Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission

[TexasJack]

Of course I can, and to say it's not true shows that you don't pay attention. Again, start a thread about it if you can't figure it out yourself. But be patient, today i am already busy here and elsewhere.

I'm not going to start a thread. If you can't back up a claim, it's garbage until you do, regardless of your busy schedule.

 

[Childlike Empress]

DGM: In other words, what seemed to be logical to you turned out to based on nothing (but bolded). You can't produce a quote.

This question came from the PDF i've posted. The authors are not satisfied.

 

[DGM]

DGM: In other words, what seemed to be logical to you turned out to based on nothing (but bolded). You can't produce a quote.

This question came from the PDF i've posted. The authors are not satisfied.

Were the "authors" the "Family steering committee"?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Did you watch the videos?

 

[BigAl]

DGM: In other words, what seemed to be logical to you turned out to based on nothing (but bolded). You can't produce a quote.

This question came from the PDF i've posted. The authors are not satisfied.

As of what date? Any historical demand for an investigation has been overcome by events.

 

[Childlike Empress]

BigAl, why did you invoke space beams?
DGM, please tell sabretooth that his reasoning was flawed.

 

[DGM]

Did you watch the videos?

No, why? I don't really like being told what to think. I looked at the original question and researched for myself. How about you?

 

[Childlike Empress]

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[funk de fino]

Didn't the "family steering committee" disband shortly after the commission report came out?

They seemed pretty happy with work of the Commission.

When the Commission concluded its investigation, it issued a report containing 41 recommendations for improving our nation's security. The report did not answer all of our questions, but its in-depth analysis of intelligence, foreign policy, security and other failures and subsequent recommendations for improvement were reforms we could endorse. The FSC then focused our efforts on ensuring that those recommendations would be implemented. Congress responded by holding hearings and drafting legislation. After a rigorous battle, a bill incorporating many of the 9/11 Commission recommendations passed both Houses of Congress and was signed
into law on December 17, 2004.

 

[funk de fino]

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That was a good idea.

 

[Sabretooth]

BigAl, why did you invoke space beams?
DGM, please tell sabretooth that his reasoning was flawed.

The question part 1:
Were flight schools notified?

Answer: no.

The question part 2:
If not, then why?

Answer: because the memo was not passed up the proper chain.

Read the article.

 

[BigAl]

BigAl, why did you invoke space beams?
DGM, please tell sabretooth that his reasoning was flawed.

Because when an advocate for a "new independent investigation" bases the demand on fantasy and impossible physics instead of making his case based on, say, a fact-based description of how much the FBI offices knew prior to 9/11/2001 and how the investigation was botched at FBI HQ.

101% of the people demanding a new investigation don't know who a hero, Coleen Rowley is and why she is all by herself an argument that there are investigations to be done, or there were until Amy B. Zegart wrote her recent book, Spying Blind.

Instead, the people demanding a new investigation are distracted and blinded by bright shiny objects; man-made demolition, no-planes and space beams.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Instead, the people demanding a new investigation are distracted and blinded by bright shiny objects; man-made demolition, no-planes and space beams.

Well, what are you going to do about it? I know about Coleen Rowley and she's also mentioned in Gold's factsheet:

Fact #19
Several Whistleblowers have come forward over the years with information pertinent to the 9/11 attacks.

Most were ignored or censored by the 9/11 Commission.

Some of these people are John M. Cole (Senior Counterintelligence Operations Manager-FBI), Bogdan Dzakovic (Former Red Team Leader-FAA), Sibel Edmonds (Language Specialist-FBI), Behrooz Sarshar (Language Specialist-FBI), Melvin A. Goodman (Former Senior Analyst/ Division Manager-CIA), Gilbert Graham (Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence-FBI), Coleen Rowley (Retired Division Counsel- FBI), John Vincent(Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism-FBI), Robert Wright (Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism-FB), Mark Burton (Senior Analyst- NSA), Mike German (Special Agent, Counterterrorism-FBI), Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, and Scott Philpott.

9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza said “Sibel came to, actually, the four widows, and asked us if she could get a hearing with the Commission because nobody of the Commission was responding to her requests to testify. And part of the problem with testifying, um… as someone who’s working for one of the agencies, is that, they have to be careful with state secrets, what they reveal. And, in order to be a whistle-blower, and not be retaliated against, most whistle-blowers need to be subpoenaed, cause then their co-workers, and those who might retaliate against them, know that under penalty of, ya know, law, they could be… um… ya know, accused of being traitors and what not, and put in jail, or executed. So, most whistle-blowers were… did not come forward on the basis of what happened to Sibel Edmonds. Um, Sibel brought us many whistle-blowers, and I submitted them personally to Governor Kean, who was the Chairman of the Commission. And I said, “these people are not being subpoenaed. They will not come before the Commission voluntarily unless they are subpoenaed.” And, he promised me… to my face that “every whistle-blower would be… indeed heard.” And, most were not heard. Sibel was only heard because we dragged her in and surprised the Commission on one of the days we were meeting with them… that we had her with us. Um, we met other whistle-blowers on the side of the road in Maryland, ya know, to hear what they could tell us. None of them revealed state secrets to us by the way (laughs)… um, but, they had information… and basically, the Government knew… ya know, other than the exact moment… they knew the date, andthe method of which the attacks were supposed to come. (pauses) And none of this made it to mainstream media. None of it made it into the Commission. And yet, again, all of your Representatives, on the day that the Commission book came out, were on their pulpits saying, “What a fabulous job this Commission has done. A real service to this nation.” And it was anything but a service. It was a complete fabrication.”

