Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

[DGM]

The "this" is based on a clear, specific admonition from a US president who, prior to 8 years as president was one of only a very few individuals who attained the rank of 5-star general (there are no such at present), and who was not ever known for being either shrill or paranoid.

Your declaration of paranoia not only has no rational basis, it is the opposite of what reason demands.

Do better, a lot better

You do know that he said this 50 years ago? Do you think we still live in that same world (so to speak)?

 

[Andy_Ross]

There exists in this thread adequate information, links and sources for you to find your answers to your questions. You must do this on your own, as in most quests for knowledge.

I have seen no evidence of any technology that can 'dustify' a skyscraper and make it 'fume' for months. All from space.

Why don't you explain for me?

I don't think you have any idea yourself.

 

[DGM]

Jammonius:
from his speech,

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war – as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years – I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

What do you think this means in regards to his comments on the MIC?

ETA: Don't forget the time period, just after Korea and at the start of the war Vietnam.

 

[jammonius]

I'm a Safety Engineer working for the Air Force and have worked in that capacity for 25+ years. I've never made a secret of that information on this forum.

I'm not sure how knowing that advances your evidence free theories about DEW, holograms, and other nonsense, but what the hell...you did ask nicely.

Never forget that the MIC is watching you though. See that black sedan parked down the road? Yep, it's the MIC monitoring your every move.

Ah, very interesting. Thank you for mentioning this, apparently for not the first time.

In any event, might I inquire as to whether you work at or on AFBs; and, if so which ones?

thanks

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Ah, very interesting. Thank you for mentioning this, apparently for not the first time.

In any event, might I inquire as to whether you work at or on AFBs; and, if so which ones?

thanks

Well, let me direct you to the area that displays my screen name and avatar. Below that, it lists my location.

Given your "investigation-by-connecting-the-dots" capabilities, I'll let you take a guess. If you're right, I'll tell you. If your wrong, well, I don't play that 20 questions game, if you know what I mean.

 

[jammonius]

You do know that he said this 50 years ago? Do you think we still live in that same world (so to speak)?

DGM,

The above post of yours won't do. It does not pass muster. We are well past the stage where a milque toast question of that nature would need to be considered by anyone posting here. Furthermore, if you cannot answer that question for yourself, or make some claim, if that is what you want to do, then why bother.

You have been presented with information showing the depth of involvment of SAIC and ARA in DEW and PSYOPs.

Will you get with the program and post something useful?

thanks

 

[jammonius]

Well, let me direct you to the area that displays my screen name and avatar. Below that, it lists my location.

Given your "investigation-by-connecting-the-dots" capabilities, I'll let you take a guess. If you're right, I'll tell you. If your wrong, well, I don't play that 20 questions game, if you know what I mean.

Holy smoke. You are right. I should have examined your avatar and location.

I will have to assume you are at Wright Pat and that is a major Mecca for DEW. The AFRL has had a major facility there and major DEW applications have been carried out there. From what I understand, some aspects relating to DEW have been transferred out to Kirtland AFB from Wright Pat in the recent past.

I recall awhile back looking over some faculty members biographies and corresponding with a few at AFRL at Wright Pat. At one point, I was going to go out for a 'look see' but that didn't happen at that particular time (Spring '09). Perhaps something along those lines will materialize this autumn, we'll see.

If so, I will post a heads up.

If there are any links to the website specifically relating to faculty members, classes offered, contracts that are up for grabs or other information of a public nature about DEW that you think might be worth sharing, permit me to request you do so.

OK, Skinny, you may well be a person who can add greatly to the quality of this thread.

Mind you, I have always said and I here reiterate that I am only seeking publicly available information.

all the best

 

[DGM]

DGM,

The above post of yours won't do. It does not pass muster. We are well past the stage where a milque toast question of that nature would need to be considered by anyone posting here. Furthermore, if you cannot answer that question for yourself, or make some claim, if that is what you want to do, then why bother.

You have been presented with information showing the depth of involvment of SAIC and ARA in DEW and PSYOPs.

Will you get with the program and post something useful?

thanks

After you!

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Holy smoke. You are right. I should have examined your avatar and location.

See, even you need to "get better".

