Who started both World Wars?

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CptColumbo said:
You could probably drop the word "Europeans" from that last sentence.


Not just becuase it was an unnecessary pluralization. :)
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I was taking Nein 11's bigotry toward Non White ( for lack of a better term) for granted); I was pointing out he seems to subscribe to the Nazi belief that
The Nordics were also superior to other branches of the White Race, Slav, Medditerrean, etc.
 
Corsair 115 said:
And what did such U-boat contribution really amount to? Not much. Plus every U-boat sent to the Med was a U-boat permanently lost to the more important Atlantic struggle. (Though given the degree to which the U.S. churned out Liberty ship during the war, the chances of the U-boats successfully shutting down the Atlantic by sinking enough Alied shipping seems remote.)
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It was hard for subs in the Med, the water is clear and fairly shallow so they are easy to spot from the air. Just look at the accounts of the British Subs.
As for the Atlantic. Improved weapons like HFDF, Radio telephones, forward firing AS Mortars, Centrimetric Airborne centimetric Radar that could detect just a Periscope from a submerged sub, 'Leigh' lights on aircraft and long range air cover all contributed.
 
Been watching the German dubbed Russian documentary Der Letzte Mythos tonight. 18 parts in total, have seen the first 13 parts so far. The start of part 11 was particularly interesting. Suvorov claims that Marshall Wilhelm Keitel during his interrogation at this showtrial called IMT-Nuremberg, had told the Allies that the Germans never had planned to attack the USSR, but that they had preempted a coming Soviet attack.

Since we all know that Germans always lie and Soviets and Americans always speak the truth, it is only fair that Keitel was hanged because of carrying out an unprovoked agression against a peaceloving nation or something to that effect. Says wikipedia:

* Conspiracy to commit crimes against peace;
* Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression;
* War crimes; and,
* Crimes against humanity.

And indeed...

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p22_Bishop.html

During the period just prior to the planned Soviet invasion, the USSR's western military districts were ordered to deploy all 114 divisions, then stationed in the interior, to positions on the frontier. Thus, remarks Suvorov, June 13, 1941, "marks the beginning of the greatest displacement of troops in the history of civilization."

Such a massive buildup of forces directly on the frontier simply could not be kept secret. As Suvorov notes, Wilhelm Keitel, Field Marshal and Chief of Germany's armed forces High Command, spoke about the German fears during a postwar interrogation:

All the preparatory measures we took before spring 1941 were defensive measures against the contingency of a possible attack by the Red Army. Thus the entire war in the East, to a known degree, may be termed a preventive war ... We decided ... to forestall an attack by Soviet Russia and to destroy its armed forces with a surprise attack. By spring 1941, I had formed the definite opinion that the heavy buildup of Russian troops, and their attack on Germany which would follow, would place us, in both economic and strategic terms, in an exceptionally critical situation ... Our attack was the immediate consequence of this threat ...

In 1941, Admiral N. G. Kuznetsov was the Soviet Navy minister, as well as a member of the Central Committee of the Soviet Communist Party. In his postwar memoirs, published in 1966, he recalled:

For me there is one thing beyond all argument -- J. V. Stalin not only did not exclude the possibility of war with Hitler's Germany, on the contrary, he considered such a war ... inevitable ... J. V. Stalin made preparations for war ... wide and varied preparations -- beginning on dates ... which he himself had selected. Hitler upset his calculations.

Suvorov comments:

The admiral is telling us quite clearly and openly that Stalin considered war inevitable and prepared himself seriously to enter it at a time of his own choosing. In other words, Stalin was preparing to strike the first blow, that is to commit aggression against Germany; but Hitler dealt a preventive blow first and thereby frustrated all Stalin's plans ...

Let us compare Keitel's words with those of Kuznetsov. Field Marshal Keitel said that Germany was not preparing an aggression against the Soviet Union; it was the Soviet Union which was preparing the aggression. Germany was simply using a preventive attack to defend itself from an unavoidable aggression. Kuznetsov says the same thing -- yes, the Soviet Union was preparing for war and would inevitably have entered into it, but Hitler disrupted these plans with his attack. What I cannot understand is why Keitel was hanged [at Nuremberg], and Kuznetsov was not.

Suvorov believes that Hitler's preemptive strike came just two or three weeks before Stalin's own planned assault. Thus, as Wehrmacht forces smashed Soviet formations in the initial weeks of the "Barbarossa" attack, the Germans marveled at the great numbers of Soviet tanks and other materiel destroyed or captured -- an enormous buildup sufficient not just for an assault on Germany, but for the conquest of all of Europe
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Obviously the statements by Keitel were lies. After all he was a German. And a Nazi on top of that. And Nazis always lie. The ADL said so themselves. Fortunately we have the Soviets/Americans to do the difficult job of correctly interpreting historical events for us so we can continue watching television.

According to a recent copy of Newsweek Europe can’t even be bothered to hate America any more.

I am not so sure if this will stay this way if larger numbers of people start to realize what really happened between 1939-1945.

