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Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

Tony Szamboti said:
There is a problem with your logic.

You don't need FFA in a CD, but you do need CD to have FFA, because it can't happen naturally. Nobody here has been able to show in any feasible way how it could.
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Fire.

Maybe you can help us Tony. Why don't YOU show us a CD where FFA occurs to back up your claim. Mirage and Chris have both failed to show any CD that has a period of FFA.

Show 'em how it's done Tony. We'll wait........
 
Christopher7 said:
Dave,

Will you acknowledge that your reason for FFA is incorrect please?

"There were 2 seconds of free fall at world Trade Center 7 but that's because the collapse took 16 long seconds and by the time those 2 seconds happened the part of the building underneath had collapsed already."
That is incorrect.
If the structure under the upper portion of the north face had "collapsed already", then the upper portion would have "collapsed already" too. It could not hang there waiting for 7 to 8 floors of structure to fall out of the way so it could fall at FFA.
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How long is a long second?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
There is a problem with your logic.

You don't need FFA in a CD, but you do need CD to have FFA, because it can't happen naturally. Nobody here has been able to show in any feasible way how it could.
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So, do you hold to C7's theory that the supporting structure on 7 to 8 floors had to disappear simultaneously?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
We know that this is not due to a blast event, because an explosive shockwave powerful enough to rend structural steel would have taken out every window on that floor, possibly others above and below
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No, you don't know that. You are not an expert and you don't know what is possible. You are ignoring thermite. That is a possibility. I don't have to prove how it was used so don't ask. The point is, your assumption is just that, an assumption based on a lack of knowledge [and a denial that thermite is a possibility]. Give it up.

WTC 7 fell at FFA and you have no alternate explanation for the simultaneous removal of 7 to 8 floors of supporting structure.

The "It can't be because" is a BS denial tactic.
 
Tony said:
There is a problem with your logic.

You don't need FFA in a CD, but you do need CD to have FFA, because it can't happen naturally. Nobody here has been able to show in any feasible way how it could.
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triforcharity said:
Fire.

Maybe you can help us Tony. Why don't YOU show us a CD where FFA occurs to back up your claim. Mirage and Chris have both failed to show any CD that has a period of FFA.
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:confused: Your reading comprehension is zero. :rolleyes:
 
Dave,
The lower part of the north wall did NOT collapse prior to the FFA.

Will you acknowledge that your statement is incorrect?
"There were 2 seconds of free fall at world Trade Center 7 but that's because the collapse took 16 long seconds and by the time those 2 seconds happened the part of the building underneath had collapsed already."
 
Gamolon said:
No, the whole collapse was not free fall. Why do you keep saying this?
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My bad, I forgot to include ~100 feet that time. WTC 7 fell at FFA for ~100 feet.

You mean failed structural components could not equal "removed structural components"?
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I mean the moment frames held the exterior walls together and prevented FFA in the computer model.

ETA: Dr. Sunder admitted this when he said "there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case."
 
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Christopher7 said:
No, you don't know that. You are not an expert and you don't know what is possible. You are ignoring thermite. That is a possibility. I don't have to prove how it was used so don't ask. The point is, your assumption is just that, an assumption based on a lack of knowledge [and a denial that thermite is a possibility]. Give it up.

WTC 7 fell at FFA and you have no alternate explanation for the simultaneous removal of 7 to 8 floors of supporting structure.

The "It can't be because" is a BS denial tactic.
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Show us thermite of any flavor cutting a column of steel. We'll wait....
 
Christopher7 said:
WTC 7 fell at FFA and you have no alternate explanation for the simultaneous removal of 7 to 8 floors of supporting structure.
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How could thermite be used to remove multiple columns on multiple floors simultaneously? How could explosives be used to remove multiple columns on multiple floors simultaneously?
 
Christopher7 said:
I mean the moment frames held the exterior walls together and prevented FFA in the computer model.

ETA: Dr. Sunder admitted this when he said "there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case."
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But he was referring to the collapse time as a whole Christopher7. The total collapse time was GREATER then what could have been achieved if the tower collapsed at FFA for the WHOLE collapse.

Why do you keep using his statement to provide support for your 2.5 seconds of free fall when he was clearly speaking about the entire collapse time?

I'll ask this again.

Can a failed column or support component provide the same results as a column or support component that was cut or removed? Meaning can either of these scenarios cause the supported load above to free fall?
 
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