I will have to assume you are at Wright Pat and that is a major Mecca for DEW. The AFRL has had a major facility there and major DEW applications have been carried out there. From what I understand, some aspects relating to DEW have been transferred out to Kirtland AFB from Wright Pat in the recent past.

Yes, I do work at Wright-Patterson.

I recall awhile back looking over some faculty members biographies and corresponding with a few at AFRL at Wright Pat. At one point, I was going to go out for a 'look see' but that didn't happen at that particular time (Spring '09). Perhaps something along those lines will materialize this autumn, we'll see.

If so, I will post a heads up.

Faculty members? AFRL isn't the Air Force Institue of Technology (AFIT). AFRL doesn't have "faculty members".

I wouldn't plan on showing up at WPAFB for a "look see" unless you have some official business there. The Air Police at the gates don't just let people drive on base for a "look see".

If there are any links to the website specifically relating to faculty members, classes offered, contracts that are up for grabs or other information of a public nature about DEW that you think might be worth sharing, permit me to request you do so.

Again, AFRL is The Air Force Research Laboratory. It's not a school, and it doesn't offer classes. Do better, jammonious.

OK, Skinny, you may well be a person who can add greatly to the quality of this thread.

Mind you, I have always said and I here reiterate that I am only seeking publicly available information.

And you will get no information from me that isn't publicly available, so I don't see how I can "add greatly" to the quality of this thread. Spend your time re-connecting with reality.

all the best

Sure. Love and light to you too.

FluffyMysticalSkinny

 

[jammonius]

OK, first an acknowledgment of an error, as pointed out by Skinny. In my prior post, Skinny was correct that my references to AFRL should have been to the AFIT. With that said, Skinny, I would, nonetheless, urge you to be more forthcoming in your posting.

Please do not hold back.

Now, back to BigAl's second video. The one found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVxZ9IHTH2E

Here's what we can be made of it in summary form:

Explanatory table:

1--Tactical High Energy Laser
2--THEL another view
3--Now called MTHEL, it can shoot projectiles out of the sky
4--It can shoot artillery shells out of the sky after they've been fired and before they land. That's pretty swift, wouldn't posters agree?
5--Artillery shell getting zapped
6--It is acknowledged that MTHEL can do rockets in too
7--It is unclear whether the beam is visible, either day or night. Anyone ever seen one in action; if so, what can you post up about your experience?
8--Here we are in black/white mode again; and, yet again, the 3 images like that reported by Our Patricia Ondrovic. By the way, posters, I'm surprised there has been no acknowledgment of the significance of her eyewitness testimony concerning DEW and 9/11. I've led you to water, posters...
9--Everything got zapped.

Well BigAl, I have now posted up on both of your videos and I think I can speak for all of us posters, lurkers and victims family members that we are much obliged for your having brought these videos to our attention.

They are useful, however, they are just the beginning of our exploration. Come on posters, come on lurkers, come on victims family members, please let's all post up what we can. The MIC is developing hideously destructive DEW in our name and we need to know a lot more about DEW than we currently know.

We need to post up here.

This is important.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

You don't get it. The MIC is showing you what they want you to know about weapons that are horrifically destructive.

The degree of resistance to facing up to the dangers of the MIC, as evidenced by yours and other posts, is astonishing. Small wonder, then, that the MIC has such an easy time in manipulating public opinion.

sheesh

Are you really this stupid? The MIC also employees ten of thousands of people and if you really think they would have a developed a weapon capable of destroying the WTC towers, seen it being used to kill thousands of their fellow citizens and kept absolutely quiet about it you know nothing of human nature.
Why would the NWO or the MIC or the MCC or the NRA or the BBC (you cters do love your acronyms use a super secret weapon and risk exposure when they could use the much simpler weapon of two 767s?

Please give a coherent answer why they would do that? even a wild assed guess would be nice!

 

[sheeplesnshills]

OK, first an acknowledgment of an error, as pointed out by Skinny. In my prior post, Skinny was correct that my references to AFRL should have been to the AFIT. With that said, Skinny, I would, nonetheless, urge you to be more forthcoming in your posting.

Please do not hold back.

