There is not a single mass grave of holohoax victims.

[Saggy]

Wiernik personally witnessed a burning of corpses.

Pure idiocy. Here's Wiernik on the burning of corpses ....

"The Germans stood around with satanic smiles on their faces, radiating satisfaction over their foul deeds. They drank toasts with choice liquors, ate, caroused, and enjoyed themselves around the warm fire. Thus, even after death the Jew was of some use ... the heat came from the burning bodies of Jews. The German fiends stood warming themselves, drinking, eating and singing."

In Wiernik's phantasmagoria bodies are burned to provide heat. In the real world it takes a substantial amount of fuel, wood or petrol, to burn a body... cursory googling reveals 'It takes about 100 kilograms of wood to create a fire that is hot enough to cremate an average human body'. But in Weirnik's world none is necessary at all .... all you need is women's bodies...

"It turned out that women burned easier than men. Accordingly, corpses of women were used as kindling for the fires."

This is the type of 'evidence' that the Zionists promoting the hoax rely on.

 

[twinstead]

Yup. Saggy and other deniers can say whatever they want. Saggy, I've no doubt you actually believe this crap you are spewing, mainly because it fits in well with your world view. But, the evidence that contradicts your position is indeed overwhelming.

You don't need to 'get it'; it just IS.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Pure idiocy. Here's Wiernik on the burning of corpses ....

"The Germans stood around with satanic smiles on their faces, radiating satisfaction over their foul deeds. They drank toasts with choice liquors, ate, caroused, and enjoyed themselves around the warm fire. Thus, even after death the Jew was of some use ... the heat came from the burning bodies of Jews. The German fiends stood warming themselves, drinking, eating and singing."

In Wiernik's phantasmagoria bodies are burned to provide heat. In the real world it takes a substantial amount of fuel, wood or petrol, to burn a body... cursory googling reveals 'It takes about 100 kilograms of wood to create a fire that is hot enough to cremate an average human body'. But in Weirnik's world none is necessary at all .... all you need is women's bodies...

"It turned out that women burned easier than men. Accordingly, corpses of women were used as kindling for the fires."

This is the type of 'evidence' that the Zionists promoting the hoax rely on.

You obviously failed to read the link you snipped off that quote in your post. Either that or you're twisting the facts again. The corpses are not burned "to provide heat". The guards are described as enjoying the heat they provide.

You have presented no evidence whatsoever for your claim that Weirnik said the fires were lit without fuel or kindling. In the link you snipped it clearly says "When all was ready, dry wood and branches which had been laid under the roaster were ignited." and "At first, inflammable liquid was poured on the bodies to help them burn, but later this was considered to be unneccesary". It also quotes one of the prisoners: "The SS 'expert' on bodyburning ordered us to put women, particularly fat women, on the first layer on the grill, face down. The second layer could consist of whatever was brought - men, women or children - and so on, layer on top of layer... Then the 'expert' ordered us to lay dry branches under the grill and to light them. Within a few minutes the fire would take so it was difficult to approach the crematorium from as far as 50 metres away."

 

[eerok]

This is the type of 'evidence' that the Zionists promoting the hoax rely on.

Have you realized yet that you refuted yourself in the link you provided to HC? I'm not sure that you do, since it requires some pretty fancy mental gymnastics to float all the contradictions of Holocaust denial.

But yeah, at Treblinka: two hectares of human ashes and bones, as deep as 7.5m. You cited that page as evidence that there were no mass graves at Treblinka, and you stated soon after that no one was incinerated there. Can you not see the problem we have with your statements?

Of course, it makes it easy for us when you debunk yourself.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Saggy, I've no doubt you actually believe this crap you are spewing

Actually, I've been tending to assume the opposite. I'm sure he wants it to be true, and wants to create doubt where there is none, but how crazy would you have to be actually to believe it?

 

[eerok]

Saggy, I've no doubt you actually believe this crap you are spewing

Actually, I've been tending to assume the opposite. I'm sure he wants it to be true, and wants to create doubt where there is none, but how crazy would you have to be actually to believe it?

From what I understand, paranoia-fueled delusions can seem very real, and that's where hardcore CT like this comes from. I don't doubt that Saggy believes what he says. It just happens to be completely irrational, and he is almost certainly incapable of seeing that. There's a very slim chance of getting through to him, but I guess it's possible.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

You obviously failed to read the link you snipped off that quote in your post. Either that or you're twisting the facts again. The corpses are not burned "to provide heat". The guards are described as enjoying the heat they provide.

You have presented no evidence whatsoever for your claim that Weirnik said the fires were lit without fuel or kindling. In the link you snipped it clearly says "When all was ready, dry wood and branches which had been laid under the roaster were ignited." and "At first, inflammable liquid was poured on the bodies to help them burn, but later this was considered to be unneccesary". It also quotes one of the prisoners: "The SS 'expert' on bodyburning ordered us to put women, particularly fat women, on the first layer on the grill, face down. The second layer could consist of whatever was brought - men, women or children - and so on, layer on top of layer... Then the 'expert' ordered us to lay dry branches under the grill and to light them. Within a few minutes the fire would take so it was difficult to approach the crematorium from as far as 50 metres away."

