Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission

[carlitos]

Reasons Jon Gold can't investigate 9/11

• Laziness?
• Ignorance?
• Lack of funds?
• ????

 

[Childlike Empress]

The article explains that the memo did not follow the proper chain to get to the right people. Thus answering the portion of the question "If not, please explain".

You are kidding, right? There's nothing in the article that answers the question if this investigation led to any advises to flight schools. You really have to do better than that. I won't bother to look into anything else you've written above.

 

[Childlike Empress]

That is a good example of what I mentioned earlier and a good example of how a truther sees it. The truther will completely ignore the 30 comic panels previous to this one where "Gravy" points out why Alex Jones is a considered a Kook and that the answers to the question in your first panel were already answered. This is a person in the "Either bang your head on your desk or just point and laugh at them." stage.

It's irrelevant if Alex Jones is a kook or not - that's the point you missed - and the fact remains that the Bush admin tried to prevent ANY broader investigations from happening and many commission members had serious conflicts of interest, above all Zelikow.

Without the Jersey Girls, the commission investigation (if it had happened at all) would have been headed by Henry Kissinger, of all people, as you can see in the videos.

I'm quite sure you'd have nothing to complain about this, too. Such a nice elder statesman.

 

[Sabretooth]

You are kidding, right? There's nothing in the article that answers the question if this investigation led to any advises to flight schools. You really have to do better than that.

Did you not read my response?

The question asked if the memo reached the flight schools. All of us already know that it did not, and this CNN article that the FSC referenced confirms that fact. So asking the Commission to look into is a complete waste of time and resources.

In addition, the CNN article also says this about the Memo:

The computer-generated memo was at least three pages long. It cites several students by name and Embry-Riddle University, an aeronautical school with campuses in Prescott, Arizona, and Daytona Beach, Florida.

None of the names in the memo have been identified by the FBI as any of the September 11 hijackers.

Emphasis mine.

So, even if the Memo WAS made public, it would have done little good in stopping Atta & Friends.

I won't bother to look into anything else you've written above.

Fine by me...I won't lose any sleep over it. Just another truther plugging their ears and humming.

 

[TexasJack]

It's irrelevant if Alex Jones is a kook or not - that's the point you missed - and the fact remains that the Bush admin tried to prevent ANY broader investigations from happening and many commission members had serious conflicts of interest, above all Zelikow.

Without the Jersey Girls, the commission investigation (if it had happened at all) would have been headed by Henry Kissinger, of all people, as you can see in the videos.

I'm quite sure you'd have nothing to complain about this, too. Such a nice elder statesman.

Here are the members of the commission. Please explain their conflict of interest.

Thomas Kean (Chairman) - Republican, former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice Chairman) - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat, attorney, former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Max Cleland - Democrat, former U.S. Senator from Georgia. Resigned December 2003, stating that "the White House has played cover-up
Fred F. Fielding - Republican, attorney and former White House Counsel
Jamie Gorelick - Democrat, former Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton - Republican, former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey - Democrat, President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska. Replaced Max Cleland as a Democratic Commissioner, after Cleland's resignation.
John F. Lehman - Republican, former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat, former U.S. Representative from the 3rd District of Indiana
James R. Thompson - Republican, former Governor of Illinois

 

[Childlike Empress]

Here's the question again:

Given the testimony in the trial in May, 2001 [below] were flight schools advised to be vigilant for Middle Eastern men training to be pilots and advised to report anything unusual? If not, please explain.

You REALLY underestimate the intelligence of the readers here, sabretooth.

Seriously Scott, with this thread you got off my "suspected shills" list.

Didn't take too long to find a replacement.

TexasJack, IIRC the wikipedia article on the commission has a good section about that, also the Zelikow article. Or use the search function here.

 

[TexasJack]

TexasJack, IIRC the wikipedia article on the commission has a good section about that, also the Zelikow article. Or use the search function here.

I've seen the truther versions, none of them explain what conflicts of interest these 10 men had. They are there, so can you specifically state individually what the actual conflicts are? If you think Richard Ben-Veniste is some kind of Bush loyalist, I'm going to break out the laughing dogs.

 

[DGM]

Let me get this straight. We're having a conversation about the questions that a group that disbanded 5 years ago originally asked. Wouldn't it seem to reason the questions were answered OR they were "bought out". If it's the later, are they are they not "in on it" also?

 

[Sabretooth]

Will someone other than CE read my post #44 and let me know if my approach to answering the FSC question is flawed?

 

[DGM]

Will someone other than CE read my post #44 and let me know if my approach to answering the FSC question is flawed?

