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Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

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The whole hypothesis is supposition. They tried to get the evidence to fit their predetermined conclusion and they failed. Their computer model does not fall at FFA and it is folding up. They did not let it run and show the whole collapse because the folding up gets more severe.

Note that there is no horizontal collapse in the computer model. This is not even close to what they said happened.
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There are a number of misrepresentations in C7's statements above, plus a great deal of bare assertion, the standard 'I am God' viewpoint of persistent truthers who believe they have magic powers to perceive what others think, apparently.

Here is the most important sin of omission of C7 - From NCSTAR 1-9 Volume 2, pp 599 - 600
'12.5.2 Aspects Following the Collapse Initiation

Once simulation of the global collapse of WTC 7 was underway, there was a great increase in the uncertainty in the progression of the collapse sequence, due to the random nature of the interaction, break up, disintegration, and falling of the debris. the uncertainties deriving from these random processes increasingly influenced the deterministic physics-based collapse process, and the details of the progression of the horizontal failure and final global collapse were increasingly less precise.

So while C7 completely ignores most of the NIST data, focusing on a tiny aspect which he then misrepresents, in fact NIST explain very carefully why the model does not look like the actual.

And yet, in another display of cognitive dissonance, C7 claims simultaneously that the NIST fit their models artificially to match, and that their models don't match.

So which is it? It can't be both...LOL

Of course the answer is that C7 is presenting yet another strawman argument, so there is no correct answer to it at all.
 
What I found hilarious was when Shyam Subder said that the computer visualisation of the collapse of WTC7 shown in the above pictures provided a 'reasonable match' for the observed events themselves.lol

Remember that the computer visualisation was telling us what we should have seen with the naked eye.

Source?
 
I should point out that C7 is also completely incorrect in claiming that there is 'no horizontal collapse' in the model.

That's just wrong and false. The report carefully explains the horizontal progression derived from the model.

If there were a special truther award for the most erroneous statements per thread, C7 would surely be a winner. It is heartening to know that such glaring incompetence and dishonesty is the standard of 9/11 Truth - a movement doomed to fail miserably, and deservedly so.:)
 
What I found hilarious was when Shyam Sunder said that the computer visualisation of the collapse of WTC7 shown in the above pictures provided a 'reasonable match' for the observed event itself. lol

Remember that the computer visualisation was telling us what we should have seen with the naked eye.

What specifically is wrong with this animation of the simulation, Bill?

Just imagine someone kicking the stool out from under you. You'll be in free-fall, at least for a moment. That's what happened to WTC7.


Video: Why the Building (WTC7) Fell (3:40 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc​
 

Note the word 'exterior' in the caption under the pictures. And take into account that it is a computer 'visualisation'.....Unless you think it means some other kind of exterior and some other kind of visualisation?
 
What specifically is wrong with this animation of the simulation, Bill?

Just imagine someone kicking the stool out from under you. You'll be in free-fall, at least for a moment. That's what happened to WTC7.


Video: Why the Building (WTC7) Fell (3:40 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc​

Wow I noticed that the entire east wall was MISSING and the Penthouses looked exaggeratedly large...lol
 
Wow I noticed that the entire east wall was MISSING and the Penthouses looked exaggeratedly large...lol
Bill:
Don't forget you do have a tendency to see things that aren't there.

I get a kick out of every time you post your "fire truck driving through a river of steel".

:D
 
Just a thought

What specifically is wrong with this animation of the simulation, Bill?

Just imagine someone kicking the stool out from under you. You'll be in free-fall, at least for a moment. That's what happened to WTC7.


Video: Why the Building (WTC7) Fell (3:40 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc​

Maybe it would help if they imagined Dick Cheney kicking the stool out from under Michael Moore.
 
What specifically is wrong with this animation of the simulation, Bill?

Just imagine someone kicking the stool out from under you. You'll be in free-fall, at least for a moment. That's what happened to WTC7.


Video: Why the Building (WTC7) Fell (3:40 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc​

You mean when she said 'and then the building's shell fell' ? Did she mean that the 40,000 tons of structural steel had evenly collapsed and it took the shell a little time to realise that there was nothing holding it up ?
 
Bill:
Don't forget you do have a tendency to see things that aren't there.

I get a kick out of every time you post your "fire truck driving through a river of steel".

:D

I will give you a thrill again at the appropriate juncture DGM.lol
 
So Chris, have you figured out how your imagined perpetrators were able to simultaneously sever multiple columns in multiple locations with thermite or explosives? You do realize that it would be impossible to do this simultaneously, right?
 
You mean when she said 'and then the building's shell fell' ? Did she mean that the 40,000 tons of structural steel had evenly collapsed and it took the shell a little time to realise that there was nothing holding it up ?

What do you find wrong with the animation, Bill.
 
What do you find wrong with the animation, Bill.
If you are talking about the short animation of the collapse of WTC7 The Penthouse looks too large and the roofline appears to bow more than in the authentic video.

I will look closer if we are talking about the same piece of video. Give me a from-to format.
 

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