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Invitation to Derek Johnson to discuss his ideas

bill smith said:
Slowly slowly catchee monkey Sabretooth.
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Fact filled, this will help Derek. You post delusions, Derek posts delusions; did you both train at the same 911 truth cult camp?

nano-thermite has 4 times less energy than paper - like brining a knife to a gun fight

10 times less than jet fuel! 10 times less than burning plastic. You have delusions, you can help make Derek's delusions dumber!

FAILURE
 
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Derek Johnson said:
Cut the blather Tom and get to the questions.

You can do it.
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It's enlightening that you consider all of that "blather".

Someday you may learn otherwise.

Meanwhile, I DID get to the first question. Apparently you missed it.

Here it is again:

tfk said:
Lesson #1. You will never arrive at the right answer unless you carefully, precisely state the question.

NOBODY, except truthers (including you), has said "4000 tons of steel from floors 7-14 offered no resistance to the 1G descent for 2.25 seconds..."

Let's see you give it another try.

Restate the question. PRECISELY.
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I'm waiting for you to state the problem competently.

tom
 
Derek Johnson said:
Help me to understand why NIST is withholding the WTC 7 contract and ancillary construction docs from Ron Brookman S.E., and is denying his FOIA attempts to procure 3,370 files that include:

1. Remaining input and all results files of the ANSYS (FEA) 16-story Case B collapse initiation model

2. Break element source code

3. ANSYS scripts files for the break elements

4. Custom executable ANSYS file

5. All spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.

6. Connection models

Pointing me to more NIST woo does not make your case. Answering my questions (that remain unanswered, fyi) takes effort. Effort that hitherto remains unseen.

Thanks,
Derek
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Ahhh, famous post number 905. Derek does not agree that NIST was correct in denying release of the documents based on the finding that to do would jeopardize public safety. We know that Derek very much enjoys arguing from incredulity.

He has posted NIST’s response to the FOIA numerous times.

In so doing, he must of course be aware that he and his hero have recourse to the Federal Courts. Federal courts have jurisdiction to "enjoin the agency from withholding agency records" 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(4)(B).

"An agency seeking to withhold information under an exemption to FOIA has the burden of proving that the information falls under the claimed exemption." GC Micro Corp. v. Defense Logistics Agency, 33 F.3d 1109, 1113 (9th Cir. 1994); see also Lewis v. IRS, 823 F.2d 375, 378 (9th Cir.1987).

What is the staus of the litigation in the Federal Courts, Derek?
 
tfk said:
It's enlightening that you consider all of that "blather".

Someday you may learn otherwise.

Meanwhile, I DID get to the first question. Apparently you missed it.

Here it is again:



I'm waiting for you to state the problem competently.

tom
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To observe all due decorum I suggest you couch your technical questions in more prpfessional respectful terms. This childishness of yours is tiresome.
 
T.A.M. said:
Well the esteemed truther physicist steven jones was cornered into making a statement to that effect by dr. Greening.....apparently the thermite was used only as a fuse for traditional explosives....according to an email jones sent back to greening.

TAM:)
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Of course.
That whole thermite-nonsense started, when a few truthers with half a brain intact (that would actually include Dr. S. Jones :D) realized that the controlled-demolition-lunacy was silly on its face - no BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG = no explosive demolition. End of story.
So they thought and thought and thought how one could start a building collapse without BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG, and without a slow-working fire.
And then it hit them: Lets invent a fast-working fire! And somebody remembered firebombs from WW2. Where thermite starts the fire.
Yeah! Thermite be our saviour! They looked up Thermite on Wikipedia and found that it is made of rust and aluminium and may also contain other very simple molecules, all abundandly present in every building of the modern world. Great! We should be able to find some rust and some aluminium close together if we just keep searching high and low!
And that's how the thermite delusion started: As some silent thing that might, in some folks' imagination, might destroy steel structures quicky.
But then it was handed back to them: Thermite burns too slowly. It is not easily ignited and can't be controlled very well. It gets so hot that it melts, and you can't keep it horizontally attached to something in large quantities. It would leave large pools of slack. No one has ever demolished anything with thermite. Etc. etc.
Dang! How to solve this? So they did a little investigoogling, and found some brand-new articles about ongoing research. They found that if you grind the thermite to nano-size, it ignites more easily, and burns quicker, and - yeah! - can even burn so quickly that it "explodes"!
And this way, the truther lore evolved back to explosives. Why? Because in the meantime, they have claimed that some paint they found was thermite! They suddenly had to explain thermite, just to save face, although they had already realized that thermite can't be used to destroy buildings.
And it was still true that explosions are not the answer, because there simply were no explosions.
So what to do with that thermite...
Alright. Use them as fuses. For what, we'll tell you after our next booze-happy truther brainstorm.
 
bill smith said:
To observe all due decorum I suggest you couch your technical questions in more prpfessional respectful terms. This childishness of yours is tiresome.
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I don't think you understand. Derek is presenting himself as an engineer except he wants nothing to do with science. His question is loaded and presumes conditions that he can (of has) not shown to be true.

That's not how an engineer works, that's how someone that's selling something works.
 
bill smith said:
To observe all due decorum I suggest you couch your technical questions in more prpfessional respectful terms. This childishness of yours is tiresome.
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Hey, bill! Are you going to answer my question?

