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Tax Cuts

Bikewer

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The arguments over letting the Bush tax cuts "sunset", extend them partially, make them permanent, make some permanent....
Makes my head spin.

We know Republicans generally want all the cuts, even for the wealthiest Americans, to be at least extended and preferably made permanent.
Obama wants to extend the cuts for sub-200,000 income (250,000 for couples) folks and businesses but to let the cuts for those wealthier expire.

Critics say that any increase in taxes in a bad economy is a bad idea...

The notion being, I suppose, that Mr. Gottrocks, sitting with both cheeks firmly clenched on his millions, will not spend a nickle unless his tax rate is lowered.
This seems rather silly, as Mr. Gottrocks has apparently not been spending the economy back into health during this period when the tax cuts are actually in effect and the economy is in the tubes....
The notion that assuring the very wealthy that they will retain a lower tax rate will cause them to immediately spend and invest like madmen.... Seems a little odd.

Studies have shown that the very wealthy don't really spend more proportionately than poorer folks anyway, given lower taxes all 'round.
Likely they already have all the gizmos they need; though the yacht might need some new gold-plated fixtures.....
By most reckoning, allowing the tax cuts to continue on the wealthiest classes will result in some 700 billion in decreased revenues annually; not an insignificant sum.

Now, at least, some are calling for another attempt to reform the tax code overall, something long due on account of the literally thousands of exemptions, loopholes, and the like that permeated same since the last attempt at reform.
However, at least one congressman indicated that any attempt to do so would result in a flood of lobbyists and big-money interests on Capitol Hill in opposition...
 
Studies have shown that the very wealthy don't really spend more proportionately than poorer folks anyway, given lower taxes all 'round.
Likely they already have all the gizmos they need; though the yacht might need some new gold-plated fixtures.....
By most reckoning, allowing the tax cuts to continue on the wealthiest classes will result in some 700 billion in decreased revenues annually; not an insignificant sum.
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Since total US 1040 tax income hovers about a trillion per year, your number of 700 billion in decrease revenues is off the charts wrong.

....The notion that assuring the very wealthy that they will retain a lower tax rate will cause them to immediately spend and invest like madmen.... Seems a little odd....

In the midst of madmen trying to establish a top down controlled economy they would certainly not invest and spend like madmen.
 
1. Just mentioning figures the reporters were tossing around on the weekly US News segment of the Diane Rehm show.
2. Naturally, "spending like madmen" is a euphemism; the point being that those in favor of extending the tax cuts for the wealthiest seem to think that this rather small sector is inordinately responsible for growth in the economy generally.
My point being that the tax cuts are presently in place and the spending (if any) from this sector doesn't seem to lifting the economy to any noticeable degree.
 
The arguments over letting the Bush tax cuts "sunset", extend them partially, make them permanent, make some permanent....
Makes my head spin.

We know Republicans generally want all the cuts, even for the wealthiest Americans, to be at least extended and preferably made permanent.
Obama wants to extend the cuts for sub-200,000 income (250,000 for couples) folks and businesses but to let the cuts for those wealthier expire.

Critics say that any increase in taxes in a bad economy is a bad idea...

The notion being, I suppose, that Mr. Gottrocks, sitting with both cheeks firmly clenched on his millions, will not spend a nickle unless his tax rate is lowered.
This seems rather silly, as Mr. Gottrocks has apparently not been spending the economy back into health during this period when the tax cuts are actually in effect and the economy is in the tubes....

...given his spending is investment in business opportunities, can you blame him? His taxes are about to go up, making that risky investment all the less likely to clear the hurdle for profitability.


It's not rocket science, people.
 
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Look, if you're making 255,000 dollars a year, the socialist-money-grabbing Democrats (like Barrack Hussein Obama), say that that last five grand should be taxed at 39.6% instead of 33%. They're basically trying their hardest to destroy America. Sorry, Amerikkka.

Now when are the Dems going to do something about the deficit!?
 
...given his spending is investment in business opportunities, can you blame him? His taxes are about to go up, making that risky investment all the less likely to clear the hurdle for profitability.

There are provisions under consideration for small business investment tax credits. That stimulates the ecconomy.

Subsidizing some fat slob open businesses in China to make stuff to sell here does not stimulate the ecconomy.

As you would put it:
It's not rocket science, people.
 
But if we cut the taxes for the rich, the money will trickle down on the poor.

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A throbbing economy helps the poor a lot more than government programs do.


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Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is fine by me. Of course, "fear of the voters" is a perfectly fine reason, too.


