A Qur'an Got Burnt at 9/11 Mosque Protest

[timf1234]

atm, surely, that was different once and will be different in future.

Of course, in the future may be Muslims will revise their quran. May be Alien will kill us all.
But we are living now, we are talking about now.
We are comparing the value system, human mind's operating system, the things we consider to be right or wrong, good or bad, true or false, of
1) 2.5 billion Christians
2) 1 billion Hindu
3) 1.5 billion Muslims
add more of your choice.

Tell me who are the problematic?
Do one needs a doctorate degree to figure this out?

But Western liberal's mental disorder loves to cover it up.
Western liberals are appeasing the Muslims. It is like feeding the crocodile hoping it will eat you the last. Good luck liberals.

 

[timf1234]

http://quran.com/2/191

Sahih International
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Muhsin Khan
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

that sounds like defense to me, not to you?

Your trick as Islamic appologetic won't fly any more. slowly but surely West is finding our more about true nature of Islam. No wonder over 70% of US are against building a mosque at ground zero.
You can't fool us any more. You can try taqiya but you will fail.

Yuur interpretation is rejected by most Muslims.
Look around, Muslims are following the interpretation I gave you. Look around, the world is burning by Islamic filth.

 

[DC]

Of course, in the future may be Muslims will revise their quran. May be Alien will kill us all.
But we are living now, we are talking about now.
We are comparing the value system, human mind's operating system, the things we consider to be right or wrong, good or bad, true or false, of
1) 2.5 billion Christians
2) 1 billion Hindu
3) 1.5 billion Muslims
add more of your choice.

Tell me who are the problematic?
Do one needs a doctorate degree to figure this out?

But Western liberal's mental disorder loves to cover it up.
Western liberals are appeasing the Muslims. It is like feeding the crocodile hoping it will eat you the last. Good luck liberals.

appeasing, nonsense.

i just do not blame the deeds of a few on a huge group that did nothing wrong.

the fast majority of muslims here doe not cause any troubles at all. they live their live, work, raise a family etc. They contribute to our society just as everyone else does. There are a few that cause problem, those are geting dealt with. why would i have to blame the rest of the 1.5 billion people that believe in the same fantasy creature?

that would be pure bigotery and would be a extremist way of thinking.

 

[Travis]

To: Thunder and other Islamofacist sympathizers:
From: Islamo-Realist (not Islamophobic)

First off I'm not an Islamofacist sympathizer. I fully support the War on Terror.

So, what's wrong hating evil?

Evil is an action and should be opposed and actively fought. You are talking about turning "evil" into a more nebulous concept.

some aspect of Islamic teachings are outright evil and filthy.

Only if actually followed through with.

Same is true, in a lesser degree, for every religion. But current version or interpretation of Islam is worse than any other religion. Islamic countries have least human rights and freedom when compared to the West.

Ah, but what about not comparing a few Islamic countries to the west. How about, instead, we compare the UAE to Burma? Or Turkey to Zimbabwe? Or Kuwait to North Korea?

and what's is wrong with book burning?

It's the wrong reaction. The proper response to bad books is to not recommend them to other to be read. Burning them is just unnecessary. Burning them adds an element of hatred to it on your part and combating hate with hate just never ends well.

We are not talking about burning all the copies of a book or a library. There is nothing wrong burning just one or two copies of a bad book as symbolic gesture to express once opinion.

Yes there is, as I mentioned above it is bad because you are now reducing yourself to facilitator of hate yourself.

Do you believe in the freedom of expression?

Absolutely. Which is why I will use my freedom of expression to say that I think book burnings are a non-constructive divisive act that leads to no useful dialogue or bridges of communication between adversarial sides. It is basically one side telling the other that they have made up their mind that one is "good" and the other is "bad."

We (like minded) are not advocating killing Muslims but exposing the filth of Islam to the ignorants of West.

I think that the US is quite aware of the bad elements of Islamic Radicalism.

Unlike Geert Wilder, the Dutch parliment member, I am against baning Quran. But buring couple of copies to make your point is perfectly OK.
We must expose Islamic filthy teachings to the West. So far only 35% of the US population has negative opinion about Islam. We shall make this number to 75% just telling the truth about Mohommad, Quran, Hadith, and Islamic history.

