Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

jammonius said:
Patricia Ondrovic is a valid eyewitness. She was an EMT who's statement is among the 503 Task Force Witness Statements.
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Actually, no. She did not, at the time of the oral histories interview, have a very clear recollection of what happened. Her mental state was such that her testimony is not useful for the purposes of proving or disproving DEW.
 
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fess said:
I’m not sure how things work in the UK, but on some of the bases I was stationed at, trying to get through one of the ‘civilian” owned gates you speak of would have gotten you shot between the lookers! :eye-poppi
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While I cannot know, absent a further clarification from you, Fess, I can, however, say that one implication of the above post is that you do not take the Eisenhower MIC admonition seriously and that, instead, you are more inclined to acquiesce in MIC secrecy, influence and control over us.

If you care to clarify, then, do please post.
 
leftysergeant said:
Actually, no. She did not, at the time of the oral histories interview, have a very clear recollection of what happened. Her mental state was such that her testimony is not useful for the purposes of proving or disproving DEW.
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Your attempt to minimize Patricia Ondrovic's accuracy is just that: An attempt at minimization. Still, I must commend you for being among the first to even mention her statement.

Posters around here will probably start spouting off that I have not offered proof of DEW when, in fact, I have offered important eyewitness testimony.

Let's see, shall we, how long it takes for other posters to take notice of Our Patricia Ondrovic. :eye-poppi

all the best
 
Mr. Skinny said:
Well, Eisenhower is no longer the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, and all of the CIC's I've worked for (Ronald Reagan and forward) have instructed me similarly regarding security requirements, and guess what? You don't get to know what I know, so don't waste your time asking.


That all sounds very righteous. I recommend you try it out on the gate guards when you pull up for your ID check. Just don't be suprised if you end up staring down the end of a Baretta semi-automatic pistol and/or an M-16.


See above.
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OK, now that we've engaged in that little pas de deux can we now return to posting up useful information about DEW about PSYOPs and about the MIC? I should certainly hope so.

Do you spend any time giving consideration to these issues, Skinny; and, if so, please post what you can.

Do you have any observations concerning what Our Patricia Ondrovic tesified seeing on 9/11 up in the sky out over Jersey?

Do you have any comment on the DEW videos posted?

Do you have any useful comment on PSYOPs and on the public/private/partnerships between the US military apparatus and corporate America, especially, once again, the likes of SAIC and ARA. Did you read the snipets about SAIC in that Madsden article I linked?

Come on Skinny, will you please get with the program?

thanks in advance
 
jammonius said:
Cut the pedantic, rhetorical crap and deal with the eyewitness, Patricia Ondrovic, I have presented you with.
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Jammonius I don't know if you've seen this recently released video.

'Really ?...Did you not notice that the street was knee-deep in paper and yet only the cars were blazing ......Wow....'

It's a very interesting video and it may be entirely at home here..

http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STUDIES#p/u/7/ZduP7HTM3cg

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146032&page=4 thread link

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-9e...t_fuel_did_not_cause_this_destruction_period/ extra link.
 
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bill smith said:
Jammomonius I don't know if you've seen this recently released video.

'Really ?...Did you not notice that the street was knee-deep in paper and yet only the cars were blazing ......Wow....'
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Source please.
 
jammonius said:
While I cannot know, absent a further clarification from you, Fess, I can, however, say that one implication of the above post is that you do not take the Eisenhower MIC admonition seriously and that, instead, you are more inclined to acquiesce in MIC secrecy, influence and control over us.

If you care to clarify, then, do please post.
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Just out of curiosity (and I know it's a bit of a derail), Do you think the whole defense industry should be abolished?
 
jammonius said:
OK, now that we've engaged in that little pas de deux can we now return to posting up useful information about DEW about PSYOPs and about the MIC? I should certainly hope so.
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Keep hoping.

Do you spend any time giving consideration to these issues, Skinny; and, if so, please post what you can.
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I've spent some time reading your blather regarding these issues, and admit that I find them hilarious.

Do you have any observations concerning what Our Patricia Ondrovic tesified seeing on 9/11 up in the sky out over Jersey?
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Nope. Never heard of her prior to a couple of days ago.

Do you have any comment on the DEW videos posted?
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No.

