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Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?
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RADAR data proves 175 and 11 impacted the WTC towers. Thousands of eye witnesses to 175 impact are a reality you can't handle.
You spew delusions, the thread should be closed because your insane no plane theory only hurts you. You have delusions, jet engine parts are Plymouth Wheel-covers in your fantasy world. You have to call thousands of eye witnesses lairs for your fantasy to come true, so you can lie.
You sealed your fate declaring jet engine parts are Plymouth wheel-covers. This thread serves as evidence of your propensity to make up lies. You are in the 911 conspiracy theory sub-forum, not likely your baseless delusions will earn the Pulitzer Prize.
The videos show you have idiotic delusions Jerry; you failed, tomorrow is 9 years of failure and no action for you.
the thread stays open, because of this.
STUPID *********** NOPLANERS who despite being shown the stupidity and vileness of their thoughts and ideas, persist, just like the cockroaches they resemble, and continue to spew their evidenceless based, hurtful suggestions.
and of course, most other people on the site, being human, respond to the putrid stink spewed.
I know this is harsh, but so close to 9/11, the thought that some out there dance on the graves of the plane passengers (and that is what you are doing when you state you don't believe the planes hit the towers) without any remorse, just erks me.
TAM
STUPID *********** NOPLANERS who despite being shown the stupidity and vileness of their thoughts and ideas, persist, just like the cockroaches they resemble, and continue to spew their evidenceless based, hurtful suggestions.
and of course, most other people on the site, being human, respond to the putrid stink spewed.
I know this is harsh, but so close to 9/11, the thought that some out there dance on the graves of the plane passengers (and that is what you are doing when you state you don't believe the planes hit the towers) without any remorse, just erks me.
TAM
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TJM
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An oversight on my part, but if you insist, the radar data cuts to the heart of your delusion too. I shall make a template and keep posting it as a reminder to you, if you like.
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or it reached its peak 96 pages ago...... This thread is just a vehicle for your insane ideas......I'm happy enough debunking them. They make nice little intellectual exercises. fun without being too tough.
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Well to be accurate the RADAR data proves two planes disappeared off the RADAR just above and a short distance away from the towers.
They are part of the huge pile of proof that planes did in fact hit the towers but they are not proof of that in of themselves.
They are part of the evidence that proofs well beyond a reasonable doubt that two 767s were used to destroy the towers
Only because you asked
I believe that this person is part of the extremely fringe no-plane group that shows a particular ... insensitivity to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. They have run an "analysis" of the facial features of the victims, and claim that the victims were all CGI, not real people. The main offender is called Simon Shack, and some still post at the "reality shack" forum. If you need more, check this thread, where ozzy is quoted pissing on the graves of some plane crash victims, around post 85 or so. It's not pretty. Hard core delusions. The worst of them have vandalized online memorial sites with taunting and jokes.
You could also look at the "VicSim Report," to get a perspective on their thoughts, but not if you have any type of blood pressure issues.
Even more gossipy-type stuff here. These are some of the reasons that people like me discuss 9/11 anonymously.
I believe that this person is part of the extremely fringe no-plane group that shows a particular ... insensitivity to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. They have run an "analysis" of the facial features of the victims, and claim that the victims were all CGI, not real people. The main offender is called Simon Shack, and some still post at the "reality shack" forum. If you need more, check this thread, where ozzy is quoted pissing on the graves of some plane crash victims, around post 85 or so. It's not pretty. Hard core delusions. The worst of them have vandalized online memorial sites with taunting and jokes.
You could also look at the "VicSim Report," to get a perspective on their thoughts, but not if you have any type of blood pressure issues.
Even more gossipy-type stuff here. These are some of the reasons that people like me discuss 9/11 anonymously.
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Based on the content you described, why would anyone with an ounce of self respect spend so much time visiting such forums?
MM
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If anyone is thinking of taking a look at the "reality shack" forum, you might want to know in advance that their basic preise- their Gospel, as it were, is that if a photographic record of any historical event exists it is a fake perpetrated by Teh Eevil Conspiracy.
I was going to say that "these buggers would try to tell us that pictures of ships burning at Pearl Harbor are faked", but it turns out that I was absolutely right.
As to why any sane person would want to bother reading such drivel, perhaps a quote from edo's song about Frederick Exley might answer:
It was the winter of my despair
I was so upset
And then I read your horrible little book,
The bitterness with which you approached your life
I was so relieved
I knew I had a long way down to go!
I was going to say that "these buggers would try to tell us that pictures of ships burning at Pearl Harbor are faked", but it turns out that I was absolutely right.
