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A Qur'an Got Burnt at 9/11 Mosque Protest
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Who are 'they'?
Cainkane1
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Cainkane1
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I disagree with what he did but if he bought the book I guess he can do what he wants to do with it. He doesn't deserve to die he just deserves to be ignored.
My problem with Thunder's post is that he said he wants this guy to have a death wish on him:
which means Thunder thinks burning a Qur'an, which is a stupid and unnecessary act, is punishable by death, only he doesn't want to do it himself, he wants Muslim extremists to do it for him (a suggestion which is in and of itself disrespectful to all the other moderate Muslims).
He thinks burning a book is morally equivalent to having a death wish called on someone.
The Fool and Bit Pattern didn't seem to be offended by that.
You don't get it Skeptic. As I just explained to RSLancastr, Thunder doesn't want to kill this guy, he wants other people to do it for him, the extremists. That's what they're here for right?
See?
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what is your definition of Fatwa?
^This.
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don't lie about my posts. its bad for your reputation here at JREF.
OK, then I ask you again (for the fourth time I think): What did you mean when you said "I hope he gets a fatwa" and "Yeah, put a fatwa on his Nazi ass."?
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No they aren't. In another recent thread, someone posted figures about terrorist attacks. France had something like 3 Muslim terrorist attacks, compared to 250 by separatist organizations. Other countries had similar figures.
Now indeed, Corsicans I would be highly afraid of. We have concrete historical evidence that they are able to plunge the whole of Europe into 15 to 20 years of continual war and oppression.
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so you know better than him what he actually said. I think that might get you one million......
A'isha
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Hey, there's an easy way to resolve this.
We know that a fatwa is really just a decision made about a point of Islamic law. Thunder apparently agrees with that now, though he described them as "religious opinions", which is not exact but close enough for the purposes of this thread.
Now all Thunder needs to do is explain just what specific "religious opinion" he thinks should be applied to this guy's "Nazi ass", and what he hopes the results of the application of that "religious opinion" will be.
We know that a fatwa is really just a decision made about a point of Islamic law. Thunder apparently agrees with that now, though he described them as "religious opinions", which is not exact but close enough for the purposes of this thread.
Now all Thunder needs to do is explain just what specific "religious opinion" he thinks should be applied to this guy's "Nazi ass", and what he hopes the results of the application of that "religious opinion" will be.
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no, really? thats nothing new, but this time you want to interpret somehow that he means the guy should be killed, which would actually not really fit his posting history.
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I spent around nine months in Iraq. The vast majority of that time I lived on a JSS, a "Joint security station". Think of it as a tiny forward operating base, staffed with both coalition forces, and also was staffed by Iraqi National Police and locals hired as interpreters. We did have enemy fighters in the area: They were pretty intent on making sure they did their level best to kill us all. They failed, I'm happy to say, none of our people of any unit on that JSS died during the time I was there, though it were not due to lack of effort on the insurgents' behalf.
My position there got me a lot of contact with the locals and the national police. A LOT. I still remember my first time "out of the wire" and will likely remember it until the day I die. It was my first time in theatre, and I was nervous. I knew only tiny little bits of arabic that I'd struggled to learn prior to my arrival, and knew little of either their religion or their culture. So here comes mission one, out of the wire. We were tasked to do a tour of sorts, checking up on all the various checkpoints run by the NPs to see if they were having any trouble and if they needed anything equipment-wise. It wasn't long before we had a small crowd of locals around along with the NP's running the checkpoint. All of them were friendly people. I learned then of the extent of the average Iraqi's command of english (pretty good!). I was designated a nickname on the spot as well. I had a large mustache, borderline in violation of military regulations, but I grew it as I had the impression that facial hair made you respectable. Anyways, I was given the name "Abu Schuwarab", literally "Father of the mustache". It was a name I answered to for the duration of my tour. It wasn't long before one of the village elders invited us into his home. (The front gate to his property was right at the checkpoint) That was also my first introduction to Iraqi Chai (tea). They serve it to you in a tall shotglass at about a thousand degrees with about a quarter inch of sugar in the bottom. It's very good and strong.
Anyways, let me summarize before I ramble too much: I met and worked with a good number of the locals there. The vast majority of the ones I knew were muslim in the same way many in my home area in the 'States are christian or catholic; It's the mask you wear in public in order to better fit with your community. They weren't fanatical or even particularly devout. Almost every home I was invited into had booze stashed somewhere, and anyone who had a cell phone (The locals in my area ALL had one. Sometimes two or three!) had porn on it. Definitely un-muslim, but there you go. And they weren't too different than us. There's some cultural differences, of course. We don't have Nahia meetings in the 'States, for example. But by and large their concerns mirror our own; We want to live comfortably, provide for our families, and enjoy time with our friends.
I'll even go so far as to say I plan on returning there as a tourist one day, when things there calm down and I can do so safely.
My position there got me a lot of contact with the locals and the national police. A LOT. I still remember my first time "out of the wire" and will likely remember it until the day I die. It was my first time in theatre, and I was nervous. I knew only tiny little bits of arabic that I'd struggled to learn prior to my arrival, and knew little of either their religion or their culture. So here comes mission one, out of the wire. We were tasked to do a tour of sorts, checking up on all the various checkpoints run by the NPs to see if they were having any trouble and if they needed anything equipment-wise. It wasn't long before we had a small crowd of locals around along with the NP's running the checkpoint. All of them were friendly people. I learned then of the extent of the average Iraqi's command of english (pretty good!). I was designated a nickname on the spot as well. I had a large mustache, borderline in violation of military regulations, but I grew it as I had the impression that facial hair made you respectable. Anyways, I was given the name "Abu Schuwarab", literally "Father of the mustache". It was a name I answered to for the duration of my tour. It wasn't long before one of the village elders invited us into his home. (The front gate to his property was right at the checkpoint) That was also my first introduction to Iraqi Chai (tea). They serve it to you in a tall shotglass at about a thousand degrees with about a quarter inch of sugar in the bottom. It's very good and strong.
Anyways, let me summarize before I ramble too much: I met and worked with a good number of the locals there. The vast majority of the ones I knew were muslim in the same way many in my home area in the 'States are christian or catholic; It's the mask you wear in public in order to better fit with your community. They weren't fanatical or even particularly devout. Almost every home I was invited into had booze stashed somewhere, and anyone who had a cell phone (The locals in my area ALL had one. Sometimes two or three!) had porn on it. Definitely un-muslim, but there you go. And they weren't too different than us. There's some cultural differences, of course. We don't have Nahia meetings in the 'States, for example. But by and large their concerns mirror our own; We want to live comfortably, provide for our families, and enjoy time with our friends.
I'll even go so far as to say I plan on returning there as a tourist one day, when things there calm down and I can do so safely.