Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission

[carlitos]

Who (had motive, means, opportunity), how, why, where, what is the very essence of a criminal investigation. It's like, 9 years after the fact, you want to act as if nothing is known, and start over. Logically speaking, this isn't really very different from those who need to try and understand every aspect of building collapse themselves, rather than relying on the collective expertise of the engineering community.

The fact that Jon Gold can't understand what happened doesn't really mean anything.

Have any of the politically-focused proponents of a new investigation read The Looming Tower? Or Ghost Wars or the bin Ladens by Cole?

 

[Childlike Empress]

ETA - that quote above is unintentionally hilarious, I'll give CE that.

Nominated!

 

[Childlike Empress]

Who (had motive, means, opportunity), how, why, where, what is the very essence of a criminal investigation.

Exactly that's what Gold's facts are dealing with.

And in a criminal investigation, if it turns out that the suspect couldn't have done it, the defense doesn't have to come up with an "alternative narrative" to let him go.

edit: For those who don't know: Jon Gold is a close associate of the Jersey Girls from the beginning, so what he writes is very much on topic.

 

[Disbelief]

Exactly that's what Gold's facts are dealing with.

And in a criminal investigation, if it turns out that the suspect couldn't have done it, the defense doesn't have to come up with an "alternative narrative" to let him go.

edit: For those who don't know: Jon Gold is a close associate of the Jersey Girls from the beginning, so what he writes is very much on topic.

Well, many of his "facts" have already been debunked and others have little to no relationship to the attacks. Also, you fail to understand that real investigations were done and you just do not like the results.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I had never heard of a 911 conspiracy until last year. Coming at it from this perspective, the first question that hits me is, why don't these Truthers get it? No one is interested in this. And when you say this, they pull some poll from 2004 that says 99.9% of Americans think that Bush exploded the WTC with thermite. So you ask why no one shows up at their demonstrations or why they get laughed at when they talk about this in public. And tell you that America is waking up. So you ask them why not one of the candidates - including Ron Paul - mentioned a new 911 investigation in the 2008 election. And they give you some blah blah website that claims 99.9% of Americans believe that Bush exploded the WTC with thermite.

I honestly doubt there are more than a handful of Truthers who really care what real issues emerged from 911. It was them who made it embarrassing for public figures to talk the real issues of 911. Presidential candidates can't even bring these issues up because they might get labeled as 911 conspiracy nutters. Not even Ron Paul wants anything to do with Steven Jones.

It's Truthers who made it embarrassing to be concerned about the way 911 was handled. It's their friendships with the Nazis. It's their space guns and dustified buildings. It's their vicsims, and it's their super duper nano thermite. It's the way they run around yelling like these are things you should care about.

 

[twinstead]

Some people have no idea why intelligent people have a problem being called sheeple and having irrational, cockamamie theories rammed down their throats.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I had never heard of a 911 conspiracy until last year. Coming at it from this perspective, the first question that hits me is, why don't these Truthers get it? No one is interested in this. And when you say this, they pull some poll from 2004 that says 99.9% of Americans think that Bush exploded the WTC with thermite. So you ask why no one shows up at their demonstrations or why they get laughed at when they talk about this in public. And tell you that America is waking up. So you ask them why not one of the candidates - including Ron Paul - mentioned a new 911 investigation in the 2008 election. And they give you some blah blah website that claims 99.9% of Americans believe that Bush exploded the WTC with thermite.

I honestly doubt there are more than a handful of Truthers who really care what real issues emerged from 911. It was them who made it embarrassing for public figures to talk the real issues of 911. Presidential candidates can't even bring these issues up because they might get labeled as 911 conspiracy nutters. Not even Ron Paul wants anything to do with Steven Jones.

It's Truthers who made it embarrassing to be concerned about the way 911 was handled. It's their friendships with the Nazis. It's their space guns and dustified buildings. It's their vicsims, and it's their super duper nano thermite. It's the way they run around yelling like these are things you should care about.

Scott, about three years ago i made a comic strip about this. The characters were supposed to be me and Gravy:

The easy way out

 

[carlitos]

I'm almost tempted to post my Monbiot quotes about the impotence of the "truth" movement being the actual goal of the movement. They need the all-powerful government to keep them powerless, so they can avoid the hard work of effecting real political change.

Why. Don't. You. Investigate. Whatever. You. Want???

Or are you asking the US government for permission to investigate the US government? If so, that's a giant circle jerk.

Seriously, please quit whining about it. You don't even have to be the new Woodward and Bernstein, you already had the actual Bob Woodward on the inside, listening in as decisions were made. He wrote 2 books about it already. He had access to the highest levels of government. What's stopping Jon Gold?

