well, thank you.

Good luck with all that.

Sorry, this is off-topic. The topic of this thread is "Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas".

There are no ideas here.

 

[bill smith]

All I'm asking for is faith in your convictions (and accusations). Wouldn't that also be called honesty?

I am like the 9/11 commission. I don't want to point the finger and lay bleme on individuals. But I will nod in their direction and I reserve the right to change my mind later.

But that is then and now is now.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I am like the 9/11 commission. I don't want to point the finger and lay bleme on individuals. But I will nod in their direction and I reserve the right to change my mind later.

But that is then and now is now.

Evidence from Truthers then - None!

Evidence from Truthers now - None!

 

[DGM]

I am like the 9/11 commission. I don't want to point the finger and lay bleme on individuals. But I will nod in their direction and I reserve the right to change my mind later.

But that is then and now is now.

I'll let them know your "watching" them.

 

[bill smith]

And...um...where was this "pool" situated?

Think low sweet chariot..

 

[Oystein]

There were 10 MILES of core columns Oystein. Surely you are not going to attemot to tell me that there were 10 MILES of massive core columns in the rubble we have seen ?

I know how much molten steel I am talking about Oystein. THe intact collective weight of the core was around 25,000 tons.

Wow, you got that pretty close!
Now since the core columns were a LOT bigger in the basement than at the top (about factor 13), most of those 25.000 tons were up to the 88th floor. Around 24.000 tons, in fact. 1/3 of that would be 8.000 tons, but as I said, you'd need twice that much (nano-)thermite to melt steel, so we are back at 24.000 tons of slack that we would have to account for.

If you insist on the stupidity of talking about thermite when the subject is NANOthermite- another beast altogether let me tell you then knock yourself out.

Let's see who is stupid here....

The theoretical energy density of Fe2O3+Al thermite is 3.9 kJ/g.
The true energy density of normal (micron-)thermite is close to that value, 3.8-3.9 kJ/g
Now comes the bummer: Since nano-thermite is the same chemicals as normal thermite, its theoretic maximum energy density is still 3.9 kJ/g, but, since the nano sized Al-particles develop 2-4nm of Al-oxide on their surface (this happens always within picoseconds, as soon as normal air is present), the energy density of nano-thermite decreases as particle size decreases by as much as 35%. So nano-thermite has an energy-density of only 2.5-3.3 kJ/g!
You would actually need more nano-thermite than normal thermite!
If you mix your thermite with other substances, the energy density tends to decrease further, unless you mix in traditional organic materials, plus oxigene sources! In which case it isn't thermite anymore that does your work!

I already told you that the building would not fall down from a removal of 30-35% of the core columns.

Why would it fall then? Why waste 16.000 tons of thermite (that's 16.000 delivery trucks, folks!! One delivery truck every minute of every workday of a whole year, 24 hours a day!) if that won't even bring your tower down? What else would you need to bring it down?

Fireproofing is made in part from Portland cement and sometime soon I will show you something that is very interesting.

News at elevety: Amazing discoveries will be announces shortly! E11eventy!!

The missing columns were accounted for in the 'shipping to China' ruubbish. That was only ever a cover for the missing steel.

And there I won my bet

 

[bill smith]

I'll let them know your "watching" them.

That's what propaganda assets are for...lol

 

[DGM]

Think low sweet chariot..

Subway tunnels?

 

[bill smith]

Wow, you got that pretty close!
Now since the core columns were a LOT bigger in the basement than at the top (about factor 13), most of those 25 tons were up to the 88th floor. Around 24 tons, in fact. 1/3 of that would be 8 tons, but as I said, you'd need twice that much (nano-)thermite to melt steel, so we are bach at 24 tons of slack that we would have to account for.



Let's see who is stupid here....

The theoretical energy density of Fe2O3+Al thermite is 3.9 kJ/g.
The true energy density of normal (micron-)thermite is close to that value, 3.8-3.9 kJ/g
Now comes the bummer: Since nano-thermite is the same chemicals as normal thermite, its theoretic maximum energy density is still 3.9 kJ/g, but, since the nano sized Al-particles develop 2-4nm of Al-oxide on their surface (this happens always within picoseconds, as soon as normal air is present), the energy density of nano-thermite decreases as particle size decreases by as much as 35%. So nano-thermite has an energy-density of only 2.5-3.3 kJ/g!
You would actually need more nano-thermite than normal thermite!
If you mix your thermite with other substances, the energy density tends to decrease further, unless you mix in traditional organic materials, plus oxigene sources! In which case it isn't thermite anymore that does your work!



Why would it fall then? Why waste 16.000 tons of thermite (that's 16.000 delivery trucks, folks!!) if that won't even bring your tower down? What else would you need to bring it down?



News at elevety: Amazing discoveries will be announces shortly! E11eventy!!



And there I won my bet

Thank you...that was most gratifying and enjoyable...

 

[bill smith]

Subway tunnels?

I had a brilliant sketch of how the main core columns were attached to the bedrock but I can't seem to find it now. You wouldm't happen to have a copy would you ?

 

[Sabretooth]

Think low sweet chariot..

Have you not already realized how unfathomable and unfounded your story is? Please tell me you're joking.

20,000,000 lbs. of molten iron self-sustaining at over 2,800^oF...from a building that never had fires reaching temps higher than 2,600^oF...?

W. T. F.

 

[Sabretooth]

Wow, you got that pretty close!
Now since the core columns were a LOT bigger in the basement than at the top (about factor 13), most of those 25 tons were up to the 88th floor. Around 24 tons, in fact. 1/3 of that would be 8 tons, but as I said, you'd need twice that much (nano-)thermite to melt steel, so we are bach at 24 tons of slack that we would have to account for.



Let's see who is stupid here....

The theoretical energy density of Fe2O3+Al thermite is 3.9 kJ/g.
The true energy density of normal (micron-)thermite is close to that value, 3.8-3.9 kJ/g
Now comes the bummer: Since nano-thermite is the same chemicals as normal thermite, its theoretic maximum energy density is still 3.9 kJ/g, but, since the nano sized Al-particles develop 2-4nm of Al-oxide on their surface (this happens always within picoseconds, as soon as normal air is present), the energy density of nano-thermite decreases as particle size decreases by as much as 35%. So nano-thermite has an energy-density of only 2.5-3.3 kJ/g!
You would actually need more nano-thermite than normal thermite!
If you mix your thermite with other substances, the energy density tends to decrease further, unless you mix in traditional organic materials, plus oxigene sources! In which case it isn't thermite anymore that does your work!



Why would it fall then? Why waste 16.000 tons of thermite (that's 16.000 delivery trucks, folks!!) if that won't even bring your tower down? What else would you need to bring it down?



News at elevety: Amazing discoveries will be announces shortly! E11eventy!!



And there I won my bet

Thank you...that was most gratifying and enjoyable...

LOL...in other words...he didn't understand it.