You don't want to be a native English speaker in this century. That will be mega-out; so nineteen-forties...
 
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If you can find it find 'One Of Our Submarines' (1st ed.). London: Penguin Books. by Edward_Preston_Young.

it's probably the best acount of submarine warfare from WW2.
He commanded boats in the Med and the Far East.

his Wikipedia entry
 
dudalb said:
I was taking Nein 11's bigotry toward Non White ( for lack of a better term) for granted); I was pointing out he seems to subscribe to the Nazi belief that The Nordics were also superior to other branches of the White Race, Slav, Medditerrean, etc.
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With an admirable tenacity dudalb, like a woodpecker, continuous to hammer out his defamation campaign. Dudalb opined earlier that he is of Irish-German descent. It would be interesting to know when the 'German' leg came to the US. I would be surprised if it was not somewhere between 1933 and 1947.
 
The silence of my opponents is very telling... do they understand what just happened?

Have we entered sensitive territory here?
 
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9/11-investigator said:
With an admirable tenacity dudalb, like a woodpecker, continuous to hammer out his defamation campaign. Dudalb opined earlier that he is of Irish-German descent. It would be interesting to know when the 'German' leg came to the US. I would be surprised if it was not somewhere between 1933 and 1947.
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Germans have been immigrating to America since War of Independence, Hessian mercenaries being one of the most well known groups.

Not that you would know any of this, history isn't exactly your strong suit.
 
9/11-investigator said:
The Russian had (long) planned to start the invasion of Germany in July 1941.
The Germans got to know this and attacked preemptively in June.
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The Germans started their plans to invade Russian in July of 1940, as I've mentioned now several times.


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As for the Atlantic. Improved weapons like HFDF, Radio telephones, forward firing AS Mortars, Centrimetric Airborne centimetric Radar that could detect just a Periscope from a submerged sub, 'Leigh' lights on aircraft and long range air cover all contributed.
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No question those were all very important contributions.

But in a war of attrition, the Allies could make good their shipping losses. The U.S. built more than 2,700 Liberty ships between 1941-45, or some 39 million tons of shipping. Over 500 Victory ships were built, adding another 7 million tons of shipping. That's 46 million tons of shipping; the Germans managed to sink a total of 14 million tons of Allied shipping during the entire war. The Allies managed to replace their losses three times over.

That replacement ability combined with the steadily increasing numbers of Allied anti-submarine naval and aerial assets and its technological advances, paints a grim picture for the U-boats. Add to that the blunders of the German high command and it only gets worse.
 
For an effective submarine campaign look at the US/British in the Pacific and Far East. Japanese shipping was hammered.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
For an effective submarine campaign look at the US/British in the Pacific and Far East. Japanese shipping was hammered.
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The US succeeded where the germans tried twice and failed; the strangulation of an island based economy by submarine warfare.

For a so-called "master race", it's rather hard to find anything the germans were really good at (aside from tank design) in WW2.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
For an effective submarine campaign look at the US/British in the Pacific and Far East. Japanese shipping was hammered.
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Helped along quite nicely by Japan not convoying its merchant ships until well into 1943, its anti-submarine escorts lacking radar which allowed the U.S. submarines to operate on the surface at night with far less chance of being detected, and new merchant ship construction which didn't even cover half its losses.

For a nation which was as dependent upon imports as Japan was, its inattention to its merchant shipping requirements and the need to protect those assets is striking.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
The US succeeded where the germans tried twice and failed; the strangulation of an island based economy by submarine warfare.

For a so-called "master race", it's rather hard to find anything the germans were really good at (aside from tank design) in WW2.
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Here is Dolfie's magnum opus:

http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

Could you please point out to me where he is talking about his fellow Germans as the 'masterrace'?
Maybe it is my Ctrl/F that doesn't work.

Thanks in advance!

Oh, and I checked the German version as well, but nowhere says Hitler that he considers his fellow Germans as das Herrenvolk.

But again it must be my Ctrl/F
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Here is Dolfie's magnum opus:

http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

Could you please point out to me where he is talking about his fellow Germans as the 'masterrace'?
Maybe it is my Ctrl/F that doesn't work.

Thanks in advance!

Oh, and I checked the German version as well, but nowhere says Hitler that he considers the his fellow Germans as das Herrenvolk.

But again it must be my Ctrl/F
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Read it and weep, Mein Herr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrenvolk

Defeated by a wikipedia search that took 10 seconds (I even copy-pasta'd "herrenvolk" from your own post).

How embarrassing and humiliating this must be for you.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Read it and weep, Mein Herr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrenvolk

Defeated by a wikipedia search that took 10 seconds (I even copy-pasta'd "herrenvolk" from your own post).

How embarrassing and humiliating this must be for you.
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We all know that wikipedia is a Zionist-friendly editted rag.

I gave you the real 'source of evil', Dolfie's Mein Kampf. Even in English! To make it easy for you.

So, where is it?
 
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