Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

[sheeplesnshills]

All the links Jammy6 has given are for Lasers. How do Laseers make the buildings 'dustify' and then 'fume' for months?

And what does "dustify" mean anyway? Its not a tech term that I'm aware of.

what particle size? Does the basic material remain unchanged or is it oxidised or chemically altered in any way.
Jammo needs to tell us what he means when he uses that word.

And if the towers were turned completely to dust what were those big piles of burning debris I saw with my own eyes?

 

[jammonius]

I hope we don't get too far afield from the evidence of DEW and of SAIC and ARA involvment in the manufacture, development and lethality testing of such devices. A lot of information has been posted in this thread, separate and apart from the derails and inappropriate put downs.

 

[Andy_Ross]

where?

 

[Oystein]

Here's a shocker for Jammy:

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA476320.pdf



Jammy should read the hillited part!

Cool! Also:

years of investment have not resulted in any operational systems with high energy laser capability

(page 5)

 

[carlitos]

That's what they want you to think.

 

[Oystein]

I hope we don't get too far afield from the evidence of DEW and of SAIC and ARA involvment in the manufacture, development and lethality testing of such devices. A lot of information has been posted in this thread, separate and apart from the derails and inappropriate put downs.

This is a lie.

Very little information has been posted. Mostly smoke screens. None pertaining to the events 9/11.

 

[Gaspode]

Some posts moved to AAH.

Keep it civil and on-topic please.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Gaspode

 

[sheeplesnshills]

I hope we don't get too far afield from the evidence of DEW and of SAIC and ARA involvment in the manufacture, development and lethality testing of such devices. A lot of information has been posted in this thread, separate and apart from the derails and inappropriate put downs.

How can we get too far afield from something that doesn't exist???? Isn't that a physical impossibility? (a bit like DEW dustifying things!)

No relevant information has been posted in this thread by you and you ignore what relevant info others post.

Do better!

 

[jammonius]

How can we get too far afield from something that doesn't exist???? Isn't that a physical impossibility? (a bit like DEW dustifying things!)

No relevant information has been posted in this thread by you and you ignore what relevant info others post.

Do better!

Thank you for your indirect compliment (imitation is, afterall, the sincerest form of flattery). However, your flattery on the one hand does not serve to detract from the evidence of DEW, of PSYOPs and of SAIC and ARA involvment in both, on the other.

Perhaps the thread is in "pause" mode in honor of, say, the 'dog days of August.' I don't know. I suspect, however, that sooner or later posters or lurkers will emerge who are willing to post up what they know about the following topics related to this thread:

DEW
PSYOPs
SAIC
ARA
DIRECTED ENERGY DIRECTORATE
DIRECTED ENERGY PROFESSIONAL SOCIETY
TRW
RAYTHEON
LOCKEED
ARINC
TOP SECRET AMERICA


Come on posters, lurkers and victims family members, the hints, clues and revelations contained in this thread are useful and are headed in the right direction. We need people to add detail to what has already been posted.

Now is the time for all true patriots to come to the aid of their country.

 

[BigAl]

Thank you for your indirect compliment (imitation is, afterall, the sincerest form of flattery). However, your flattery on the one hand does not serve to detract from the evidence of DEW, of PSYOPs and of SAIC and ARA involvment in both, on the other.

Perhaps the thread is in "pause" mode in honor of, say, the 'dog days of August.' I don't know. I suspect, however, that sooner or later posters or lurkers will emerge who are willing to post up what they know about the following topics related to this thread:

DEW
PSYOPs
SAIC
ARA
DIRECTED ENERGY DIRECTORATE
DIRECTED ENERGY PROFESSIONAL SOCIETY
TRW
RAYTHEON
LOCKEED
ARINC
TOP SECRET AMERICA

I know that the largest and latest directed energy systems can do little more than puncture a soda can.

I also know that this is enough to destroy some types of missiles.

 

[Oystein]

...I suspect, however, that sooner or later posters or lurkers will emerge who are willing to post up what they know about the following topics related to this thread:

DEW
PSYOPs
SAIC
ARA
DIRECTED ENERGY DIRECTORATE
DIRECTED ENERGY PROFESSIONAL SOCIETY
TRW
RAYTHEON
LOCKEED
ARINC
TOP SECRET AMERICA

...

Why should anyone post information about these in the 9/11 forum? [ETA]You have not shown that DEW were used on 9/11. You have not shown that any of the companies have DEW with the capabilities and capacities necessary to bring about destruction even remotely close to the order of magnitude seen on 9/11. [/ETA]

Why not information about

Caterpillar
Liebherr
Krauss-Maffei
Nutella
Joule
Watt


You see, people HAVE in fact posted useful information in this thread about DEW in the MIC.