Do you have any useful comment on PSYOPs and on the public/private/partnerships between the US military apparatus and corporate America, especially, once again, the likes of SAIC and ARA. Did you read the snipets about SAIC in that Madsden article I linked?
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No and no. I'm interested in evidence of your DEW theory. So far, all you've offered is, well, frankly, NOTHING.

Come on Skinny, will you please get with the program?
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I'm waiting for you to go first. Hard evidence would be a good starting point.

thanks in advance
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You're welcome.
 
jammonius said:
Your attempt to minimize Patricia Ondrovic's accuracy is just that: An attempt at minimization. Still, I must commend you for being among the first to even mention her
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Her testimony is completely irrelevant. It starts AFTER both towers have been hit. Her statement to have seen planes turn into fireballs is attributed to her state of panic after being told that other planes were headed towards New York. Of course, this doesn't matter to you since it's been proven that you don't believe in any of the conspiracy theories. So, we are still waiting for actual proof that DEW was used on the towers. If what she claimed she saw happened, where are the missing persons report for the crew and passengers of those planes?
 
bill smith said:
Jammonius I don't know if you've seen this recently released video.

'Really ?...Did you not notice that the street was knee-deep in paper and yet only the cars were blazing ......Wow....'

It's a very interesting video and it may be entirely at home here..

http://www.youtube.com/user/IC911STUDIES#p/u/7/ZduP7HTM3cg

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146032&page=4 thread link

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-9e...t_fuel_did_not_cause_this_destruction_period/ extra link.
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Hi Bill,

Yes, that video makes a compelling case for DEW based on the oddity of cars, otherwise undamaged from debris being fully consumed by fire, especially in the engine compartments, while paper lies unaffected. As you probably know, this is a claim that has been made by Dr. Judy Wood for over 4 years, based on the use of visual evidence similar to that found in the video.

I think I'm going to take a very close look at the video and post accordingly.

Thanks for posting this. I will also take a closer look at the thread on the video.

all the best
 
lapman said:
Her testimony is completely irrelevant. It starts AFTER both towers have been hit. Her statement to have seen planes turn into fireballs is attributed to her state of panic after being told that other planes were headed towards New York. Of course, this doesn't matter to you since it's been proven that you don't believe in any of the conspiracy theories. So, we are still waiting for actual proof that DEW was used on the towers. If what she claimed she saw happened, where are the missing persons report for the crew and passengers of those planes?
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Thank you for your speculative rationalization of the witness statement of Our Patricia Ondrovic. Your speculation is, of course, as good/bad as that of anyone else who might like to speculate about what she reported seeing.

Also apropos to this thread on the MIC and on Eisenhower's MIC admonition, please take a look at the redacting of Our Patricia Ondrovic's statement.

Whatever it was she saw and reported seeing, it appears to have run afoul of what We the People are being allowed to know about 9/11:

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I don't think it can be fairly claimed that Our Patricia Ondrovic did not report properly what she saw. Rather, the evidence actually confirms that she saw accurately and she reported it. Furthermore, Patricia Ondrovic had the presence of mind to determine what was going on, or so it can be claimed. She said, and I quote:

That was a military operation.

Then, after saying that, her statement is redacted. But, therein lies a real question: Who had the authority to redact the statement of a 9/11 witness who was working as an EMT? Who redacted the statement and where is the full statement being kept? The element of secrecy in connection with what a civilian saw on 9/11 is utterly and completely beyond the scope of reason in a free society. We have the right to know what Patricia Ondrovic saw and the redacting of her statement is unacceptable. True, there is little that can be done about it, probably; but, therein lies the reaason for the, you guessed it, Eisenhower MIC admonition.

Chances are, those of you who support the common storyline are willing to rationalize, justify, explain away or simply ignore this plain as day censorship of our right to know what happened on 9/11. What you cannot do, however, is claim I have not shown you the evidence.

There it is, posters, lurkers and victims family members.

In effect, she saw too much and that is why her statement is blacked out and why the attempt to minimize the importance of what she saw.

Hear this:

Patricia Ondrovic is an American Heroine in connection with revealing the truth of 9/11.

For that, we should all be grateful.
 
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Mr. Skinny said:
Keep hoping.


I've spent some time reading your blather regarding these issues, and admit that I find them hilarious.


Nope. Never heard of her prior to a couple of days ago.


No.


No and no. I'm interested in evidence of your DEW theory. So far, all you've offered is, well, frankly, NOTHING.


I'm waiting for you to go first. Hard evidence would be a good starting point.