As to why any sane person would want to bother reading such drivel, perhaps a quote from edo's song about Frederick Exley might answer:
It was the winter of my despair
I was so upset
And then I read your horrible little book,
The bitterness with which you approached your life
I was so relieved
I knew I had a long way down to go!
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I am amazed that you would think that Jammy will understand what "well beyond a reasonable doubt" really means.
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I'm sure he does not or this thread would not exist. But other readers probably do or can learn of the concept with a little Googling.
Yes three additional pages and your evidence for no planes being used on 9/11? Zero, Zip, Zilch, Nada. That's the truth.
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Jammy seems to have gone MIA, only two posts this whole page.
I hope he isn't in the hospital undergoing treatment for severe pain.
I hope he isn't in the hospital undergoing treatment for severe pain.
Bill,
The video having the most accurate sound of the explosion at the South Tower in my assessement is the one found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuIACIpon7w&feature=player_embedded#!
It is a remarkable piece of accurate information. I would suggest listening very closely from about 0:12 to 0:55.
At 0:12 there is a whistle sound, that provides a frame of reference for the sound quality of the video.
At 0:21 - 22 the explosion occurs.
I will not here continue with the timing splits unless and until others take this video seriously. What is also of note is that a small piece of debris lands nearby. Later the video takes on a very somber aspect because a person who is seriously injured and likely dead can be seen laying prone in the street.
What is most remarkable about this video is that it confirms the description of the sound of the event as related to us by the one, single best, eyewitness, Asst. Commn. Stephen Gregory. He, of course, is a NO PLANE witness.
Commn. Gregory describes the sound of the second explosion as follows:
"...At first I didn't realize it was a plane.
I thought it was like the roar of fire, like something
had just incinerated, like a gas tank or an oil tank.
It sounded like a tremendous roar and then you heard
boom and then there was a big fire, a lot of fire, a
big fireball. I never actually saw a plane hit the
building. I never saw that. I saw it on television,
but I never saw it while I was standing there."
pg21/25
Source: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110008.PDF
The sound described by Gregory matches that of the video.
My personal favorite NO PLANE witness is jr343, a poster to a message board who responded to one of my "poster/lurker" calls for posting of what was seen.
jr343 has provided what I think is the single most revealing description of what was heard. The sound was simply not that of a jetliner, not even close:
"...Ear witness,,, ok this is where I can testify...
I was just off of the corner of rector street and trinity walking east towards broadway and i heard ( didnt see) the impact but what i heard was a sound to describe as a quick " zhoop - crack - boom " all of which where about one second long each and a slight pause in between all of maybe the same length. Dont know what it means its just the way i remeber it.
I am no expert on what it is suppose to sound like however i have been to enough airshows to know that a jet approaching you very fast you will not hear until it is upon you or past you.
In my opinion I thought that a jetliner of those size engines would have been louder and in my mind the sound i heard was from a fighter jet or smaller than commercial size engine. But then again I have never heard a jet going allegedly that fast from any distance so i cannot debate the differences."
By the way, Bill, the video you posted which is a segment of one of the ALL 43, is notable for its sound as well. Early on in this thread, I am pretty sure I commented on the fact that the sound in that video does not at all resemble the sound from a jetliner at full tilt boogey throttle, just as jr343 has stated.
Note, too, jr343's location. For those who lack access to google maps, jr343 was front and center to the event, so to speak, just as Commn. Gregory was.
TJM
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I have been on sabbatical of sorts, to be sure. However, during the hiatus in posting I have noticed a couple of things.