Chewy-Defense posted this link:
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA476320.pdf

We confronted you with some statements from that paper:

Applications with potential to provide superior capabilites include long-range strategic missions such as space control and force protection, and tactial missions such as ground based defense against rockets, artillery, and mortors and defense against man portable air defense systems. For some applications, directed energy has the potential to complete favorably with kentic solutions: for others, no kinetic approach currently exists

or

years of investment have not resulted in any operational systems with high energy laser capability

The paper details the state of DEW research as of 2007, lists various laser and microwave technologies and their potential uses, and is quite specific about the energy levels attainable as of 2007.

It is very outspoken about the fact that due to budget restrictions, the industrial base for DEW is spread thinly.


The strongest DEW for which at least prototypes for testing exist, are COIL lasers. Airborne ones, even. I explained to you earlier that these systems can project at most an amount of energy on an order of magnitude that is equivalent to this:

You need to explain why you think that any DEW in actual existence even 6 years earlier would meet the energy and power requirements necessary to destroy a building.

Any sane person who reviews ALL of the information posted in this thread will realise immediately that this plain impossible.



You have claimed earlier that SAIC and ARA have the DEW capabilities and capacities to bring about the destructions of 9/11.

Sane readers of this thread realize immedately that you have not posted up even one piece of information that would remotely hint at the slimmest possibility that this is so.
Let me say this clearly, jammonius: For all anybody knows, you (or the people you gave you these ideas) have pulled the claim out of thin air. It is invented. It is not based on any fact whatsoever. It is pure, unadulterated fantasy. It is science fiction.


Please, jammonius, give your beloved posters and lurkers a motivation to seek the information that you clearly do not have, by explaining why you are thinking and talking about DEW in the first place.

 

[carlitos]

The 20 oz. size gives you:
- 265 calories
- 1109.237 joules

Probably not enough to do serious damage to a building.

 

[Oystein]

[qimg]http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp309/zx49/mountain-dew-drink-bottle.jpg[/qimg]

The 20 oz. size gives you:
- 265 calories
- 1109.237 joules

Probably not enough to do serious damage to a building.

Urrr - no


1 calory is the energy that's needed to heet up 1 gram of water by 1°C.

20 fl.oz. = 560ml or 560g (about)
If you store Moutain Dew at 6°C in your fridge, and drink it, you will heat every gram of it by 30°C to your body temp of 36°C.
Your body thus will expend 560*30cal. = 16,800 cal

That is 63 times the energy you say is given by the drink.

So I propose that people drin cold Mountain Dew to burn off calories.




What's wrong there?


Well, people colloquially say "calories" when they mean "kilo-calories"
And likewise, it's kilo-joules

 

[DGM]

Time to fess-up guys. Jammonius, this is a view of the "dark-side" of the moon (you don't think it's called that for nothing).

 

[Andy_Ross]

I'll meet you there.

There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

[

QUOTE=jammonius;6275032]Thank you for your indirect compliment (imitation is, afterall, the sincerest form of flattery)."

Do I need to post a definition of "sarcasm" now as well?

However, your flattery on the one hand does not serve to detract from the evidence of DEW, of PSYOPs and of SAIC and ARA involvment in both, on the other.

There has been none so how could I detract from it?

Perhaps the thread is in "pause" mode in honor of, say, the 'dog days of August.' I don't know. I suspect, however, that sooner or later posters or lurkers will emerge who are willing to post up what they know about the following topics related to this thread:

DEW
PSYOPs
SAIC
ARA
DIRECTED ENERGY DIRECTORATE
DIRECTED ENERGY PROFESSIONAL SOCIETY
TRW
RAYTHEON
LOCKEED
ARINC
TOP SECRET AMERICA

Waiting......waiting.......... Chirp..... Chirp

Come on posters, lurkers and victims family members, the hints, clues and revelations contained in this thread are useful and are headed in the right direction. We need people to add detail to what has already been posted.

You have posted nothing that was not common knowledge, yes folks are working on directed energy weapons, mostly as anti missile systems and that getting even the relatively tiny powers required to do that is very very difficult. The energy required to to bore a pencil sized hole through a single column of the WTC is way more than anyone has achieved to date.

Now is the time for all true patriots to come to the aid of their country.

[/QUOTE]

What country?

 

[carlitos]

oops

Urrr - no


1 calory is the energy that's needed to heet up 1 gram of water by 1°C.