You beat me to it.

Yeah, Saggy's actually having to demonstrate his dishonesty by excising parts that disprove the point he's trying to make. I don't think there's any question at this point that this is not accidental exclusion. Saggy's having to deliberately leave out parts.

Which is why I'm amused: The very sources Saggy cites are the ones that refute him. And on top of that, Saggy himself is demonstrating to what extent he's willing to distort fact in order to forward his point.

It's simple: Holocaust deniers have nothing but misrepresentations and distortions. The evidence is here. QED.

 

[kerikiwi]

Saggy is it your opinion that it is a good thing that the holocaust didn't happen, or a bad thing that it didn't happen?

 

[Saggy]

If we believe the Zionists, there were other discoveries at Treblinka .... not only were bodies combustible, but blood itself could be used as fuel ....

According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because "the bodies of woman," which had more fat, "were used to kindle, or more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses." Even more incredible, "blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material," she wrote.


Ref: Rachel Auerbach, "In the Fields of Treblinka," in: A. Donat, ed., Death Camp Treblinka (1979), p. 38.; Similarly, former prisoner Wiernik claimed that "the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires"

More from Auerbach ....

Witnesses tell us that when the corpses were burned on pyres, pans would be placed beneath the racks to catch the fat as it ran off, but this has not been confirmed. But even if the Germans in Treblinka or at any of the other death factories failed to do this, and allowed so many tons of precious fat to go to waste, it could only have been an oversight on their part."

More on Treblinka ... from this link ....http://www.codoh.com/found/fndtreb.html

Y. Arad, trying to sound scientific, reports:

"[T]he corpses... [were] arranged [...] in layers on the roaster to a height of 2 meters. [...] When all was ready, dry wood and branches, which had been laid under the roaster, were ignited. The entire construction, with the bodies, was quickly engulfed in fire [...] and the flames would reach a height of up to 10 meters. [...] [T]he SS men in charge of the cremation became convinced that the corpses burned well enough without extra fuel. Yechiel Reichman, a member of the 'burning group', writes: 'The SS "expert" on bodyburning ordered us to put women, particularly fat women, on the first layer of the grill, face down. The second layer could consist of whatever was brought - men, women, or children - and so on, layer on top of layer [....]"(84)

"These [fresh] bodies did not burn as well as those removed from the ditches [ie. the graves] and had to be sprayed with fuel before they would burn."(85)

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Time for a rousing chorus of "Deutschland unter Wasser!"

 

[tsig]

There was not a single cremation. According to Wiernik they first buried the bodies.

So, according to the hoax the bodies were first buried, then after the Nazis discovered and investigated the mass grave at Katyn, the Nazis realized that they were leaving evidence of their crimes and decided to dig up and burn the buried bodies. This is pure phantasmagoria and there is not a shred of evidence to support it. It's preposterous on its face.

Is that your "word for the day"? How often did your teacher tell you to use it in a sentence?

 

[kerikiwi]

Saggy is it your opinion that it is a good thing that the holocaust didn't happen, or a bad thing that it didn't happen?

 

[Skwinty]

Saggy is it your opinion that it is a good thing that the holocaust didn't happen, or a bad thing that it didn't happen?

◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ can't hear you..

 

[MG1962]

Wiernik is the authoritative hoax reference for Treblinka. From Wiernik, 'A Year At Treblinka' ....

"On a typical day at Treblinka, 10000-12000 people were murdered (p. 16); with a daily high of about 20000 victims (p. 21). At first the victims were buried ...

Strange he actually says no such thing He mentions a day when 30,000 were killed and all 13 gas chambers ran 24 hours a day to accomodate those numbers.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ can't hear you..

Is he any relation to Stupid Jetpack Hitler?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Not that it makes any difference to the Zionist flack, but the bodies at Treblinka were buried. There was no crematorium. And even if there had been, 20,000 a day, or 10,000 a day, or 1000 a day, or 100 a day, are all preposterous numbers.

HTH

so whats this? a pizza oven?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

so whats this? a pizza oven?

Don't open if you don't have a sense of humor.

I would say it's a Jewcer, but that would be in really bad taste, so I won't.

 

[CptColumbo]

Don't open if you don't have a sense of humor.

I would say it's a Jewcer, but that would be in really bad taste, so I won't.

Dude.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

so whats this? a pizza oven?

[qimg]http://pics.xbehome.com/albums/deutschland/munchen/dachau/IMG_1563.jpg[/qimg]

Well to be fair, the filename says "Dachau", not Treblinka. The corpses at Treblinka were cremated over open fire pits on a grid of railway rails.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Dude.

A rabi told me that one. Go kvetch at him.