Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

[triforcharity]

If what Tony says abput the Penthouse collapses having nothing to do with the further collapse of the building is true, then The Penthouses must have been deliberately dropped into the building first in order to hide whatever was inside them.

Yes, the NWO didn't want ANYONE to know that 7WTC had air conditioning! Great logic Bill!

 

[Christopher7]

There were ~120 exterior columns and 38 interior columns remaining. A collapse would not be instantaneous. The columns would buckle or bend for part of that distance.

Posing negligible resistance, as I already told you. Why are you dismissing this?

Quoting NIST, again (sigh):

In Stage 2, the north face descended at gravitational acceleration, as the buckled columns provided negligible support to the upper portion of the north face. This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories or 32.0 m (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s.​

You and NIST are playing with semantics.
Negligible: Too small to be considered
In both cases the resistance was instantaneously zero, not minimal as falsely indicated by using the word negligible.

In both cases, instantaneous FFA cannot occur if there is any structural resistance at all. FFA can only occur when all the supporting structure is removed simultaneously.

This is what Dr, Sunder said before he got busted by Mr. Chandler:
"a free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"

Dave knows this so he did not respond to my post.

 

[alienentity]

This is what Dr, Sunder said
"a free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"

And we know the structure was already falling out of the way prior to the final collapse of the curtain walls and exterior columns.

That's the way it appears to have happened. What didn't happen was explosive controlled demolition. At least to anyone with a functioning brainstem and a pair of eyes (paraphrasing Niels Harrit).

 

[bardamu]

There are a lot of things that Tony has said that are simple & simply wrong.

The statement above is a perfect encapsulation of the level of self-delusion required to maintain & defend engineering lunacy.

Every single competent structural engineer, mechanical engineer or fire fighter in the world, shown the above statement, would simply shake their heads & chuckle.

Since a trivial observation of events shows the building standing for 20+ years, standing after being hit by an enormous amount of falling debris, standing for about 7 hours after catching fire, and for both collapses to occur within 6 seconds of each other ...

... the same is true about every thinking person over the age of 15. That is, the subset of people who do not believe in absurd levels of coincidence.

If a guy gets shot in the arm and remains standing, without so much as a wobble, then six seconds later gets shot through the head and goes down like a ton of bricks, the two shots are probably not a coincidence, but it's stretching it a bit to say the first shot is part of the mechanism that brings him down.

 

[TruthersLie]

If a guy gets shot in the arm and remains standing, without so much as a wobble, then six seconds later gets shot through the head and goes down like a ton of bricks, the two shots are probably not a coincidence, but it's stretching it a bit to say the first shot is part of the mechanism that brings him down.

Then show us the SECOND SHOT... because there isn't one.

Unless you mean that super duper sniper on the hill firing a silenced, suppressed low velocity round which strikes the same spot and has a magic bullet that disappears...

If a man get shot in the arm, and remains standing but has blood dripping down his arm, and then collapses because the bullet severed an artery and he bled out internally, does that mean it was a jewspiracy to murder the man?

We have already gone over this p...

 

[Christopher7]

And we know the structure was already falling out of the way prior to the final collapse of the curtain walls and exterior columns.

This is so absurd I'm surprised you and Dave actually said it. You are saying that the lower floors of the north face "fell away". How could they just "fall away"? do you know what a moment frame is?

How can the lower floors of the north wall have fallen away before the north face falls at FFA? The upper part would fall as the lower floors fell away if that happened. NIST does not say this happened so why do you and Dave say that? It is perfectly clear in the computer model that the lower floors of the north face are buckling. Most of the interior columns fall 1 to 2 seconds before the north wall but the lower part of the north wall has NOT "fallen out of the way".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6276926&postcount=814

 

[jhunter1163]

Do any of our intrepid Truthers want to address SoT's post #839?

 

[GlennB]

How can the lower floors of the north wall have fallen away before the north face falls at FFA?

Easy. The core structure collapsed before the outer walls fell, taking lower sections of wall with it at some point.

That the core fell first is evidenced by the collapse of both penthouses.

The EP fell several seconds before the walls gave, while the WP overtook the roof line in the first moments of what is (misleadingly) described as 'global collapse'.

 

[Disbelief]

You and NIST are playing with semantics.
Negligible: Too small to be considered
In both cases the resistance was instantaneously zero, not minimal as falsely indicated by using the word negligible.

In both cases, instantaneous FFA cannot occur if there is any structural resistance at all. FFA can only occur when all the supporting structure is removed simultaneously.

This is what Dr, Sunder said before he got busted by Mr. Chandler:
"a free fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"

Dave knows this so he did not respond to my post.

