Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

[BigAl]

False. There are numerous reports of explosions and a few video clips that picked up explosions. NIST is withholding nearly 7,000 video clips so you cannot claim that there are no sounds of explosions on them.
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A million people within blast-hearing distance didn't hear anything. There are no injuries or deaths with explosion trauma as a cause.

So the 40 random people who shot those videos (and mostly still have the originals ) don't see the difference between what they filmed and the "official story" and in 9 years nobody has blown the whistle?

 

[carlitos]

Reasons for lateral ejected steel structural members:

- Ricochet
- Snapping
- Lateral release of vertical columns

No explosives needed. Great explanation Dave.

 

[DaveThomasNMSR]

Reasons for lateral ejected steel structural members:

- Ricochet
- Snapping
- Lateral release of vertical columns

No explosives needed. Great explanation Dave.

I need to update the video with a fourth method: Tipping over (hinge mechanism).

That's actually how some of the larger pieces were deposited a distance from the towers.

 

[Christopher7]

Au contraire!

Simplistic and unrealistic.

All three reasons totally ignore the fact that the exterior framing was interlocking sections three columns wide and three stories high.

Had it been a gravity collapse, the sections would be forced into the next three piece section of framework below as they were torn apart.

Ricochet: Off what?
There was no chance for a three column/three story framing section be torn loose and then bounce off the piece it is being torn loose from.

Snapping: You show a single piece snapping. Grossly unrepresentative. Try that with interlocking framework representative of the actual interlocking framework.

ETA: What did you use to represent a framing section? A piece of spaghetti?
You are implying that one of these could just snap at the splice joints while being torn away from the sections on either side. It would still have to be attached top and bottom to provide the stress, so it could not fly away at 70 + mph. It would simply buckle.

Vertical stress: You release the tension on the bottom and the column moves downward. How can this instantly happen to a three story three column section that is being crushed from above and torn apart from the surrounding interlocking framework? In your "experiment" the single piece bounces off the test table. The test table would not be there in the actual collapse.

 

[uke2se]

I'm done with C7. I'm convinced that he has no intention of debating properly, instead opting to lie as much as possible. As I'm satisfied that no one will ever take him seriously, and that there's no risk of him infecting others with his insane beliefs, I'll just ignore him, and I suggest the rest of you do the same.

 

[pgimeno]

Wow, you got something semi-correct! But you see, the 20 minute figure is for small, partitioned offices. Not wide open offices like what was found in the WTC.

Also, not for the fuel redistribution caused by the impacts.

http://www.promat-tunnel.com/en/fire-curves.htm Easy enough.

URL please

That was... surreal.

 

[pgimeno]

There is also this photo:

[qimg]http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9400/clawph1.jpg[/qimg]

You will deny all because that's what you do. No worries mate.

That's not steel. Steel is not transparent, even when glowing, and that has some transparency. You can see through it.

 

[ozeco41]

I need to update the video with a fourth method: Tipping over (hinge mechanism).

That's actually how some of the larger pieces were deposited a distance from the towers.

Yes and it is analogous to a "bowling" action for those of us from the cricketing world.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Ignoring or hand waving these numerous statements constitutes a cover up.

You repeatedly ignore the rules because you know you will be allowed to do so.

Denial

More denial. Nano particles of iron oxide and aluminum, intimately mixed, were found in the WTC dust.

You are talking to yourself.

This is the denier gang barrage of abject denial. You simply deny all the evidence and then call me a liar. Pathetic.

The nano particles of aluminum were not spheres, They were intimately mixed with the nano sized iron oxide spheres. This can only be accomplished in a high tech lab.

You will persist in denying but that's OK. It is obvious to the objective reader that you are consistently denying the evidence.

Have a nice day.

I don't handwave or ignore any statements. One thing I don't do is misrepresent or quote mine their statements like you do.

Dude, alot of people has called you a liar, & you are.

Denial? Hell it's the truth!

Then how come there's no proof of aluminum spheres in the dust? How come you always talk about iron oxide like it's something of value when it's not?

High tech lab my ass! You lie out yours too often!

You have no evidence to prove that thermite in any form was used on 9/11. 9 yrs. of failure is what you're best at isn't?

BTW: I'm in no mood today, my 16 yr. 7 month old toy manchester terrier just died this morning @ 3 & I had to bury her. Don't peeve me off!

