Mossad Chief: Israel becoming a burden for the USA

[Skeptic]

Evidence?

You're asking a holocaust denier for evidence for anything?

Here's a more useful activity.

 

[Skeptic]

I'm very comfortable with whatever conclusions people draw when comparing you and I.

Yes, but that's a bit like being comfortable of being judged thinner than the the fat lady in the circus, or being certain people will reach the conclusion you're better looking than the elephant man.

 

[bigjelmapro]

As you know from the Geneva convention killing anyone in the occupied territories without trial and the protections of law is murder. Israel murdered the Yassin. It was Israel that aided him personally in establishing Hamas.

Good that you gave up the Klinghoffer correlation.

Good that you gave up pretending that Yassin was a helpless guy in a wheelchair who didn't establish Hamas in 1987 that murdered Israeli civilians in their terrorist operations.

Now all we need to get past is how the leader of a terrorist organization who posed a direct threat to Israelis deserves the rights of a 'lawful combatant' under GC or any statute/law and is not a 'lawful target' (as you would say for Israeli civilians in the WB) for the IDF.

Source this direct 'aiding' of Israel to Yassin. As in actual proof, not the wishful and unfounded allegations by that CT'er you provided.

I have only the 4th Geneva Convention on my side. Against you is your apparent inability to read it.

Then you can quote it to specifically state what you have been claiming it states at any time now.

 

[Mycroft]

Yes, but that's a bit like being comfortable of being judged thinner than the the fat lady in the circus, or being certain people will reach the conclusion you're better looking than the elephant man.

A bit, yes. But the fat lady knows she's fat and the elephant man knows he's not handsome. In this case, the ignorant one doesn't seem to know of his ignorance.

 

[Matt Giwer]

Matt- the Israeli occupation of the West Bank is legal. It is legal because Jordan gave up ALL responsibility and rights to the land in 1987. They gave it to the PLO.

Now its up to the PLO/PA and Israel to negotiate the final status of the West Bank.

Some day I might find someone who knows what he is talking about instead of shilling for that pissant country.

The only pretense for a lawful is for a military purpose. There was only a claim to a military purpose when there was a state of war with Jordan. When the peace treaty was signed ALL basis for a lawful occupation went away.

You should remember the idiotic justification for the squattertowns was they were cannon fodder for the defense of Israel.

This is not to suggest that the occupation was ever conducted in a lawful manner. The occupied people have an absolute right to resist any occupation conducted in an unlawful manner. The squattertowns unlawful, period.

READ the 4th Geneva convention for the first time. There is nothing lawful about it down to maiming children for throwing stones.

 

[Matt Giwer]

Never said the police was a threat to Israel. Its the terrorist elements within the WB, be it Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, etc. who have attacked Israelis in Israel proper and in these settlement blocs.

As we all know the criminal squatters have absolutely no right to be in the West Bank.

But somehow you interpreted this to mean that I was referring to a threat of traffic police? Nice one.

Once there's a non-belligerency agreement signed and terrorist organizations are quelled in the WB by the PA and the IDF, then there would be no need for Israel to reside, apart from the settlement blocs with the land swaps, in the West bank.

Capiche? Finally?

Victims have an absolute right to attack criminals caught in the act of perpetrating a crime even if their crime is living in the West Bank and even if they claim to be Chosenites.

Why do you keep defending these criminals? Do you not know what happened when Germany settled its citizens in what the world occupied Poland? Even though Germany considered it part of Germany it was still a hanging offense for the leaders and a vengeance-taking forced march for the perps.

They are criminals in international law. Every nation in the world holds them to be criminals. Not one nation in the world recognizes the squattertowns in the West Bank and occupied Jerusalem as lawful.

Are you ready to explain to nearly 200 nations including the US that they are wrong and the squatters are not criminals? Would you like to run your argument passed me so I can have the first laugh?

 

[Matt Giwer]

Good that you gave up the Klinghoffer correlation.

Good that you gave up pretending that Yassin was a helpless guy in a wheelchair who didn't establish Hamas in 1987 that murdered Israeli civilians in their terrorist operations.

Now all we need to get past is how the leader of a terrorist organization who posed a direct threat to Israelis deserves the rights of a 'lawful combatant' under GC or any statute/law and is not a 'lawful target' (as you would say for Israeli civilians in the WB) for the IDF.

