He does not discuss his claims, he asks questions. An engineer answers his own questions using research. He can't explain flowing steel with any rational answers, so he ignores it, but uses claims of flowing steel to support his delusion of CD. He does not understand fire, so he can't discuss it. He only asks questions; he is 911 truth.
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No a single question you asked will help your CD delusion. Better try harder to present evidence and not ask stupid questions which look like they were made up by someone on drugs. Are you upset you can't prove your moronic claims on 911?
Where is your evidence. You ask the dumbest questions. EXAMPLE:
Derek, how many UPS were in the WTC complex? Why do you ask questions when you can't answer them? What fraction of what was what?
You know there were no rivers of steel, so you ask real dumb questions?
The mental melted in the WTC were metals that melt in office fires and plane crashes. I have found pools of metal at aircraft crash sites. So you and 911 truth take the statements of metal seen and turn it into failed delusions of CD. Melted piles of metal are what you find in fires; I found one in my fire pit, it was a disk drive case, the Al melted into a glob. I can say I found molten, melted, metal in my fire pit. I can place steel in my fire pit and it glows, that is molten steel, glowing steel, but it is not melted flowing in a river.
You CD claims are based on fantasy you made up. Not a thing you can do will make your fantasy become reality. No matter how dumb and off topic your questions are, they will not fix your failure to have evidence for your claims of the big inside job. 9 years of failure, what do you do for an encore? I know, ask more questions.
Are you unable to grasp the corroded piece of steel? This is funny, you zero in on a single sample of steel which was corroded, and you think it is proof of some wild claim you dream up. If it was thermite there would be big globs of iron fused to the steel, not corrosion due to acid, or other things all present in the WTC complex; but no thermite. The thermite paper was made up and the samples of dust were not nano-thermite. But Jones also thinks the USA caused the Haiti earthquake with some unknown weapon. Insanity is clearly behind the thermite claim; do you need to see Jones first letter on thermite; he was nuts then, and now Gage has picked up the lie and is making money. How many has Gage fooled with his moronic rant?
What fraction of total building metal? And WTC 7 is your field of study, and you have to ask idiotic questions like this to support your point? You have not point! What is your point?
How many disk drives were in WTC 7?
How many UPS were in WTC 7?
How many feet of copper wire and size were in WTC 7?
How many computer cases were in WTC 7?
How many chairs with Al were in WTC 7?
If you have the CD delusion, you have no point.
Your questions will not support any of your points on 911.
Hand over the construction documents! Give me 350,000 dollars; thank you. This answers one of the moronic questions.
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With all the effort you spent on another manic drivel-fest, how about just answering the questions I raised in 905, 909 and 915 (and reminded you to just answer in 917, 920, 922, 931, and now 943).
You don't realize this yet, but I see a beachnut revelation right around the corner. Let me give you a head start with the metal fractions question (#5).
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/CSEC/Salvarinas_1986.pdf
I'll go ahead and repost the questions for your convenience as well, buddy.
1. ...How did NIST ever land on "The first APPEARED to be...." (re: WTC 7 steel (so FEMA stated but NIST now denies) sample in FEMA App C)? Explain this please.
2. ...Tell me your hypothesis on the apparent (so you imply) "no energy dissipation" through this WTC 7 column steel.
3. ...How did those WTC 7 floor 13 framing beams both buckle and push the intersecting 79 to 44 girder (with or without shear studs, depending on which NIST report you read) off its seat @ column 79? How exactly?
4. ...Help me to understand why NIST is withholding the WTC 7 contract and ancillary construction docs from Ron Brookman S.E., and is denying his FOIA attempts to procure 3,370 files that include: 1. Remaining input and all results files of the ANSYS (FEA) 16-story Case B collapse initiation model. 2. Break element source code, 3. ANSYS scripts files for the break elements, 4. Custom executable ANSYS file, 5. All spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities, and 6. Connection models....why withhold all this?
5. ...And what were the fractions of WTC 7 metal (example 96% Steel, 2% Aluminum, 1% Copper and so forth)? Doesn't have to be precise, ballpark will make my point very well, thank you.
Thanks!
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What is your point? CD? There was no CD on 911, no thermite. You have a delusional claim and you can't support it with facts so you ask stupid questions.
Answer you own question; if you can't it is indicative of your inability to understand 911 and why you resort to fantasy. Next you will say the laws of physics were broken on 911.
I answered number 4; why does 911 truth have problems with comprehension.
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That's a joke.
Questions posed in 905, 909 and 915 (and reminded you to just answer in 917, 920, 922, 931, 943 and now 945).
Not good so far beachnut
Major failure.
There are some twoofs that might surf to this thread and see you with your tar and feathers and all if you don't just go on and send this twoof back to where he came from by answering my simple questions.
I didn't seek this, TFK harangued me for weeks for this "enlightening" experience.
So far, this forums' participant's debunking ability is a *bad word briefly considered but withheld* joke. TFK promised me that all my 9-11 structural-related question would be answered.
Will they be?
The joke is PrisonPlanet covers your events of fantasy and delusions. When you make it at PrisonPlanet, you know you have woo.
555, 234, 111, 321, 233, 443
Derek, you can't answer your own questions, and you can't back up your claims with evidence. 9 years of failure. Now what? Only a few morons will believe your claims since you fail to provide evidence or proof. You seem hung up on NIST, and WTC 7, not even a target of the terrorists you apologize for.
WWJD? He would answer his own questions and stop spreading lies. And he would not SPAM the forum with delusional claims.
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Questions posed in 905, 909 and 915 (and reminded you to just answer in 917, 920, 922, 931, 943, 945 and 948).
We are approaching 1000, and still, no JREFer able to handle basic questions concerning basic laws of physics. Of course I'll enjoy it like nobody's business when someone finally gets around to it, some day. The time will come, question ducking buddy.