Awesome, you have made it your goal to oppose tolerance. Are you aware that Muslims in the US are very well adapted to Western culture? Are you aware that this is a primary reason that only 35% of Americans think badly of Islam? And now you want to undo that? You want to make more people in the US hate people that are living quite peacefully amongst them wishing no one any ill harm. Be proud.

Obama lied in Cairo about Islamic golden age. There is no such thing as Islamic golden age. Islam plundered wherever it went.

Even if this were true, and it really isn't, it would still constitute a "golden age."

Bush lied by saying Islam is a religion of peace.

Yeah we know how much Bush loved lying about how awesome Islam is.

Iamam Abdul Raoof lied by saying Islam means peach. Islam means surrender.
The word from which the word "Islam" is derived "Salam" means peace. But Islam means surrender, submission. Most Muslims have surrendered their brain.

That's one very narrow and myopic way to look at it.

Muslims can fool the CIA, FBI, NSA, Obama and Bush but they can't fool us the insiders.

Oh this should be good.

We know every genetic code of Islam. We know every neurons of Islamic brain.

Wait, so Islam has a genetic code!?! My goodness man. This would be the discovery of the new century! Publish your results!

Unless West wakes up West will lose.
Death of the Western civilization at the hand of Islamic taqya is quite possible.
Just look at Europe.

Yes, let us look at Europe where the Muslim slums keep people sequestered, non-integrated, poor and angry. I guess it's a good thing that isn't happening in the US.

complete nonsense.
Human being whose brain was hijacked, infected by memetic islamic mental virus attacked the US.

I get that English is your second language but man this was pretty good. Calling Islam a "virus" is definitely revealing that you are not a good person to be commenting on this.

You can call them whatever, you want. But fact of the matter is that disproportionately higher percentage of brains whose operating system is Islam commits terrorism when compared to the other religions like Hinduism, or Christianity.

I would actually like to see some stats on that. Actually I wouldn't because it's irrelevant. Terrorism tends to follow where there is social disorder and wars and, if you haven't noticed, there is an awful lot of social disorder and war in many countries that are coincidentally Islamic. There's also a lot of terrorism in places like Columbia. Do we blame that on Islam too?

Statistic speak louder than liberal's mental disorder.

Knowing what's behind those statistics speaks loudly about what the Islamophobes refuse to acknowledge.

It is not the problem of the hardware. Software is the problem.
Race is not the problem. Ideology is. Great majority of French prisoners (criminals) have converted to Islam. Islam is naturally attractive to violent people.

Religion offers a means of bonding in a rather depressing environment like prison. That is all. In the US most prisoners convert to Christianity.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating any form of violence against Muslims. I am advocating exposing the sickness of Islam. We must stand up and call spade a spade. Islam is evil. At present it is the worse religion when compared to any other religion.

Okay, so you are not calling for violence you are just calling it "evil" and a "virus." Hmm, how does one confront things that are "evil" or "viruses?" Oh, we fight them! So you are calling Islam things that mean, if we are to believe you, we are compelled to fight and eradicate. But, no you are not calling for violence just pointing out something that, by implication, can only be stopped with violence.

That's like saying that when I accuse my neighbor of being a child molester I'm not actually calling for him to be arrested, even though I know that will be the consequence of my accusation, I'm just calling him a child molester. Accusations, such as yours, carry consequences and you seem to think you can divorce yourself from them with your trite disclaimers of "not advocating violence against Islam." Sorry, I'm not buying it. I think you know damned well what you are doing and that you are doing so in a calculated way. You know that by propagating these malicious ideas you can foster an environment that will bring about the result you desire: a full on religious war. Why you want to bring this about is not something I'm prepared to try and contemplate at this point nor am I convinced it's relevant. But that is what you are trying to do.

I am less concerned from active terrorist. I am more concerned with stealth jihadists like Tariq Ramadan of Switzerland, or Imam Abdul Raoof and CAIR etc.

I'm more concerned about zombies. Can't stop a zombie army now can you? Zombies can also be stealthy. How do you know you aren't a zombie right now? You know what the only thing that scares me more than zombies? Zombie bears. Imagine an army of zombie bears! We must get the FBI on this zombie bear issue right away. I mean according to you the FBI has been fooled and isn't even trying to protect us from Islamic terrorism so I'm sure they have plenty of free time.

 

[kerikiwi]

No, no, DC. It's quite clear he meant that he gets the same sort of "fatwa" as Salman Rushdie -- namely a death sentence -- if only because he also called the Koran burner a "Nazi" in the same post (and then repeated that Muslims should "put a fatwa on his Nazi ass".)