On October 29th, 2007, Sibel Edmonds agreed to break the gag order that was placed on her, and tell her entire story to the media. Until very recently, the only paper to take the challenge was the Sunday Times. At the time, the media in this country did not give her the time of day with one exception that I know of, and it wasn’t prominently displayed. Sibel’s story mentions the same alleged financier of the 9/11 attacks that Rep. Porter Goss, Sen. Graham, and Sen. Kyl met with on the morning of 9/11. More about Sibel will be mentioned later.

Last i've heard from Rowley was an interview she's given to mentioned Sibel Edmonds in January this year:

Coleen Rowley shares with us her views on the latest spectacle surrounding the Christmas Day foiled terrorist attempt, and how it reflects on policies that were implemented after 9/11. She provides us with insight into the pretend investigations carried out by the 9/11 Commission, and how they conducted many of their interviews of FBI witnesses and experts inside the FBI HQ and offices. Ms. Rowley talks about the absence of real investigations and accountability in almost any government related wrong doing and issues, our shameful treatment of inmates in Guantanamo detention center, the alarming desensitization of our people bolstered by the culprit mainstream media, and much more.

What is the new information in the book you've mentioned?

 

[jammonius]

The 9/11 Commission was established in the teeth of Republican opposition. The families of the victims played a large part in rousing public opinion and shaming the administration into it.

The establishment of the commission was a political compromise because the 9/11 report was due be delivered just before the 2004 presidential election. As a comprimise, the work was split into two phases with the second phase to deal with the administration's decision making and actions leading up to 9/11, and to be delivered well after the election. The second phase almost didn't happen and public outrage was necessary.

I think what you have is part of the campaign to make phase II happen. The date is right.

IMO, awareness of the above has disappeared down the memory hole.

The report was delivered in May 2007. This is probably a good summary of the report.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/05/27/int6.htm

BigAl,

Did the family of your colleague and work-mate, Ed Felt, participate in the struggle to get an investigation into what happened on 9/11?

 

[BigAl]

BigAl,

Did the family of your colleague and work-mate, Ed Felt, participate in the struggle to get an investigation into what happened on 9/11?

What difference could any answer make to a no-planer?

 

[grandmastershek]

Scott, about three years ago i made a comic strip about this. The characters were supposed to be me and Gravy:

The easy way out
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I would love for you you cite where Gravy ever did anything even close to that at anytime anywhere with anyone. Just more evidence you can't handle reality and make up your own to suit your beliefs.

 

[BigAl]

Well, what are you going to do about it? I know about Coleen Rowley and she's also mentioned in Gold's factsheet:

So which is it? Do you accept Rowley's conclusion that Arab Islamists perpetrated the 9/11 hijackings and caused all the death and destruction or was it something else, an "inside job", man-made demolition, etc.

It's kind of either/or.

Last i've heard from Rowley was an interview she's given to mentioned Sibel Edmonds in January this year:

What is the new information in the book you've mentioned?

Read it for yourself.

Spying Blind by Amy B. Zegart

 

[Childlike Empress]

So which is it? Do you accept Rowley's conclusion that Arab Islamists perpetrated the 9/11 hijackings and caused all the death and destruction or was it something else, an "inside job", man-made demolition, etc.

It's kind of either/or.

No it isn't. If Rowley's conclusion is what you describe, i accept it, but she doesn't know. Like you and me. She only knows about her window of experience re:9/11, and this adds to the strong evidence we have that the people who were accused of being the hijackers and sole culprits of 9/11 really existed and that their activities were observed by several entities including the FBI, with investigations apparently tampered with. Rowley's experience, covered up by the 9/11 commission, says nothing about whether or not inside job, man-made demolitions or space beams were part of 9/11.

 

[BigAl]

No it isn't. If Rowley's conclusion is what you describe, i accept it, but she doesn't know. Like you and me. She only knows about her window of experience re:9/11, and this adds to the strong evidence we have that the people who were accused of being the hijackers and sole culprits of 9/11 really existed and that their activities were observed by several entities including the FBI, with investigations apparently tampered with. Rowley's experience, covered up by the 9/11 commission, says nothing about whether or not inside job, man-made demolitions or space beams were part of 9/11.

That's a whole lot of word salad following that "if".

None of it appears to be grounded in reality.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Evade much?