Tick tock...
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This Derek Johnson fellow strikes me as a virtual carbon copy of Christopher7.
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I've answered them. And I'll answer them again.
He's showing me what looks like bronze or copper alloys. I've melted bronze in a cupola, but mostly steel. He's suggesting otherwise, but the two have a different appearance....dross forms differently, etc.
His problems, and the problem with the premise of the questions is contained in my question #5. Will you be brave and answer it? You better believe it is a setup.
It appears that a lot of people witnessed molten metal, many of these, including firefighters said "molten steel" and seemed sure of using the term. TFK claimed this was lead, tin, and aluminum. Others say glass. USGS has some pretty hot surface temps for a while after the fact, and the underground tunnels are not able to provide the required oxygen (in the air) to stoke the pile like you want to support your "theory". My friend Jason was there in late October, November, December...but did not access ground zero. Very few did, according to hum. Jason is one of the best welders around, and he drove one of the "recycling" trucks. We worked on the Troop Medical Facility on Ft. Hood. Anyway Jason's truck had a GPS, he was issued cell phone, given a strict route to the port, no talking to strangers, he was timed and odometer noted on each end. Jason confirmed to me in 2007 that it was common to hear people talk about the ends of beams, columns, spandrels, W shapes etc glowing/dripping or otherwise being inordinately hot when they were being pulled out. He heard 2nd hand molten steel accounts throughout his time recycling WTC steel from ground 0 to the port. The 246 retained peices (fresh kills) were hand picked, over 99% of the site steel...and 100% of WTC 7 steel was quickly shipped to Boa Steel.
TFK's basis for Al, Sn, Pb is unfounded, and #5 will make this obvious.
Now you buddy.
1. ...How did NIST ever land on "The first APPEARED to be...." (re: WTC 7 steel (so FEMA stated but NIST now denies) sample in FEMA App C)? Explain this please.
2. ...Tell me your hypothesis on the apparent (so you imply) "no energy dissipation" through this WTC 7 column steel.
3. ...How did those WTC 7 floor 13 framing beams both buckle and push the intersecting 79 to 44 girder (with or without shear studs, depending on which NIST report you read) off its seat @ column 79? How exactly?
4. ...Help me to understand why NIST is withholding the WTC 7 contract and ancillary construction docs from Ron Brookman S.E., and is denying his FOIA attempts to procure 3,370 files that include: 1. Remaining input and all results files of the ANSYS (FEA) 16-story Case B collapse initiation model. 2. Break element source code, 3. ANSYS scripts files for the break elements, 4. Custom executable ANSYS file, 5. All spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities, and 6. Connection models....why withhold all this?
5. ...And what were the fractions of WTC 7 metal (example 96% Steel, 2% Aluminum, 1% Copper and so forth)? Doesn't have to be precise, ballpark will make my point very well, thank you.
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There are more twoofies here?
How about you, would you be brave enough to answer some basic questions for me, please?
Thanks!
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Very convincing. Thank you.
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Carlos, great question. And I want to play ball, but first help me out with the questions posed in 905, 909 and 915 (and gently reminded others to just answer in 917, 920, 922, 931, 943, 945, 948 and now 955) would ya?
Thanks bud.
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There were and are no eyewitness to molten metal in the pile at WTC. All quotes are second hand.
We've been over this before and yet you continue to make statements that fail to make that clear.
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It's a matter of the public safety Derek as NIST have officially said. Perhaps release of that documentation would cause rioting in the streets and frighten the horses.
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All 5 please. Thanks buddy.
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Name them, you should have the names on hand by now. If you put this claim in a paper you'd have to put names and sources in the footnotes.
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Hey Bill. If they OCT twoofs read anything, it should be this. Not that this will pursuade them...but it's fun to listen to them squeal like stuck pigs. This is one such poker...enjoy.
http://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf
FOIA officer to Ron Brookman S.E.
“January 26, 2010
Dear Mr. Brookman, This letter is in response to your Jan 1, 2010 FOIA #10-037 request to NIST in which you requested a copy of ‘the structural calculations or ANSYS analysis results that substantiate the walk-off failures at columns 79 and 81.’
Enclosed you will find a disc that contains 8,910 files that can be released and are responsive to your request. The files on the disc contain input files of a version of the 16-story ANSYS model of the WTC 7 structure, which does not include the connection models and was analyzed with service gravity loads, and Case B temperature files.
We are, however, withholding 3,370 files.
The NIST Director determined that the release of these data might jeopardize public safety. This withheld data include the remaining input and all results files of the ANSYS 16-story Case B collapse initiation model, break element source code. ANSYS scripts files for the break elements, custom executable ANSYS file, and all spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.
Sincerely, Catherine S. Fletcher, Freedom of Information Act Officer.”
http://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf
And Ron Brookman's S.E. shot back:
"Dear Editor:
The complete collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) was highly anomalous—that's why it is critical for building design and construction professionals to understand it. Freedom of Information Act requests for structural-analysis data have been denied because the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Director determined that release of the data might jeopardize public safety. I asked the Director:
How, in the Director's judgment, is the release of calculations and analysis results—developed at the taxpayers' expense for a building that no longer exists—a threat to public safety?"
And Dr. NIST's reply:
"The decision to withhold the data was based on the fact that the capabilities of the WTC 7 collapse initiation and global collapse models are unprecedented, in that they provide validated models that can predict collapse of typical tall buildings. If released, these models would provide a powerful tool to groups and individuals interested in simulating building collapses and devising ways to destroy buildings."
http://www.seaonc.org/pdfs/SEAONC_September_2010.pdf
You couldn't make that up if you tried. PT Barnum and Mandrake the Magician couldn't outdo that.