I am certainly not the only one who understood him to mean that: everybody else who replied to him did.

So you were not alone in your misunderstanding. That does not make you right. It merely means that you have company in your wrongness.

 

[DC]

http://quran.com/2/191

Sahih International
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Muhsin Khan
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

that sounds like defense to me, not to you?

Yuur interpretation is rejected by most Muslims.
Look around, Muslims are following the interpretation I gave you. Look around, the world is burning by Islamic filth.

BS, most moslems doe not kill others, i have had debates with an Imam about Atheism vs Religion. Also with several other Muslims, I know a muslims that is married to a atheist woman. I have had countless debates with muslims, and i always point out that i am an atheist and do not believe in any gods, i never was beheaded, not even their voices got louder.

you are just a bigot that propably never debated a moslem, you just keep posting the links to you propaganda websites. and you believe every nonsense they claim, without questioning it

 

[timf1234]

appeasing, nonsense.

i just do not blame the deeds of a few on a huge group that did nothing wrong.

the fast majority of muslims here doe not cause any troubles at all. they live their live, work, raise a family etc. They contribute to our society just as everyone else does. There are a few that cause problem, those are geting dealt with. why would i have to blame the rest of the 1.5 billion people that believe in the same fantasy creature?

that would be pure bigotery and would be a extremist way of thinking.

the fast majority of muslims here doe not cause any troubles at all. they live their live, work, raise a family etc. They contribute to our society just as everyone else does. There are a few that cause problem, those are geting dealt with. why would i have to blame the rest of the 1.5 billion people that believe in the same fantasy creature?

Simple hearted, poor gullible Western liberal.
Of course, only small percentage of Muslims are "Active" Terrorists.
Much larger number are wannabe terrorist looking for the right time and opportunity.
and then huge number, overwhelming majority does the taqiya (deception), are terrorist sympathizer, fertilizer, incubators.

Of course, they work and raise family. Everybody does. That doesn't prove they don't have a plan.

Now, let me ask you a simple question. did you watch Imam Abdul Raoof interview on the CNN about the ground zero mosque.
What do you think about him?
Do you think he is the moderate like the one you described above?

 

[DC]

Simple hearted, poor gullible Western liberal.
Of course, only small percentage of Muslims are "Active" Terrorists.
Much larger number are wannabe terrorist looking for the right time and opportunity.
and then huge number, overwhelming majority does the taqiya (deception), are terrorist sympathizer, fertilizer, incubators.

Of course, they work and raise family. Everybody does. That doesn't prove they don't have a plan.

Now, let me ask you a simple question. did you watch Imam Abdul Raoof interview on the CNN about the ground zero mosque.
What do you think about him?
Do you think he is the moderate like the one you described above?

oh nonsense, would they use the taqiya like you believe, the extremists would have no trouble condemning terrorism or some of their radical views. But over and over again you find the extremists evading though questions.
They could simply lie about it, but somehow they don't.

you are just generally accusing all moslems of being closet terrorists.

Edited by Tricky: 

Edited for rule 12.

 

[timf1234]

BS, most moslems doe not kill others, i have had debates with an Imam about Atheism vs Religion. Also with several other Muslims, I know a muslims that is married to a atheist woman. I have had countless debates with muslims, and i always point out that i am an atheist and do not believe in any gods, i never was beheaded, not even their voices got louder.

you are just a bigot that propably never debated a moslem, you just keep posting the links to you propaganda websites. and you believe every nonsense they claim, without questioning it

Why would they behead you now? they know they will be caught.
When times comes (in power), they will give you choice, either become Muslim, or pay Jizya tax or get killed.

 

[DC]

Why would they behead you now? they know they will be caught.
When times comes (in power), they will give you choice, either become Muslim, or pay Jizya tax or get killed.

and do you have any evidence at all that would support your conspiracy theory?

laughable stuff you believe.

 

[Eddie Dane]

What is falafel shop?

It's a Middle-Eastern dish.

My question was: you call yourself an 'insider' regarding information about Islam.

Do you have 'inside information' about Islam, or do you call yourself an 'insider' because you read certain ant-Islamic websites?

 

[timf1234]

Travis,

Evil is an action and should be opposed and actively fought.

