Merged Israel Attacks Palestinian Aid Flotilla, According To Reports

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The Fool said:
If there were 9 dead bodies in a bar....would you think a video of a fight outside the bar that happened earlier would allow you to decide the circumstances of the deaths?

please tell me how you would do this..
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If the people who died were the same who were fighting...then yes. Duh.
 
Whichever way this is put, it proves that the organizes of the flotilla didn't care a rats ass about any aid for the Palestinians. All they wanted was a confrontation with the Israelis. If this was not so, they would have unloaded the cargo in the ports that the IDF told them to. That's putting it as simple as possible.
 
amb said:
Whichever way this is put, it proves that the organizes of the flotilla didn't care a rats ass about any aid for the Palestinians. All they wanted was a confrontation with the Israelis.
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On videos taken on the ship before the incident, these moderate peace activists were making speeches about how it's their devout wish to die as martyrs in their Jihad against the dirty Jews, which they told to "go back to Auschwitz" when the IDF first contacted them and asked them to turn back.

Well, they did die in a jihad against the dirty Jews, trying to kill them -- and now they complain.

You just can't satisfy some people.
 
By the way, needless to say, a naval blockade isn't "collective punishment", either according to law or according to common sense.
 
Mycroft said:
Ah, now the backpedaling. You also conclude (on the balance of probability) that the shootings were justified, but just want to slam people for making the same conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt, even though nobody said that. :oldroll:
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you are lying as usual...please show evidence of backpedaling, its simply the case that you can't comprehend the possibility that people don't support the position you assign to them...so when they actually state their beliefs you think its backpedaling?


or is the problem that you don't understand the difference between balance of probability and beyond reasonable doubt?


these is insufficient evidence of what happened in the shooting to make any conclusion beyond a personal opinion of probabilities. You....however...want this matter to be concluded by simply accepting the IDFs assurances. You have nothing more. But you don't really need more as you are a guaranteed supporter.


to be honest you guys are trying my patience.....mouthing off at anyone who does not share your ability to see into the future based on some videos of what happened before the events.


Post in the ^*#%ing paranormal forum if thats your game
 
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amb said:
Whichever way this is put, it proves that the organizes of the flotilla didn't care a rats ass about any aid for the Palestinians. All they wanted was a confrontation with the Israelis. If this was not so, they would have unloaded the cargo in the ports that the IDF told them to. That's putting it as simple as possible.
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The flotilla organizers accepted that the Israeli military might decide on a confrontation. After all they were challenging Israel's blockade, a blockade that had been declared illegal and a possible crime against humanity. It was evident that it was very important to the occupiers of Gaza that the Palestinians be prevented from eating chocolate and from rebuilding their destroyed homes and infrastructure.

The flotilla organizers, however, would have over the moon if Israel had decided to allow them dock in Gaza, as had happened with other aid boats.

Instead, Israel chose violent, military confrontation.
 
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JihadJane said:
The flotilla organizers accepted that the Israeli military might decide on a confrontation. After all they were challenging Israel's blockade, a blockade that had been declared illegal and a possible crime against humanity. It was evident that it was very important to the occupiers of Gaza that the Palestinians be prevented from eating chocolate and from rebuilding their destroyed homes and infrastructure.
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Again, source that it has been declared illegal (as per your original statement, conveniently leaving out the 'UN bit), and now, a crime against humanity.

Prevention of chocolate accusation surfaces again. As asked before, source.

The flotilla organizers, however, would have over the moon if Israel had decided to allow them dock in Gaza, as had happened with other aid boats.
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So the organizers and those who partook on this Mavi Marmara incident had no real intention of making it to Gaza. Instead, those 'activists' wanted to become shahids.

And again, point out the 'aid' the Mavi Marmara carried, along with the quality of the aid (packing, etc.) that summed up the aid carried only on the other 3 ships.

Instead, Israel chose violent, military confrontation.
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Nice attempt at a spin, as with this entire post of yours.

Those who attacked IDF soldiers enforcing a legal blockade chose the path of violence. These 'activists' instigated the violence. The IDF's dramatic boarding of the ship would have sufficed for a political statement by itself, not the premeditated violent path the 'activists' took.

And yes, BP is right, it does sum up the whole moral issue here, except you two have spun it with baseless legal and moral fluff and completely ignoring the reason this blockade is in place in the first place...
 
IDF admitted it was a 'huge mistake' in not knowing who they were facing, which was a bunch of fanatics on the Mavi Marmara whilst boarding, and didn't prepare accordingly, ie using an anti-terror landing party, instead of the Sayarets. And nobody here denies this lack intel on this group, very much different than the other groups faced in previous flotillas.

Swiss cheese.
 
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IDF admitted it was a 'huge mistake' in not knowing who they were facing, which was a bunch of fanatics on the Mavi Marmara whilst boarding, and didn't prepare accordingly, ie using an anti-terror landing party, instead of the Sayarets. And nobody here denies this lack intel on this group, very much different than the other groups faced in previous flotillas.

Swiss cheese.
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Yet they still boarded and had to kill 9 people.

Let the boat dock, arrest them all, distribute the aid, deport them all. No-one has to be gunned down.
 
funk de fino said:
And even the IDF admit it made a huge mistake. The usual deniers here will never admit it though.
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And what was that "huge mistake" the IDF admitted to? Are you claiming it was not letting the flotilla sail to Gaza?
 
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funk de fino said:
Yet they still boarded and had to kill 9 people.
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That's what happens when you bring clubs and knives to a gun fight.

Let the boat dock, arrest them all, distribute the aid, deport them all. No-one has to be gunned down.
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They offered to let them dock in Ashdod where the aid could be distributed.

Have you actually read any of this thread?
 
WildCat said:
That's what happens when you bring clubs and knives to a gun fight.
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Try harder. It was the Israeli who brought guns to an iron bar and knife fight. They could have walked away and now realise they should have.


They offered to let them dock in Ashdod where the aid could be distributed.

Have you actually read any of this thread?
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Yes. Let them dock where they wanted to.
 
funk de fino said:
Try harder. It was the Israeli who brought guns to an iron bar and knife fight. They could have walked away and now realise they should have.
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The IDF did not say they should have walked away. You're either making stuff up or lying. Which is it?


Yes. Let them dock where they wanted to.
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Uh, no. Gaza is under a blockade for good reason.
 
funk de fino said:
You need to stop making crap up and read my posts with your goggles off.
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Then explain this post:
funk de fino said:
And even the IDF admit it made a huge mistake. The usual deniers here will never admit it though.
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You're getting into serious truther territory here, implying things while avoiding making an actual claim.

Would you like to elaborate on the nature of this "huge mistake" the IDF admitted to?
 
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