Now, back to BigAl's second video. The one found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVxZ9IHTH2E

Here's what we can be made of it in summary form:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/album3/laservideo221.jpg?t=1283733816[/qimg]


Explanatory table:

1--Tactical High Energy Laser
2--THEL another view
3--Now called MTHEL, it can shoot projectiles out of the sky
4--It can shoot artillery shells out of the sky after they've been fired and before they land. That's pretty swift, wouldn't posters agree?
5--Artillery shell getting zapped
6--It is acknowledged that MTHEL can do rockets in too
7--It is unclear whether the beam is visible, either day or night. Anyone ever seen one in action; if so, what can you post up about your experience?
8--Here we are in black/white mode again; and, yet again, the 3 images like that reported by Our Patricia Ondrovic. By the way, posters, I'm surprised there has been no acknowledgment of the significance of her eyewitness testimony concerning DEW and 9/11. I've led you to water, posters...
9--Everything got zapped.

Well BigAl, I have now posted up on both of your videos and I think I can speak for all of us posters, lurkers and victims family members that we are much obliged for your having brought these videos to our attention.

They are useful, however, they are just the beginning of our exploration. Come on posters, come on lurkers, come on victims family members, please let's all post up what we can. The MIC is developing hideously destructive DEW in our name and we need to know a lot more about DEW than we currently know.

We need to post up here.

This is important.

Have you any idea what the difference in mass between an artillery shell and the WTC towers were? Have a guess. lets see if you can do even that bit of basic research

And since the MIC has H-Bombs why would we be worried about DEW????

 

[Mr. Skinny]

OK, first an acknowledgment of an error, as pointed out by Skinny. In my prior post, Skinny was correct that my references to AFRL should have been to the AFIT. With that said, Skinny, I would, nonetheless, urge you to be more forthcoming in your posting.

Please do not hold back.

(snip)

I don't know what you mean about being "more forthcoming". I've told you what I do, and where I work, etc.

If you continue to press me for more information, I'll be obliged to report you to my local OSI folks. They don't like people like you who try to drag information out of people like me.

Let's avoid that scenario entirely, OK?

 

[jammonius]

I don't know what you mean about being "more forthcoming". I've told you what I do, and where I work, etc.

And, I feel certain there is more that can be discussed, if you're willing to be forthcoming and especially if you recognize the importance of the Eisenhower MIC admonition. I'm basically suggesting you do your duty.

If you continue to press me for more information, I'll be obliged to report you to my local OSI folks. They don't like people like you who try to drag information out of people like me.

Let's avoid that scenario entirely, OK?

No. Let's confront it head on. Either you recognize the importance of confronting the stranglehold the MIC has on our society or you don't. Further in this respect, I would like to address one element from your post # 509. In it you state as follows:

"I wouldn't plan on showing up at WPAFB for a "look see" unless you have some official business there. The Air Police at the gates don't just let people drive on base for a "look see".

WPAFB is not a foreign country. It is a part of the military apparatus of the United States of America. It is owned by We the People and it is subject to civilian control under the US Constitution, which makes the people sovereign. True, the MIC inculcates an air of secrecy, of standoffishness, of control by a select few with coveted security clearances and definitely an attitude that they can tell citizens to keep away. I recommend you show this thread to your OSI contacts. In fact, ask them to post up, if you would please.

'Secrecy and its outcomes are what we are confronting in this thread.

Welcome to the fray, Skinny.

Where do you stand with respect to it, Skinny?

Those of us who are heeding the call want to know where you stand, Skinny.

Now is the time for all true patriots to come to the aid of their country.

Heed the call. One 9/11 was quite enough, thank you very much.

 

[jammonius]

Have you any idea what the difference in mass between an artillery shell and the WTC towers were? Have a guess. lets see if you can do even that bit of basic research

And since the MIC has H-Bombs why would we be worried about DEW????

Cut the pedantic, rhetorical crap and deal with the eyewitness, Patricia Ondrovic, I have presented you with.

 

[jammonius]

Are you really this stupid? The MIC also employees ten of thousands of people and if you really think they would have a developed a weapon capable of destroying the WTC towers, seen it being used to kill thousands of their fellow citizens and kept absolutely quiet about it you know nothing of human nature.
Why would the NWO or the MIC or the MCC or the NRA or the BBC (you cters do love your acronyms use a super secret weapon and risk exposure when they could use the much simpler weapon of two 767s?

Please give a coherent answer why they would do that? even a wild assed guess would be nice!

You are not up to speed in the least. I have addressed this issue head on.