 

[Sabretooth]

BTW: I'm in no mood today, my 16 yr. 7 month old toy manchester terrier just died this morning @ 3 & I had to bury her. Don't peeve me off!

Sorry to hear that, Chewy.
It always sucks losing a member of the family...even the four-legged kind

 

[Sabretooth]

ETA: What did you use to represent a framing section? A piece of spaghetti?
You are implying that one of these could just snap at the splice joints while being torn away from the sections on either side. It would still have to be attached top and bottom to provide the stress, so it could not fly away at 70 + mph. It would simply buckle.

You clearly don't understand the concept of lateral forces.

The downward movement of the collapse also forces debris outward from center. The framework is not designed to hold that enormous amount of mass pushing down and out...

Part of the reason the WTC came down the way it did was due to this unique construction that your picture obviously demonstrates.

Stop trolling and pick up a text book once in a while.

 

[funk de fino]

It could have been something else, therefore, it was.

All those professionals were mistaken but the denier choir knows better.

Yippie-ki-yo-ki-yay

If you want to talk professionals then address this. You ran away before.

Many demolition experts were a few hundred feet from WTC7 when it collapsed know what they heard. They deny it was a CD.

 

[funk de fino]

NIST is withholding nearly 7,000 video clips so you cannot claim that there are no sounds of explosions on them.

This is a lie. Didn't you ask for them and get told you would have to pay for them? Didn't they just release a load of videos and pictures?

 

[BigAl]

This is a lie. Didn't you ask for them and get told you would have to pay for them? Didn't they just release a load of videos and pictures?

Allegedly we are about to get a big dump of video and images. I expect that there was much duplication and what we've already seen was the useful parts. See

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6296198#post6296198

This NIST memo describes how much raw material they found for WTC1/2 and what they did with it. It pre-dates the WTC7 study.


http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire05/PDF/f05173.pdf

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Sorry to hear that, Chewy.
It always sucks losing a member of the family...even the four-legged kind

Thanks!

I know, even these Truthers don't know what the meaning of the word "loss" is. I probably won't get over this for quite some time, I've known her since she was a pup. And I get tears in my eyes just thinking about her. Her name was Candy!

 

[alienentity]

BTW: I'm in no mood today, my 16 yr. 7 month old toy manchester terrier just died this morning @ 3 & I had to bury her. Don't peeve me off!

So sorry. Take it easy bro.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

So sorry. Take it easy bro.

Thanks! I'm trying my best, but you know how memories are, especially with 9/11 around the corner.


To everyone,

I apologize for my emotions, I'm having a rough day & I'm trying to focus on the issues at hand.

 

[Christopher7]

I don't handwave or ignore any statements.

You are hand waving the witnesses who heard explosions, the witnesses who saw molten steel and the nano-thermite found in the WTC dust.

Then how come there's no proof of aluminum spheres in the dust?

The aluminum is vaporized in the thermitic ignition process.

How come you always talk about iron oxide like it's something of value when it's not?

You are ignoring the fact that these were nano particles.

 

[beachnut]

You are hand waving the witnesses who heard explosions, the witnesses who saw molten steel and the nano-thermite found in the WTC dust.

The aluminum is vaporized in the thermitic ignition process.

You are ignoring the fact that these were nano particles.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

try again; even the terrorists scored 75 percent; why can't 911 truth get past zero percent?

No one saw rivers of steel flowing, they would be burnt up. No nano-thermite was found, you can't even post a photo of what nano-thermite looks like to compare to Jones' false paper junk. You know Jones made this up with zero evidence and had to make up his paper to support his fantasy.

The aluminum is not vaporized.
Fe₂O₃ + 2Al → 2Fe + Al₂O₃ + heat


3Fe₃O₄ + 8Al → 9Fe + 4Al₂O₃ + heat

The Iron would fuse to the steel it was next to, and leave evidence; zero evidence at the WTC complex of thermite.

BTW, in your delusion, was red rust used or black rust? Which is used in your delusion?

The iron would be fused to the steel, and no nano particles of thermite have been found. In Jones paper the stuff did not give off the right amount of heat. oops

 

[Christopher7]

You clearly don't understand the concept of lateral forces.

You don't understand that gravity does not have ANY lateral force.