 

[Childlike Empress]

To make this thread more complete, from 2008:

In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground hit. It exposed the story of the "Jersey Girls" and their allies -- the 9/11 families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing 70% of their questions answered. IN THEIR OWN WORDS: THE UNTOLD STORIES OF THE 9/11 FAMILIES is the new, official companion DVD to 9/11 Press For Truth. Over 2 hours of unseen families' interviews and rare news clips originally intended for inclusion in the movie ended up on the cutting room floor -- until now

Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

 

[Disbelief]

To make this thread more complete, from 2008:

In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground hit. It exposed the story of the "Jersey Girls" and their allies -- the 9/11 families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing 70% of their questions answered. IN THEIR OWN WORDS: THE UNTOLD STORIES OF THE 9/11 FAMILIES is the new, official companion DVD to 9/11 Press For Truth. Over 2 hours of unseen families' interviews and rare news clips originally intended for inclusion in the movie ended up on the cutting room floor -- until now

Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Bolding mine. So, have they removed the 30% from their website so we know which ones have been answered? Also, some of the questions are really rather dumb and don't warrant a response.

 

[Childlike Empress]

There's a pdf where all questions are listed and the answered ones are striked out. I'm sure i have it somewhere in case it isn't still on their website.

edit: Here you go. (500kb)

 

[Sabretooth]

There's a pdf where all questions are listed and the answered ones are striked out. I'm sure i have it somewhere in case it isn't still on their website.

edit: Here you go. (500kb)

There are an awful lot of questions in this pdf form that are absolutely irrelevant to the events of 9/11 or the Commission.

Specifically:

Questions to Part I: 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 34.

Questions to Dick Cheney numbers: 1, 2, 3, 10, 11.

Questions to Condy Rice numbers: several...but the numbering system is stupid and I don't feel like deciphering it.

I just scanned the rest of this nonsense, but found question #6 in “Part 2: Intelligence” of particular interest. There are two parts. The first part is the question and the second part is a comment with a quote and a source.

Given the testimony in the trial in May, 2001 [below] were flight schools advised to be vigilant for Middle Eastern men training to be pilots and advised to report anything unusual? If not, please explain.

“MAY 29, 2001 Four men are convicted in the bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Witnesses testified at the trial that Osama bin Laden was sending al Qaeda agents to the US for flight-school training and acquiring planes.”
www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/21phoenix.memo/

The problem here is the source. It does not make any mention of the four men convicted of bombing embassies. But, what is more important, is that this article actually answers the question. There is a clear explanation as to what the flight schools were advised of, as well as the general locations.

The rest of these questions are useless. Even if they answered, it doesn’t alter the course of history. We already know the government dropped the ball, why do you need more evidence of that? Talk about beating a dead horse.

 

[Sabretooth]

Smoly Hokes...

This pdf is getting even more ridiculous.

Why weren’t the flight schools shut down, or the terrorists deported, if the “FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools” for years, as reported in the Washington Post, September 23, 2001.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/fbi_knew_terrorists_using_flight_schools.html

Hilite mine.

How the hell can you push a question claiming Washington Post when the article is from Propaganda Matrix with fake WP headers?!

This pdf isn’t worth the simulated paper it’s printed on.

 

[Childlike Empress]

The CNN site says "page not found". Where did you read it?

 

[DGM]

Didn't the "family steering committee" disband shortly after the commission report came out?

 

[Sabretooth]

The CNN site says "page not found". Where did you read it?

I had to type it by hand initially, but the link auto-directed to this:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/21/phoenix.memo/

 

[DGM]

I had to type it by hand initially, but the link auto-directed to this:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/21/phoenix.memo/

If we had reacted to that memo on 9/10 everyone would be up in arms about "profiling" and we all know it. Hindsight is always 20-20.

 

[Childlike Empress]

ah, thanks. For some reason it didn't redirect me. Now please quote the part that in your opinion answers the question. I can't find it.

Given the testimony in the trial in May, 2001 [below] were flight schools advised to be vigilant for Middle Eastern men training to be pilots and advised to report anything unusual? If not, please explain.

... this article actually answers the question. There is a clear explanation as to what the flight schools were advised of ...

 

[Sabretooth]

ah, thanks. For some reason it didn't redirect me. Now please quote the part that in your opinion answers the question. I can't find it.

Given the testimony in the trial in May, 2001 [below] were flight schools advised to be vigilant for Middle Eastern men training to be pilots and advised to report anything unusual? If not, please explain.

The article explains that the memo did not follow the proper chain to get to the right people. Thus answering the portion of the question "If not, please explain".

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Scott, about three years ago i made a comic strip about this. The characters were supposed to be me and Gravy:

The easy way out

That is a good example of what I mentioned earlier and a good example of how a truther sees it. The truther will completely ignore the 30 comic panels previous to this one where "Gravy" points out why Alex Jones is a considered a Kook and that the answers to the question in your first panel were already answered. This is a person in the "Either bang your head on your desk or just point and laugh at them." stage.