How hot do you suppose 10k tons of liquid steel would have to be and how do suppose the temperature reached and sustained that mark?
 
Not at all Oystein. What you do is you pump the nanothermite into the nollow interior of the core columns. This can be done very discreetly by say painters or any of a number of types of technical personnel. It could even be done while one of them stood chatting with a secretary in the WTC Towers.

Even all of Harrit's 100 tons of nanothermite could be planted in this way and no one would be any the wiser. Tell me it couldn't be done in this way.
 
bill smith said:
Not at all Oystein. What you do is you pump the nanothermite into the nollow interior of the core columns. This can be done very discreetly by say painters or any of a number of types of technical personnel. It could even be done while one of them stood chatting with a secretary in the WTC Towers.

Even all of Harrit's 100 tons of nanothermite could be planted in this way and no one would be any the wiser. Tell me it couldn't be done in this way.
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bill smith said:
Not at all Oystein. What you do is you pump the nanothermite into the nollow interior of the core columns. This can be done very discreetly by say painters or any of a number of types of technical personnel. It could even be done while one of them stood chatting with a secretary in the WTC Towers.

Even all of Harrit's 100 tons of nanothermite could be planted in this way and no one would be any the wiser. Tell me it couldn't be done in this way.
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Thermite has 10 times less energy than jet fuel, plastic, and 4 times less than paper.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You spew nonsense, and that is exactly what this thread is about, the nonsense from Derek, is the stuff you love, lies and delusions.

If you were going to weaken a steel building by fire or heat, you would use office contents, paper, and fuel oil. You would have to be an idiot to use thermite to bring down a building which will collapse due to fires not fought.

No water, no fire fighting; buildings will be destroyed. Even building where fires are fought have been totaled by fire; you ignore them and make up incredibility idiotic lies.

And you are trying to help Derek; he needs it, but his claims fail on their own, he does not need you to help them fail at speeds greater than free-fall.
 
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Derek Johnson said:
tfk said:
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PS. Wimps & charlatans will take what I've written, get their panties all in a bunch and run away crying about "disrespect" & "self-esteem".

People who hope to be engineers some day will stand up, take their licks & address the technical issues.

Let's see what you do...
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Cut the blather Tom and get to the questions.

You can do it.
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Wimp & charlatan.
 
bill smith said:
Not at all Oystein. What you do is you pump the nanothermite into the nollow interior of the core columns. This can be done very discreetly by say painters or any of a number of types of technical personnel. It could even be done while one of them stood chatting with a secretary in the WTC Towers.

Even all of Harrit's 100 tons of nanothermite could be planted in this way and no one would be any the wiser. Tell me it couldn't be done in this way.
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Where are these "painters or any of a number of types of technical personnel"?
 
Derek Johnson said:
Excuses, excuses. Y'all are good at that.
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Reminds me of a sweet dialogue from "Two and a half men" that I saw the other day:

Alan: "Mum, you never even tried to pretend empathy!"

Mum: "What? But I did pretend, all the time! And how!"
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So let me be Alan: "Derek, you don't even try to pretend making excuses."
 
sabretooth47 said:
Hey, bill! Are you going to answer my question?

How hot do you suppose 10k tons of liquid steel would have to be and how do suppose the temperature reached and sustained that mark?
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A 10,000-ton pool of molten iron, well insulated from outside factors and without any metal heatsink to dissipate it's enormous temperature of perhaps 3,5000 degrees will cool very very slowly.

Molten iron cools in flecks on the surface which slowly join up to form a skin. Once the skin has formed everything inside is protected from outside cooling factors other than the poor conduction of the rubble pile. So the heat ignited the bits of broken computer and carpets and so on above it in the pile and sustained those smaller fires despite the constant hosing down with water of the rubble. It took almost six months for the pool to cool down in the end.

Remember the fireman who said 'The further we go down the hotter it gets '
 
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bs said:
To observe all due decorum I suggest you couch your technical questions in more prpfessional respectful terms. This childishness of yours is tiresome.
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LMAO...

My statement was professional, precise & exactly on point.

tfk said:
Lesson #1. You will never arrive at the right answer unless you carefully, precisely state the question.

NOBODY, except truthers (including you), has said "4000 tons of steel from floors 7-14 offered no resistance to the 1G descent for 2.25 seconds..."

Let's see you give it another try.

Restate the question. PRECISELY.
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And, buried about 1/4" below the surface of the question is the trivially simple answer to Derek's "giant engineering mystery".

Now, I have a suggestion for you. The engineers are talking. Time for trolls, children and the utterly clueless to be hush.


tom
 
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bill smith said:
A 10,000-ton pool of molten iron, well insulated from outside factors and without any metal heatsink to dissipate it's enormous temperature of perhaps 3,5000 degrees will cool very very slowly.

Molten iron cools in dlecks on the surface which slowly join up to form a skin. Once the skin has formed everything inside is protected from outside cooling factors other than the poor conduction of the rubble pile. So the heat ignited the bits of broken computer and carpets and so on above it in the pile and sustained those smaller fires despite the constant hosing down with water of the rubble. It took almost six months to cool doown in the end.

Remember the fireman who said 'The further we go down the hotter it gets '
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How many people do you think were involved in the cover-up of this (now solidified) "pool"?
 
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