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Does anyone here actually oppose Network Neutrality?

I'll have to check with my corporate paymasters for my opinion. I'll get back to you...
 
I’ve seen a few people who oppose it. The general idea seems to be that preventing vertical monopolies is an infringement of company’s right to make a profit and that if these monopolies were really a problem “the market would fix it”. They seem to ignore the fact that economists all the way back to Adam Smith identified controlling monopolies as one of the preconditions for free markets working at all.
 
Seems to me the answer to this is obvious: the inclination to oppose Net Neutrality is inversely correlated to one's degree of hatred for freedom -> the more you hate freedom, the more you like Net Neutrality - the more you love freedom, the more you hate Net Neutrality.

As a freedom lover, I think you can guess where I lie...
 
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Praktik said:
Seems to me the answer to this is obvious: the inclination to oppose Net Neutrality is inversely correlated one's degree of hatred for freedom -> the more you hate freedom, the more you like Net Neutrality - the more you love freedom, the more you hate Net Neutrality.

As a freedom lover, I think you can guess where I lie...
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Please tell me this is satire.
I don't think I could live in a world where people thought stuff this idiotic in earnest.
 
The Charnel Expanse said:
Please tell me this is satire.
I don't think I could live in a world where people thought stuff this idiotic in earnest.
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hehe yes satire, i know in this day and age its hard to tell with so many people out there parroting stuff like what I said with a straight face and in a very un-satire-ey way..;)
 
Here is a great article pro-NN

http://thenetstudio.com/NetNeutrality101.html

Here's a link from Dean Kay

http://www.reason.tv/video/show/net-neutrality-for-dummies

The music business community seems split 50/50 on this thing.
The idea that the FCC would then be in control of the internet terrifies me. The idea that Al Gore is in favor of NN terrifies me

The actual idea of NN seems very sensible to me, and if it could be done without the FCC or anyone else taking over, I am very much in favor
 
pipelineaudio said:
The actual idea of NN seems very sensible to me, and if it could be done without the FCC or anyone else taking over, I am very much in favor
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And how do you do that? How do you prevent people from doing legal things that will make them money with out the government making them illegal?
 
pipelineaudio said:
The idea that the FCC would then be in control of the internet terrifies me. The idea that Al Gore is in favor of NN terrifies me

The actual idea of NN seems very sensible to me, and if it could be done without the FCC or anyone else taking over, I am very much in favor
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"If it could be done?" :confused:

Scaremongering about Al Gore aside, NN is what we have now. It is the status quo. Nothing needs to be done in order to implement it; it's already implemented. What's happening is that several companies want to change that, so they can find yet new fees to implement for sites to have their content delivered faster. That's why it's an issue.

If you are seriously terrified of the Internet as it is, I suggest you find yourself a qualified therapist. Or stop going to 4chan.
 
Cleon said:
"If it could be done?" :confused:

Scaremongering about Al Gore aside, NN is what we have now. It is the status quo. Nothing needs to be done in order to implement it; it's already implemented. What's happening is that several companies want to change that, so they can find yet new fees to implement for sites to have their content delivered faster. That's why it's an issue.
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Massive reading comprehension fail.

The fact that net neutrality exists right now is the very thing that opponents of NN legislation use to say its not needed.

The "if it could be done" refers to keeping the practice of NN without, and here's where it gets sticky so try and follow along, without having the same FCC NippleGate system in charge of the net
 
pipelineaudio said:
Massive reading comprehension fail.

The fact that net neutrality exists right now is the very thing that opponents of NN legislation use to say its not needed.

The "if it could be done" refers to keeping the practice of NN without, and here's where it gets sticky so try and follow along, without having the same FCC NippleGate system in charge of the net
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Yes, obviously, it would be tremendously difficult to keep things the way they are without the FCC getting involved. :rolleyes:


Look, your post was very clearly treating NN as something different that needed to be implemented:

The idea that the FCC would then be in control of the internet terrifies me.
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This statement makes no sense with your "explanation." Even without your "explanation," it's simply factually wrong. We have NN now, and unless I missed a really important memo, the FCC is not in control of the Internet and there's no indication that they will be anytime in the foreseeable future.

There's no shame in being wrong. But don't try to make it my fault with some crapola about "reading comprehension." It just makes you look petty.


Massive backpedaling fail.
 
Cleon said:
This statement makes no sense with your "explanation." Even without your "explanation," it's simply factually wrong. We have NN now, and unless I missed a really important memo, the FCC is not in control of the Internet and there's no indication that they will be anytime in the foreseeable future.
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But we only have it now at the sufferance of ISP's.
 
pipelineaudio said:
The actual idea of NN seems very sensible to me, and if it could be done without the FCC or anyone else taking over, I am very much in favor
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The problem is that, through such stupoid measures as McCain's proposed "Internet Freedom Act," the corporations are trying to take it over and build toll booths.

I far prefer that it be left to the FCC. We can vote out the people who appoint corporate toadies to the FCC. The corporations are above the law. They need to lose, not gain, their hold on natural monopolies like the Net.
 
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Yes, obviously, it would be tremendously difficult to keep things the way they are without the FCC getting involved. :rolleyes:
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Maybe you should read this thread again. If this thread is NOT regarding the pending NN legislation, then I was mistaken

Generally when you read someone is "for NN" they don't mean they'd like to let things stay as they are, they are looking for policy clarification, legislation and/or agreements between parties to ensure NN in the future. One way suggested is thru FCC policy. Maybe you can connect the dots now
 
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