You're welcome.
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Ah so, you're willing to engage in a process where you withhold information on one hand, and judge what I post on the other.

That is rich.
 
jammonius said:
Ah so, you're willing to engage in a process where you withhold information on one hand, and judge what I post on the other.

That is rich.
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The funny part is, no one really cares what you post. Your one of only a handful in the world that believes in the fantasy that you describe to be 9/11.


We're just messing with you.

Sorry.


:D
 
jammonius said:
Thank you for your speculative rationalization of the witness statement of Our Patricia Ondrovic. Your speculation is, of course, as good/bad as that of anyone else who might like to speculate about what she reported seeing.
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My speculations is based on sound psychological principles while your's is completely based on fantasy.
Also apropos to this thread on the MIC and on Eisenhower's MIC admonition, please take a look at the redacting of Our Patricia Ondrovic's statement.

Whatever it was she saw and reported seeing, it appears to have run afoul of what We the People are being allowed to know about 9/11:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/album3/pg13--redactmilitaryoperation.jpg?t=1283784095[/qimg]
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Speculation based on pure fantasy. In that section, she is talking about the effect of the day on her. That is not speculation.
I don't think it can be fairly claimed that Our Patricia Ondrovic did not report properly what she saw. Rather, the evidence actually confirms that she saw accurately and she reported it. Furthermore, Patricia Ondrovic had the presence of mind to determine what was going on, or so it can be claimed. She said, and I quote:

That was a military operation.
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Source?
Then, after saying that, her statement is redacted. But, therein lies a real question: Who had the authority to redact the statement of a 9/11 witness who was working as an EMT? Who redacted the statement and where is the full statement being kept? The element of secrecy in connection with what a civilian saw on 9/11 is utterly and completely beyond the scope of reason in a free society. We have the right to know what Patricia Ondrovic saw and the redacting of her statement is unacceptable. True, there is little that can be done about it, probably; but, therein lies the reaason for the, you guessed it, Eisenhower MIC admonition.
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More fantasy based speculation and shows that you have no idea what the concept of privacy laws are.
Chances are, those of you who support the common storyline are willing to rationalize, justify, explain away or simply ignore this plain as day censorship of our right to know what happened on 9/11. What you cannot do, however, is claim I have not shown you the evidence.
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Yes we can claim that since this is not evidence of anything. It's just more fantasy based speculation and further proof that you have no interest in the truth. The fact that you twist and pervert this womans horrific ordeal to further your agenda only shows what an uncaring, pathetic individual you are.
There it is, posters, lurkers and victims family members.

In effect, she saw too much and that is why her statement is blacked out and why the attempt to minimize the importance of what she saw.
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Fantasy based speculation.
Hear this:

Patricia Ondrovic is an American Heroine in connection with revealing the truth of 9/11.

For that, we should all be grateful.
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More fantasy based speculation. The real truth is already known. It's the delusional people like yourself that use this tragedy to your own advantage.
 
DGM said:
The funny part is, no one really cares what you post. Your one of only a handful in the world that believes in the fantasy that you describe to be 9/11.


We're just messing with you.

Sorry.


:D
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Here's more of what Patricia Ondrovic revealed and more evidence of the withholding from the public of what she saw.

It is also quite clear that Patricia Ondrovic was upset because of what she saw, not because she was weak, but rather, because of the extraordinary nature of what she saw.

It is fair and reasonable to interpret her statement as being consistent with her being one of the foremost DEW witnesses there is.

I do not know how many people agree with what has been proven to be the case (that DEW was a causal factor in the destruction of the WTC on 9/11), but I do assert that Patricia Ondrovic not only agrees, but she is also a direct eyewitness.

Read it (what can be read) and weep:

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jammonius said:
Ah so, you're willing to engage in a process where you withhold information on one hand, and judge what I post on the other.

That is rich.
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You have no security clearance that I'm aware of, and you have no "need to know" classified information even if you do have a clearance.

You can avail yourself of any publically available information that you can find. Beyond that, I can't help you. In fact, I don't even know what information you think I'm withholding. Does the fact that I work for the Air Force mean that I have access to all the "secrets" of the MIC? I'd tell you to "get serious", but your world view is so bizzare IMHO, I'm not sure what "serious" would mean to you.

And yes, I'll continue to criticize what you posts as I see fit. Sorry if you don't like it.
 
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