Seems logical to me.

My question is. Considering they disbanded 5 years ago wouldn't that mean the questions were answered to their satisfaction (at least to the majority).

 

[Childlike Empress]

I've seen the truther versions, none of them explain what conflicts of interest these 10 men had. They are there, so can you specifically state individually what the actual conflicts are? If you think Richard Ben-Veniste is some kind of Bush loyalist, I'm going to break out the laughing dogs.

Why not focus on Zelikow? Show me what you find and i may expand, although this is slightly off-topic.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Seems logical to me.

Then please quote the part of the article that answers the question.

 

[carlitos]

Let me get this straight. We're having a conversation about the questions that a group that disbanded 5 years ago originally asked. Wouldn't it seem to reason the questions were answered OR they were "bought out". If it's the later, are they are they not "in on it" also?

See my post 28 above. It's not about new investigations, or "truth," or anything of the sort. It's a displacement activity, whereby some would-be political mavericks can safely rail against "the man," without fear of reprisal.

 

[TexasJack]

Why not focus on Zelikow? Show me what you find and i may expand.

Zelikow was a member of the commission staff, he was not one of the 10 commission members. He also recused himself in some matters. I don't think he should have been there at all either, but one person, even with a conflict of interest, isn't going to override the ten that had the biggest impact. So do any of the ten have a conflict of interest or not?

 

[BigAl]

It's irrelevant if Alex Jones is a kook or not - that's the point you missed - and the fact remains that the Bush admin tried to prevent ANY broader investigations from happening and many commission members had serious conflicts of interest, above all Zelikow.

Tried and failed to block the creation of the commission for the basic conclusions.

You seem to be ignoring the Phase II commission which is what this thread is about.

Without the Jersey Girls, the commission investigation (if it had happened at all) would have been headed by Henry Kissinger, of all people, as you can see in the videos.

But that didn't happen, did it?

I'm quite sure you'd have nothing to complain about this, too. Such a nice elder statesman.

I have plenty to complain about but it doesn't involve man-made demolition, no-planes and space beams.

 

[beachnut]

A truth so nice they told it twice!


The political stuff is just innuendo at that site. On September 9, we (and Russia) already had plans to combat Afghanistan, which was being governed by an evil, woman hating, 11th Century cult who vowed to kill us. This is called good governance, if anything.

Quote mining - Bush says "This is a great opportunity." From a conversation 12 hours after the attacks, and referring to our relations with China and Russia.

Presented without comment:


Really, if Jon Gold or anyone would present a hypothesis that better explains events vs. the common narrative, I'd be happy to listen. So far, they seem to want to throw a bunch of "facts" at the wall, and see what sticks. "That's why we need a new investigation" is not an excuse for not presenting an affirmative hypothesis.

ETA - that quote above is unintentionally hilarious, I'll give CE that.

Failure for 8 years; Jon and 911 truth. No evidence, just talk. Is he that stupid?

The questions from the OP. Kind of stupid. UBL plotted the murders, why not ask him! Why not go get him if you are upset. However, I understand why people who lost their families and friends might be upset.

I think the questions are good if everyone takes responsibility. We elected the bums, or tried to elect other bums, it is our fault we are naive, complacent, and not being prepared for the unknown.

If killing pilots and crashing planes into buildings was so easy to figure out, why did we all fail to take action before the event; the only question I think is valid. Do these people think politicians have a clue?

I find it sad 911 truth takes advantage of the families to push their delusions. Like Jon they are not firing on all eight.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Zelikow was a member of the commission staff, he was not one of the 10 commission members. He also recused himself in some matters. I don't think he should have been there at all either, but one person, even with a conflict of interest, isn't going to override the ten that had the biggest impact. So do any of the ten have a conflict of interest or not?

Zelikow had BY FAR the biggest impact. If you want to discuss this, please start a thread about it. I'll participate.

BigAl, so what? It didn't happen because of the Jersey Girls. We agree. We know - it could have been worse. Why do you invoke space beams?

 

[TexasJack]

Zelikow had BY FAR the biggest impact. If you want to discuss this, please start a thread about it. I'll participate.

Of course you can't back up that claim, because it's not true.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Of course I can, and to say it's not true shows that you don't pay attention. Again, start a thread about it if you can't figure it out yourself. But be patient, today i am already busy here and elsewhere.

 

[DGM]

Then please quote the part of the article that answers the question.

Ask the members of the "steering committee". They seem to be satisfied.

The OP is using their name although they no longer have the questions he claims they have. Do you agree? If not, explain why they disbanded (be careful not to accuse them of being "in on it").