How can explosives or thermite be used to remove all the columns from multiple floors simultaneously? Do you really think that thermite can be timed that accurately, even though it has never been used in a CD? Do you really think that many explosives can be timed to do so simultaneously? Why do you keep avoiding this question?

 

[dafydd]

How can explosives or thermite be used to remove all the columns from multiple floors simultaneously? Do you really think that thermite can be timed that accurately, even though it has never been used in a CD? Do you really think that many explosives can be timed to do so simultaneously? Why do you keep avoiding this question?

Because he has no answer.

 

[bill smith]

Most men who get shot and collapse as a result stretch their length on the ground. Few of them will find their skeleton dissolving causing them to collapse into and around their own boots.

 

[Scott Jurgenson]

Do any of our intrepid Truthers want to address SoT's post #839?

Originally Posted by Disbelief
How can explosives or thermite be used to remove all the columns from multiple floors simultaneously? Do you really think that thermite can be timed that accurately, even though it has never been used in a CD? Do you really think that many explosives can be timed to do so simultaneously? Why do you keep avoiding this question?

*Chirping*

 

[Dog Town]

Most men who get shot and collapse as a result stretch their length on the ground. Few of them will find their skeleton dissolving causing them to collapse into and around their own boots.

Thank you, Gabby Johnson!

 

[CurtC]

Was that authentic frontier gibberish?

 

[DGM]

Thank you, Gabby Johnson!

Was that authentic frontier gibberish?

Oh sure, now I have to rent "Blazing Saddles".

AGAIN!

 

[alienentity]

You are saying that the lower floors of the north face "fell away". How could they just "fall away"?

Not that I really need to respond to C7 directly - it's too much like conversing with a vacuum cleaner - but no, nobody is saying that the lower floors of the North face fell away.

Structure 'fell away' under the E Penthouse allowing it to fall right into the building, and breaking windows almost all the way down to the trusses (look at the pictures, why dontcha?)

By definition, this is 'structure removed'. There's nothing particularly difficult to understand here, unless you are determined not to understand.

Again, your fact-free mantra of 'FFA = CD' is akin to 'God loves us all'. They are both equally unproven, and will remain that way.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Don't mind C7, he's fixated on Thermite for some reason or another.

C7 claims that nano-thermite painted on the steel columns brought down the WTCs'. ERMTC already covered that in an episode last year & found that the nano-thermite paint just fizzled like a sparkler & didn't explode.

He also claims that the particules on a red/grey paint chip is "evidence" of "unexploded thermite". Dude, if it's got a grey backing on it, it's more than likely that it's grey primer. Also the red covering the grey primer is just an anti-oxidizer to prevent rust from forming on the steel. The WTCs' were built near the Atlantic Ocean for Pete sakes, it contains corrosive salt that's an enemy to steel. And also that those particules they did find is nothing more than rust (iron oxide). It's the same stuff found in the red paint on the steel columns.

C7, if you really want to bring it on, don't! You're gonna lose each & every time you come here.

 

[bill smith]

Not that I really need to respond to C7 directly - it's too much like conversing with a vacuum cleaner - but no, nobody is saying that the lower floors of the North face fell away.

Structure 'fell away' under the E Penthouse allowing it to fall right into the building, and breaking windows almost all the way down to the trusses (look at the pictures, why dontcha?)

By definition, this is 'structure removed'. There's nothing particularly difficult to understand here, unless you are determined not to understand.

Again, your fact-free mantra of 'FFA = CD' is akin to 'God loves us all'. They are both equally unproven, and will remain that way.

But AE it is plainly obvious that the Penthouses were deliberately targetted. Why else would the very strongest column in the building give way first ? Column 79 is said to have weighed around 350 tons in total over the 47 floors. To assume that it would give way before dozens of lighter columns did makes no sense at all.

The only real answer is that they wanted the Penthouses and what was inside them to be hidden under the rubble of the Global collapse. That's probably why there is no aerial photography of the collapse of WTC7 despite the abundance of news helicopters and the fact that they were actually expecting the collapse.

 

[tsig]

But AE it is plainly obvious that the Penthouses were deliberately targetted. Why else would the very strongest column in the building give way first ? Column 79 is said to have weighed around 350 tons in total over the 47 floors. To assume that that would give way before dozens of lighter columns did makes no srnse.

The only real answer is that they wanted the Penthouses and what was inside them to be hidden under the rubble of the Global collapse. That's probably why there is no aerial photography of the collapse of WTC7 despite the abundance of news helicopters and the fact that they were actually expecting the collapse.

So you're saying they brought down the WTC7 in order to hide highly classified air conditioning equipment?

 

[Chorduroy]

So you're saying they brought down the WTC7 in order to hide highly classified air conditioning equipment?

Everyone knows the NWO's world headquarters was located in WTC7 and their super-secret documents housed in the east mechanical penthouse.