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Elind said:
I think there have been plenty of examples given but, if you insist, it is the pretense that Islam itself has nothing to do with Radical Islam (or terrorism, or Islamic Theocracy dictatorships, or second class rights for women). All that bad stuff is just an abberation of (as we hear here) 0.0001 percent of Muslims, and anyone who suggests differently is a bigot.
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There are approximately 1.5 billion Muslims on the planet. Is it your position that all of them are extremists who espouse the beliefs you have enumerated?
 
Elind said:
Most people who are critical of Islam don't hate all Muslims. You can't seem to understand the distinction.
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But when you say things like:
Elind said:
... it is the pretense that Islam itself has nothing to do with Radical Islam (or terrorism, or Islamic Theocracy dictatorships, or second class rights for women).
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you make it quite difficult to even see the distinction.
 
GreNME said:
So, you're openly stating that your objection to this is because you consider the whole of Islam to be evil and equivalent to great evils of last century? A simple yes or no answer would be acceptable.
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Well according to Amb, every last one of them wants to overthrow the West (post#785)


amb said:
In the muslim world, a moderate believes you can take the West down without violence, while radicals believe it can only be done by jihad. That's the only difference between them.

http://www.actforamerica.org/
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And here I thought opposition to Park51 was rooted in bigotry and ignorance.

Clearly I was mistaken.
 
Elind said:
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My daughter and her girl friends were groped and accosted by one of these crowds after being caught up in downtown Paris ritual car burn. They will never return there.
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I certainly can't blame them for feeling that way, but I'm a little surprised that they ever went there in the first place.

Everybody knows what inveterate gropers the Parisians are.
 
Elind said:
I understand that you speak for yourself. No need to explain that.
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No, the only thing you need to explain is how associating Islam with terrorism doesn't make you a bigot.
 
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Elind said:
Read the news.
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So loquacious earlier in the thread, and now suddenly... not.

How strange...

It's almost as if you realize you've painted yourself into a corner.

So let's review.

First you said this (bolding mine):
Elind said:
... the pretense that Islam itself has nothing to do with Radical Islam (or terrorism, or Islamic Theocracy dictatorships, or second class rights for women).
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A statement that makes it quite clear you associate Islam with terrorism.

And then you said this:
Elind said:
Most people who are critical of Islam don't hate all Muslims.
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I think it's fair to say that associating Islam with terrorism can be defined as being "critical". And yet despite the fact that you associate Islam with terrorism, you claim to not hate all Muslims.

Why?

Is it because you support terrorism?

Or is it because you fail to recognize the cognitive dissonance in holding two mutually exclusive opinions?
 
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amb said:
No comparison. Those events probably saved the the lives of up to a million American soldiers lives had they had to invade the islands of Japan itself one by one. There was no sign that the Japanese were about to surrender. This furphy is often trotted out by the left to imply that only America ever used atomic bombs on another country.
You can bet your life on it that had Hitler or even the Japanese had the bomb in 1945, they would have obliterated London and the Japanese would have had no hesitation in also using it.
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So 9/11, 7/7 and the Bali bombings were worse than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings?

:confused:
 
Elind said:
I think there have been plenty of examples given but, if you insist, it is the pretense that Islam itself has nothing to do with Radical Islam (or terrorism, or Islamic Theocracy dictatorships, or second class rights for women). All that bad stuff is just an abberation of (as we hear here) 0.0001 percent of Muslims, and anyone who suggests differently is a bigot.

That is what apologists say.

Here is a good summary of one part of the world.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/

My daughter and her girl friends were groped and accosted by one of these crowds after being caught up in downtown Paris ritual car burn. They will never return there.
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You haven't given any actual examples of "apologists" apologizing for Islam.
 
Elind said:
My daughter and her girl friends were groped and accosted by one of these crowds after being caught up in downtown Paris ritual car burn. They will never return there.
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What has the rioting and car burning in Paris got to do with Islam?
 
Travis said:
I'm still waiting to hear how the funding is in any way relevant.
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You would accept money from cold blooded murderers for your pet project?
Where's the feeling of outrage of such an idea?
Isn't that rubbing salt into the wounds of the victims of 9/11 loved ones?
 
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