I have plainly indicated the military exercises that took place on 9/11 were a means by which and through which the hideous destruction, the shock & awe control mechanism and the devastatingly wicked stranglehold on the US that were the planned result and outcome of the event, could have been carried out with a handful of people, or even less, actually knowing what was taking place.

That is because the SECRECY apparatus -- TOP SECRET AMERICA -- that cordones off information and access to it, that compartmentalizes knowledge and access to it and that separates out tasks into functions that result in blinders being placed on virtually everyone involved, such that all they know is what is on their monitors or in their earphones.

That is why I have said, time and time again, that among the most famous words associated with 9/11 are:

"...Is this exercise or is this real world?...

In that statement is to be found the means by which 9/11 was confirmed to have been a secrecy undertaking, known, in full, by only a very few.

I have also frequently said we do not know who carried out 9/11 and no attempt to find out has ever been seriously undertaken.

We do not even know who financed 9/11, which, had it been done by people operating out of a cave in Afghanistan, could have been and would have been easily ascertained. It wasn't.

Here's a link and proof of the lack of any determination as to who financed 9/11, as I am reasonably sure that my prior posting of this information has gone unacknowledged:

"To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks."

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrFin_App.pdf

pg 14/22

 

[dc1971]

DGM,

The above post of yours won't do. It does not pass muster. We are well past the stage where a milque toast question of that nature would need to be considered by anyone posting here. Furthermore, if you cannot answer that question for yourself, or make some claim, if that is what you want to do, then why bother.

You have been presented with information showing the depth of involvment of SAIC and ARA in DEW and PSYOPs.

Will you get with the program and post something useful?

thanks

Possibly! If... then... so... maybe... you might do the same?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

You do know that he said this 50 years ago? Do you think we still live in that same world (so to speak)?

Shadowy organizations bent on world domination always operate on geological timescales, so... probably.

 

[fess]

Originally Posted by jammonius-WPAFB is not a foreign country. It is a part of the military apparatus of the United States of America. It is owned by We the People and it is subject to civilian control under the US Constitution, which makes the people sovereign. True, the MIC inculcates an air of secrecy, of standoffishness, of control by a select few with coveted security clearances and definitely an attitude that they can tell citizens to keep away. I recommend you show this thread to your OSI contacts. In fact, ask them to post up, if you would please.

I’m not sure how things work in the UK, but on some of the bases I was stationed at, trying to get through one of the ‘civilian” owned gates you speak of would have gotten you shot between the lookers!

 

[Mr. Skinny]

And, I feel certain there is more that can be discussed, if you're willing to be forthcoming and especially if you recognize the importance of the Eisenhower MIC admonition. I'm basically suggesting you do your duty.

Well, Eisenhower is no longer the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, and all of the CIC's I've worked for (Ronald Reagan and forward) have instructed me similarly regarding security requirements, and guess what? You don't get to know what I know, so don't waste your time asking.

No. Let's confront it head on. Either you recognize the importance of confronting the stranglehold the MIC has on our society or you don't. Further in this respect, I would like to address one element from your post # 509. In it you state as follows:

"I wouldn't plan on showing up at WPAFB for a "look see" unless you have some official business there. The Air Police at the gates don't just let people drive on base for a "look see".

WPAFB is not a foreign country. It is a part of the military apparatus of the United States of America. It is owned by We the People and it is subject to civilian control under the US Constitution, which makes the people sovereign. True, the MIC inculcates an air of secrecy, of standoffishness, of control by a select few with coveted security clearances and definitely an attitude that they can tell citizens to keep away. I recommend you show this thread to your OSI contacts. In fact, ask them to post up, if you would please.

That all sounds very righteous. I recommend you try it out on the gate guards when you pull up for your ID check. Just don't be suprised if you end up staring down the end of a Baretta semi-automatic pistol and/or an M-16.

'Secrecy and its outcomes are what we are confronting in this thread.

Welcome to the fray, Skinny.

Where do you stand with respect to it, Skinny?

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums...isenhower_in_the_Oval_Office.jpg?t=1283742708

Those of us who are heeding the call want to know where you stand, Skinny.

Now is the time for all true patriots to come to the aid of their country.

Heed the call. One 9/11 was quite enough, thank you very much.

See above.