Firstly, let me double check for accuracy: Is this the current, up-to-date, status of Compus's project of posting up alleged victims of Flight 175 that Compus is using to infer a jetliner crash and that I claim is a form of rank exploitation:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, 32, 34
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43
Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 17C 15/51 Age: 80
Lisa Frost, 22A 16/51 Age: 22
Lynn Catherine Goodchild, 23F 17/51 Age: 25
Peter Morgan Goodrich, 23B 18/51 Age: 33
Douglas A. Gowell, 22B 19/51 Age: 52
The Reverend Francis E., Grogan, 1C 20/51 Age: 76
Carl Max Hammond, 16C 21/51 Age: 37
Gerald F. Hardacre, 24F 22/51 Age: 61
Eric Samadikan Hartono, 24B 23/51 Age: 20
James E. Hayden, 2C 24/51 Age: 47
Herbert W. Homer, 17E 25/51 Age: 48
Ralph Francis Kershaw, 22C 26/51 Age: 52
Brian Kinney, 19A 27/51 Age: 29
Robert George LeBlanc, 16G 28/51 Age: 70
Maclovio "Joe" Lopez, Jr., 19G 29/51 Age: 41
Marianne MacFarlane, 1E 30/51 Age:34
Louis Neil Mariani, 20G 31/51 Age: 59
Ruth Magdaline McCourt, 26A 32/51 Age: 45,
Juliana Valentine McCourt, 26B 33/51 Age: 4
Shawn M. Nassaney, 23E 34/51 Age: 25
Marie Pappalardo, 20F 35/51 Age: 53
Patrick Quigley, 1A 36/51 Age: 40,
Frederick Charles Rimmele, 25B 37/51 Age: 32
James M. Roux, 22F 38/51 Age: 43
Jesus Sanchez, 1F 39/51 Age: 45
Michael and Kathleen Shearer, 2E,2F 40-41/51 Ages: __
Left out of alphabetical order:
Klaus Bothe 21A
Ana Gloria DeBarrera 9A
Ronald Gamboa 8C
Heinrich Kimmig 21B
Deborah Medwig 28C
Wolfgang Menzel 21C
Would someone who is claiming to care far more deeply for the memory of the alleged victims than I and who is, therefore, holier than I am, please be so kind as to let me know if I have missed anyone posted up by Compus. Afterall, if you are holier than I am, care more deeply for victims than I do, then it should be easy for you to double check the accuracy of my listing of Compus' poroject. Thanks in advance.
Secondly, during my sabbatical over the last few days, I have started re-reading, in earnest, from a forensic perspective the book "Touching History" by Lynn Spencer. I will shortly start, likewise in earnest, a posting of excerpts from that book as it relates to Flight 175. In particular, that book contains some insights into the MILITARY EXERCISES taking place on 9/11 and also insights into the relationship between NEADS, NORAD and FAA, and the individuals involved, that are a bit more revealing than most.
The one main weakness of the book is that it, like everything else associated with proof of claim of planes on 9/11, relies on secondhand sourcing, innuendo and guesswork.
The fact of the matter, what actually happened on 9/11 has simply not ever been determined. (period, end of story) The only thing that can be stated with certainty, based on evidence, is that no Boeing 767s hit the Twin Towers, as this thread has shown in detail.
For starters, however, please consider the following premise of the Lynn Spencer book, "Touching History" the full subtitle of which is:
"The Untold Story of the Drama That Unforlded in the skies over America on 9/11 -- TOUCHING HISTORY"
"When I finished reading the commission's findings, I was much better informed, but I couldn't shake the feeling that the story was incomplete. Something was missing.
...
I also discovered that the 9/11 Commission Report did not even begin to tell the full story..."
pg. ix
So, in one fell (albeit jingoistic) swoop, Lynn Spencer has told you folks, flat out, and in no uncertain terms that the 9/11 Commission Report is FUBAR.
And so it is.
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Let me check for accuracy, are you being purposefully naive, or do you not grasp the nature, extent and purpose of a PSYOP, the concept of GROUP THINK and/or the effect of the POWER OF SUGGESTION?
Let me also place the entire NO PLANE claim in proper perspective, once and for all, as it relates to the continued, persistent need of some to repeat the "1000s of witnesses" mantra:
There are only a few people who claim to have seen and heard a jetliner. Most say they saw and heard "an explosion" and are willing to infer it was a jetliner, after seeing it replayed on teevee and/or being told it was seen on teevee.
Because of the power of suggestion, the nature of psyops and the jingoistic "Christian vs Muslim" xenophobia that was interwoven into the psyop, the only reliable indicators of the event are those that date from as close to the actual event as possible. First hand, sense impressions are the very best. That is why, for instance, the DICK OLIVER videos rank so high in the hierarchy of evidence: They are firsthand, uncensored, unaffected by teevee, accounts of what happened. As you might recall, ALL persons who came up to Dick Oliver's microphone and camera and who said what happened said, in substance, just as David Stollick(sp) said in fact, that:
"...it was jist an explosion..."
Of course, no poster here has any answer to the factual truth posted here. Many simply ignore it or pretend not to understand or seek, vainly I might add, to find fault with the facts as they are.
Hint: It is better to just consider the facts as they are and admit there are an abundance of NO PLANE facts, even if you then decide to continue believing Boeing 767s hit the South Tower.
Not only does the truth hurt as I have previously pointed out on this page; but, there's more:
THE TRUTH CAN SET YOU FREE!
all the best
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