20 fl.oz. = 560ml or 560g (about)
If you store Moutain Dew at 6°C in your fridge, and drink it, you will heat every gram of it by 30°C to your body temp of 36°C.
Your body thus will expend 560*30cal. = 16,800 cal

That is 63 times the energy you say is given by the drink.

So I propose that people drin cold Mountain Dew to burn off calories.




What's wrong there?


Well, people colloquially say "calories" when they mean "kilo-calories"
And likewise, it's kilo-joules

Thanks for that. My government protects me from the correct information by mandating that labels say "calories" rather than kCal. I forgot about this, from when I used to live in Europe and kCal was listed. My mistake.

Anyway, how many bottles of Mountain Dew would dustify a skyscraper?

 

[Oystein]

Thanks for that. My government protects me from the correct information by mandating that labels say "calories" rather than kCal. I forgot about this, from when I used to live in Europe and kCal was listed. My mistake.

Anyway, how many bottles of Mountain Dew would dustify a skyscraper?

Do they really? In Europe, too, everybody says "calories", although theh k's on the lables. That is one of my favourite scientific jokes, by the way. The "Ice-Cream and Cold Beer Diet"

ETA: I was surprised when I did the math that on the order of only 100.000 jars of Nutella would be enough to at least equal the potential energy of a tower. Which kinda makes sense: Imagine 100,000 workers. Each of them is fed one jar of Nutella. That is enough fat and sugar do do some hours of moderate work. Now imagine some of the 100,000 banging hammers with perfect efficiency at the concrete and gypsum for a while, while others get busy bending and breaking steel (non-power tools allowed).

 

[jammonius]

I know that the largest and latest directed energy systems can do little more than puncture a soda can.

I also know that this is enough to destroy some types of missiles.

We need to add Boeing to our list of MIC entities who are actively engaged in DEW and who have been for quite some time:

"Boeing has made a major investment in the directed-energy marketplace, with its lead role in airborne laser, space-based laser and its development work in the laser and beam control technologies," says Mike Skolnick, vice president and general manager of the Boeing’s Laser &Electro Optical Systems unit. "SVS would bring critical and specialized capabilities to the company, not only in directed energy, but also in a wide range of electro-optical controls and image processing applications for both the defense and commercial markets."

Dated: Tuesday, August 1, 2000

Source:

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/military/Industry-Scan_12785.html

Does anyone, anyone at all, detect a matter-of-fact, fait accompli tone about the then current status of the deployment of DEW back on 8/1/2000?

BigAl, you grossly understate the nature of that weaponry.

 

[Oystein]

We need to add Boeing to our list of MIC entities who are actively engaged in DEW and who have been for quite some time:

"..."SVS would bring critical and specialized capabilities to the company, not only in directed energy..."

Dated: Tuesday, August 1, 2000

Source:

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/military/Industry-Scan_12785.html

Does anyone, anyone at all, detect a matter-of-fact, fait accompli tone about the then current status of the deployment of DEW back on 8/1/2000?

BigAl, you grossly understate the nature of that weaponry.

Yes. We detect that there was research and development in its earliest phases begun in 2000.
By 2007, it had come to some fruition: The Boeing YAL-1 airborne laser testbed, carrying COIL lasers of the Megawatt-class that is designed to "to burn a hole in the missile’s metal skin", did first tests to basically destroy tin cans. "The first ABL aircraft – YAL-1A made its virgin flight over western Kansas on July 18, 2002. ... The first COIL module that will be installed on YAL-1A tested at 118 percent of anticipated power during a shakedown run at TRW’s facility in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., in January 2002" (this information is "Current as of 27 February 03").
In November 2004, all six modules of the COIL laser were successfully fired for the first time. "The first firing ('first light') of the COIL laser took place in September 2008. The test lasted less than a second ...". And this is how the technology of laser weapons works: "Where the missile carries liquid fuel, the laser can heat a spot on the missile's fuel tank, causing an increase in internal pressure resulting in catastrophic failure. Alternatively, the missile is heated in an arc around its circumference and crumples under atmospheric drag force or its own g-force."

More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1

The weapon, firing at Megawatt power for up to 5 seconds, can project an amount of energy roughly equivalent to a small jar of this:

That is enough to heat 10-20kg of steel to a temperature where its structural integrity would be compromised. Assuming 100% efficiency at every step. Of course you lose some some of that energy
- at the laser itself
- by absorption and diffraction in the atmosphere
- by reflection on the target
- through radiation from the target as it heats up
So at the very best you could heat 1kg or less of steel to dark red, or melt a couple of 100g.

That is enough to shoot down a missile or a plane
It would only deform some minor spot on a building.



Such, jammonius, are the realities of laser weapons.

In 2001, Boeing's capacities were significantly lower.