I quoted the section of the 4th Geneva Convention which makes his death an act of murder by Israel. Have you found an exception to that convention?

 

[Thunder]

The only pretense for a lawful is for a military purpose. There was only a claim to a military purpose when there was a state of war with Jordan. When the peace treaty was signed ALL basis for a lawful occupation went away.

um...except for the FACT that Jordan disavowed any rights or responsibilities for the West Bank, and gave them all to the PLO.

what does that mean? that means that Israel is allowed to and obligated to occupy and oversee the West Bank until a peace treaty is signed with the PLO.

its called international law. read about it.

 

[bit_pattern]

We're making progress. Jordan signed an agreement of non-belligerency, as did Egypt. The PA has not.
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Yeah, land for peace - not peace for land.

 

[Matt Giwer]

um...except for the FACT that Jordan disavowed any rights or responsibilities for the West Bank, and gave them all to the PLO.

what does that mean? that means that Israel is allowed to and obligated to occupy and oversee the West Bank until a peace treaty is signed with the PLO.

its called international law. read about it.

You are invited to cite the international law which supports your fantasy statement.

PLEASE tell me EXACTLY what to read and preferably you quote it as I have done with the 4th Geneva Convention.

Also please reconcile hundreds of thousands of criminal Israeli Jews living in criminal squattertowns and East Jerusalem as an obligation upon Israel to conduct a criminal occupation.

 

[Matt Giwer]

Yeah, land for peace - not peace for land.

Total land for total peace.

 

[Matt Giwer]

Yeah, land for peace - not peace for land.

Land for peace.

Total land for total peace.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Yeah, land for peace - not peace for land.

And supposedly the issue of the Sinai is interchangeable with the land disputes in the WB. Another weak correlation.

 

[bigjelmapro]

I quoted the section of the 4th Geneva Convention which makes his death an act of murder by Israel. Have you found an exception to that convention?

What section? You've quoted nothing.

Targetted killing of an active and known terrorist doesn't count as a protected civilian, quite the contrary.

 

[Matt Giwer]

What section? You've quoted nothing.

Targetted killing of an active and known terrorist doesn't count as a protected civilian, quite the contrary.

All executions without a trial and the full protections of law are considered murder. There are no exceptions in the treaty. If you disagree, cite the exception.

RTFC!

Read The Fine Convention.

 

[bigjelmapro]

All executions without a trial and the full protections of law are considered murder. There are no exceptions in the treaty. If you disagree, cite the exception.

RTFC!

Read The Fine Convention.

So you found the section yet? As in terming Yassin as a protected person or anything for that matter.

 

[Matt Giwer]

So you found the section yet? As in terming Yassin as a protected person or anything for that matter.

A protected person is one who is no longer engaged in active combat. You have certainly read that. A paraplegic, once supported by Israel, is never engaged in active combat. A paraplegic who is also a spiritual leader in never engaged in active combat.

But if you are saying the rabbis in Israel who are teaching the admissibility of war crimes for the IDF are also legitimate targets for extermination then you have a case for Yassin.

But then you must justify those murdered in the same attack which managed to murder someone who was not engaged in active combat and thus a protected person.

 

[bigjelmapro]

So you found the quote yet Matt?

And pfft, rabbis teach in the IDF? News to me.

Get back when you can somehow manage to get Yassin classified under the, yet to be sourced, GC of a protected person.

 

[Matt Giwer]

So you found the quote yet Matt?

And pfft, rabbis teach in the IDF? News to me.

Get back when you can somehow manage to get Yassin classified under the, yet to be sourced, GC of a protected person.

Paraplegics are not engaged in combat.

If religious folks who advocate violence there are several dozen rabbis in Israel who are equally open to justifiable murder.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Paraplegics are not engaged in combat.

If religious folks who advocate violence there are several dozen rabbis in Israel who are equally open to justifiable murder.

So Yassin wasn't the leader of Hamas and their terrorist wing now? Didn't order attacks on Israelis?

Found that GC article that states that people in wheelchairs are automatically protected people even whilst leading a terrorist group and actively partaking in terrorist attacks?

Anyday now....