False.
Evil is an idea in the brain. Action is the result of the idea.
Every human being belief certain things to be true and certain thing to be false, certain things to be good and certain things to be bad, certain things to be right and certain thing to be wrong. That becomes his/her operating system. Given the opportunity each individual will act according to his/her belief system, be it Hitler, Bush, OBL, me or you.
What is most important is the find out what is in person’s head.
The things Muslims believes in are not good.
I know, you have been taught to judge a person from his deeds. But I judge a person by his belief. Deeds and actions are only the after effect.

Why my above explanation is so important? Because you wrote the following.

some aspect of Islamic teachings are outright evil and filthy.

Only if actually followed through with.

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I fully support the War on Terror.

I don’t. Because, terror is just a tactic. We should fight the ideology -the root cause of the terror.

How about, instead, we compare the UAE to Burma?

Why not compare Burma with Pakistan?
Had you taken away their unearned petro dollar in 70s then where would UAE be now?
We dropped atomic bomb in Japan. They are blowing us now with suicide bombing. Why only Muslims do this kind of acts? Answer: because their value system is fuucked up. Their brain operating system is screwed.

Kuwait to North Korea?

Again bad comparison. Why not compare Kuwait to South Korea? Although Kuwait’s per capita GDP is almost twice as high as of South Korea but still I will prefer South Korea in heart beat. Kuwait, being an Islamic country doesn’t allow full human rights.

Burning them adds an element of hatred to it on your part and combating hate with hate just never ends well.

Purpose of Quran burning is to provoke unjust/wrong reaction from Muslims that would expose Muslims’ malfunction brain to the West. Objective is to wake the West up.

It is basically one side telling the other that they have made up their mind that one is "good" and the other is "bad."

Typical liberal thinking, like there is no good or bad. Your logic is saying there is no right or wrong. Why wouldn’t a party tell another party that they are bad when we are presenting the evidence.
Do you or do you not think that the Western value system is better than Muslims?
I do.

I think that the US is quite aware of the bad elements of Islamic Radicalism.

No they are not.
CNN did not tell its audience that Abdul Raooof wrote a book in Arabic titled: Introducing sharia to America from the rubble of ground zero. In English, he change the title.
Did you know this?

Are you aware that Muslims in the US are very well adapted to Western culture?

Only on the surface.
Their goal is to bring the Sharia laws all over the world. Caliphate, world domination.
Too far fetched?
Think again.
Before 9/11, did you ever think that anybody could attack US, the lone super power with thousands of nukes, let alone in New York and bring two towers down? Could anyone even imagined that someone will attack Pentagon itself. Remarkable, isn’t it.
[Keep your nukes in your ware house, Keep your aircraft carrier in your curio cabinets. You can’t use nukes against us. Because, we know CNN, Al Jazeera are broadcasting. Partnering with Hlollywood and Western liberals, using the gullibility of the West, using Western kindness, using our stealth Jihad to conquer the West and you won’t even know it.]

Knowing what's behind those statistics speaks loudly about what the Islamophobes refuse to acknowledge.

I am not an Islamophobe but an Islamo-realist.
And here is the statistic: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

In the US most prisoners convert to Christianity.

Current version of Christianity is not as dangerous.

Okay, so you are not calling for violence you are just calling it "evil" and a "virus." Hmm, how does one confront things that are "evil" or "viruses?"

You liberal just can’t call spade a spade. Michael Savage calls it Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Read following Richard Dawkins article on mental virus/
http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/viruses-of-the-mind.html

I think you know damned well what you are doing and that you are doing so in a calculated way. You know that by propagating these malicious ideas you can foster an environment that will bring about the result you desire: a full on religious war.

If war then it must be against ideology not against terror.
But there is another way. Instead of attempting to win Muslims’ heart and mind repair their mind. A small group of neuropsychologist, neuroscientist, using fMRI, like Sam Harris, and Daniel Dannett are studying mental virus and Memetic phenomena.
We need to point out to Muslims their illogics, their weaknesses, their flawed thinking in a massive propaganda machine. Your liberal’s sweet talk won’t cut it. Liberals just sweeping the problem under the rug.
War? A trillion dollars and several thousand solders death later we haven’t changed even a bit of Afghanis or Iraqis Memes. If we had spent a fraction of this amount on exposing the filth of Islam very rationally and make Muslims see their ideological evil we would have achieved a lot more.

I mean according to you the FBI has been fooled and isn't even trying to protect us from Islamic terrorism so I'm sure they have plenty of free time.