By the way, wealthy, fat slobs in China will help raise the power of the Chinese economy, increasing the rate of invention and progress worldwide still further. I heartily encourage tax breaks for them -- if what you truly care about are "the poor", or even "the average Joe."
 
Look, if you're making 255,000 dollars a year, the socialist-money-grabbing Democrats (like Barrack Hussein Obama), say that that last five grand should be taxed at 39.6% instead of 33%. They're basically trying their hardest to destroy America. Sorry, Amerikkka.

Now when are the Dems going to do something about the deficit!?

The firm I work for already gave me a 5% paycut thanks in part to the talk about raising the firms taxes 5%. Yea, it's a "small" business.

Thanks guys! I feel so rich now!
 
The firm I work for already gave me a 5% paycut thanks in part to the talk about raising the firms taxes 5%. Yea, it's a "small" business.

Thanks guys! I feel so rich now!

Yeah, Barry deserves blame. When my dad raises the rent on people he says it's because of an increase in property taxes, if there's an increase or not. That 5% pay cut for a 5% increase sounds like a clever move -- dumb people who are bad at maff will just blame the gubmit.
 
The firm I work for already gave me a 5% paycut thanks in part to the talk about raising the firms taxes 5%. Yea, it's a "small" business.


Wait, so they made a decision now based on what might happen later? Er, anyone else see a problem in that?

Perhaps I'm just being cynical, but I can't but help think your 5% cut is really to pay for a raise for the guys at the top of the business. I'm reminded of how some years back when the CEO one of the major U.S. airlines (American Airlines, I think it was) was telling the company's unions that they would have to make wage concessions, and it came out later that at the same time he was pleading poor to the workers and demanding wage concessions he and the other top management had given themselves big raises.
 
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I'm reminded of how some years back when the CEO one of the major U.S. airlines (American Airlines, I think it was) was telling the company's unions that they would have to make wage concessions, and it came out later that at the same time he was pleading poor to the workers and demanding wage concessions he and the other top management had given themselves big raises.

So, basicly when an investor screws working people out of their pensions to get the company through bankruptcy, and gets a big bonus even though he was the one who ran the comany into the ditch, he is entitled to a tax break because he is "stimulating the ecconomy." Got it. Makes perfect sense. (If you're in the early stages of Alzheimer's.)
 
...given his spending is investment in business opportunities, can you blame him? His taxes are about to go up, making that risky investment all the less likely to clear the hurdle for profitability.


It's not rocket science, people.

Err it's income tax. It can't impact profitability. It can reduce effective dividend payout but thats a seperate issues and in any case can be avoiding by targeting capital gains rather than income.
 
The firm I work for already gave me a 5% paycut thanks in part to the talk about raising the firms taxes 5%. Yea, it's a "small" business.

So go to work for someone who doesn't lie and snivell so much. They are going to screw you one way or anther anyway.
 
...given his spending is investment in business opportunities, can you blame him? His taxes are about to go up, making that risky investment all the less likely to clear the hurdle for profitability.


It's not rocket science, people.

Obama does want to make an unlimited deduction for certain types of investments. Sort of like an unlimited Section 179 deduction.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704392104575475920686869934.html
President Barack Obama, in one of his most dramatic gestures to business, will propose that companies be allowed to more quickly write off 100% of their new investment in plants and equipment through 2011.
 
If you count selling off factory equipment as capital gain, with no obligation to buy and install new equipment HERE to continue producing wealth, and give the business a tax break, you have just subsidized the destruction of our industrial base, especially if the sale is actually to a foreing subsidiary who then makes cheap crap for our market. The entrepreneur is thus double-dipping.
 
If you count selling off factory equipment as capital gain, with no obligation to buy and install new equipment HERE to continue producing wealth, and give the business a tax break, you have just subsidized the destruction of our industrial base, especially if the sale is actually to a foreing subsidiary who then makes cheap crap for our market. The entrepreneur is thus double-dipping.
I would doubt that much factory equipment is sold at a gain.
 
A throbbing economy helps the poor a lot more than government programs do.

When the ecconomy is driven by something other than financial services, yes. Manufacturing and farming create wealth for all.

Financial services create wealth for the shysters and grifters and usurers.

By the way, wealthy, fat slobs in China will help raise the power of the Chinese economy, increasing the rate of invention and progress worldwide still further.

They're making a fortune making what we invented and selling it to us. That aint the way its supposed to happen.

I heartily encourage tax breaks for them -- if what you truly care about are "the poor", or even "the average Joe."

Why?
 

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