FBI is protecting us from active terrorism only. FBI, Homeland Security and hot-shots CNN and New York time’s reporters have no clue about Stealth Jihad. Over 90% Muslims are in it. Yap, we insiders know about it.

 

[timf1234]

It's a Middle-Eastern dish.

My question was: you call yourself an 'insider' regarding information about Islam.

Do you have 'inside information' about Islam, or do you call yourself an 'insider' because you read certain ant-Islamic websites?

Nop. I lived it. Been there, done that.

 

[DC]

Nop. I lived it. Been there, done that.

so you actually believed the insane stuff you now claim the other moslems believe?

 

[timf1234]

and do you have any evidence at all that would support your conspiracy theory?

laughable stuff you believe.

Conspiracy theory?
You kidding?
It is happening right in front of your eyes.

Did you know that there are over 65 small courts in the UK that are authorized/legalized to use Sharia laws for civil cases for Muslims?

Stealth Jihad is not like WWII.
Stealth Jihad is slow poisoning.

Do you think we have lost some freedom of expression already?
wake up.
No major news media reprinted Mohammad cartoon's in any major way.
No major news is willing to broadcast Mohammad's pictures.
We already have compromised freedom of expression.
You tube routinely delete videos that are critical of Islam.

Terry Jones websites were disconnected by the web hosting company.
Harvard University made special swimming pool for Muslims only.

Are you not losing Western way of life slowly but surely?

Did you know that a judge in the US in a wife beating case said a Muslim man can beat his wife to force her to have sex because it is according to his faith.

Western laws are being compromised in Germany as well.

A Muslim mob in Germany had police to go to a Jews apartment and had him pull out his Israel flag that was hanging from the window?

where do you live?

South park had to censor itself to avoid Muslims.
Islamic laws are already creeping in.

Liberals don't care because it hasn't happened to you yet.

 

[timf1234]

so you actually believed the insane stuff you now claim the other moslems believe?

If it were only me who believed the stuff then there is no problem.
Unfortunately, hundreds of millions do.

 

[timf1234]

I am going to go to bed now.

 

[DC]

Conspiracy theory?
You kidding?
It is happening right in front of your eyes.

Did you know that there are over 65 small courts in the UK that are authorized/legalized to use Sharia laws for civil cases for Muslims?

Stealth Jihad is not like WWII.
Stealth Jihad is slow poisoning.

Do you think we have lost some freedom of expression already?
wake up.
No major news media reprinted Mohammad cartoon's in any major way.
No major news is willing to broadcast Mohammad's pictures.
We already have compromised freedom of expression.
You tube routinely delete videos that are critical of Islam.

Terry Jones websites were disconnected by the web hosting company.
Harvard University made special swimming pool for Muslims only.

Are you not losing Western way of life slowly but surely?

Did you know that a judge in the US in a wife beating case said a Muslim man can beat his wife to force her to have sex because it is according to his faith.

Western laws are being compromised in Germany as well.

A Muslim mob in Germany had police to go to a Jews apartment and had him pull out his Israel flag that was hanging from the window?

where do you live?

South park had to censor itself to avoid Muslims.
Islamic laws are already creeping in.

Liberals don't care because it hasn't happened to you yet.

the Laws in the UK were a topic here several times. no problem there. Thats up to the UK, they allow that, and guess what, it didnt lead to the sikhs geting world domination........

evidence for the German Police geting an Israeli flag out of an apartement?
would be against the German constitution.

Evidence that US courts OKes beating her wife.

In my country there was a court trial on friday against a muslims who simply said he believes he has a right to beat his woman. that doesnt go to well here.

i am from Switzerland.

and yes your claim that the muslims just wait for the right time is indeed a conspiracy theory, the biggest i ever have seen. that conspiracy woul dbe alot bigger than the numerous " The jews" theories.

ETA: the only limitations of my right to express my self freely is:
Holocaust denial, racist slurs, callups for violence and Volksverhetzung.
i dont miss any of these.

 

[DC]

If it were only me who believed the stuff then there is no problem.
Unfortunately, hundreds of millions do.

if you only had any evidence to expose that conspiracy, you wouldnt have to make up stuff an lie.

 

[timf1234]

if you only had any evidence to expose that conspiracy, you wouldnt have to make up stuff an lie.

you can just go ask them in confidence they will tell you.
They want to bring in sharia laws.