Who started both World Wars?

[332nd]

I notice too you have yet to offer any rebuttals to the two other pieces of German military stupidity I gave earlier. Or do you think Göring was a brilliant commander of the Luftwaffe?

Rat-tat-tattattat down in flames they go.
Fighting men of the 99th send them down below.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The Germans never thought of using anthrax and poison gas against civil targets. The British did.

That's rich. It was the Germans who first developed and used poison gas in ww1. My Grandad was gassed on the Western Front.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Rethorical.

Glitch in the software! S-T-U-P-I-D came through as R-E-T-H-O-R-I-C-A-L, what ever that means.

 

[BaaBaa]

We are interested in what happened, not what could have happened. The Germans never thought of using anthrax and poison gas against civil targets. The British did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent#During_World_War_II

"In 1940 the German Army Weapons Office ordered the mass production of sarin for wartime use. A number of pilot plants were built and a high-production facility was under construction (but was not finished) by the end of World War II. Estimates for total sarin production by Nazi Germany range from 500 kg to 10 tons.

During that time, German intelligence believed that the Allies also knew of these compounds, assuming that because these compounds were not discussed in the Allies' scientific journals information about them was being suppressed. Though sarin, tabun and soman were incorporated into artillery shells, the German government ultimately decided not to use nerve agents against Allied targets. The Allies didn't learn of these agents until shells filled with them were captured towards the end of the war."

 

[aggle-rithm]

You can read about the Roosevelt administration's efforts to enlist Walt Disney to generate pro-war propaganda in the early forties, and Disney's resistance to these efforts, here ...

http://www.rense.com/general91/walt.htm

From the article ....

'On December 8th, 1941 the Army seized Disney studios claiming that they had to use it as a 'defense station' to protect Lockheed which was nearby. Disney's studio was the only one seized by the government. His studio and production facilities sequestered by the government, Disney was now without a job. The next step in the plot against Disney was when the Naval Bureau of Aeronautics contacted him and offered him $80,000 to make twenty animated training films. The anti-Disney move was evidently orchestrated by Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau.

According to Disney he had been forced to 'accept that Jew' Morgenthau, and was being forced by circumstances to be used by Morgenthau "...to deliver political propaganda films that cashed in on the popularity of that all American mouse Mickey..." Disney referred to his cartoon characters as captives who were forced to perform for the Stromboli-like Morgenthau." '

That's OK, we've reached our quota of crazy in this thread.

 

[aggle-rithm]

J-power is based on media control and financing both parties of the political system, the H-word and the domination of public discourse via the works of the Frankfurter Schule.

Aaaaand we're moving the goal posts again. I asked for the names of the Jews controlling America, so you gave me some. I pointed out that those people were essentially powerless, and you now say it was the "media".

The lying started with the treason and deception of Germany by the Allies in 1918. The Allies were far more homicidal than the Germans. The H-word very likely is an Allied invention.

The Germans were deceived in 1918? Why didn't they READ the treaty before they signed it?

Were the Germans not responsible for ANY of their actions in the first half of the 20th century?

 

[Belz...]

Wait a minute, it is you guys who like to pretend that you were the moral characters here.

I think you're projecting. Or perhaps you'd like to provide a quote to prove your assertion ?

Another demonization effort. Let's stick with what people really did, shall we?

How is it demonization ? When did I ever say that developping nuclear weapons was bad ? Seriously, let's stick with what people really say, shall we ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project

That must have been the IQ-test from the Ghana Times, right?

Oh, I'm sure you got at least 18 points for that one.

MY point was that I don't care about IQ because it doesn't mean squat. And it certainly isn't an argument in any debate.

 

[9/11-investigator]

All of that you posted, as far as I can tell, has NOTHING to do with what I posted: that Hitler had commanded his generals to prepare plans for invading Russian nearly a year before Germany actually did so. I even named the German officers who stated that uptopic.

So Germany was preparing to invade Russia nearly a year before it actually did, at a time when it was fighting (and not winning) in the skies over England. I guess that means Russia was preparing to invade Germany more than a year before Germany launched Barbarossa?

From Dolfie's declaration of war against the US:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p389_Hitler.html

When it became clear to us that Soviet Russia concluded that the [German-Soviet] delineation [in August 1939] of political spheres of influence gave it the right to practically exterminate foreign nations, the [German-Soviet] relationship was maintained only for utilitarian reasons, contrary to reason and sentiment.

Here he simply speaks the truth. He needed Soviet backing in his aim of reversing Versailles over the Danzig issue. But it is obvious from all his previous statements (like in Mein Kampf) that he hated the USSR. He had much preferred the British as an ally, but they had turned Germany down ever since it got into existence in 1871.

Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month to month that the plans of the men in the Kremlin were aimed at the domination, and thus the destruction, of all of Europe. I have already told the nation of the build-up of Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia. Only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world-historical dimensions was being carried out. And this was not in order to protect something that was being threatened, but rather only to attack that which seemed incapable of defense.

This is exactly what Suvorov says. So what was Hitler supposed to do? Wait until he was overrun? He was forced to do something about it. And he struck (June 22) when it was clear that the Sovjets were almost ready to strike (July 10) with Soviet soldiers still in the train on their way to the front. Barbarossa was an act of desperation, not 'stupidity'.

But ask yourself this question: what was the ideological difference between Nazi-Germany and Soviet-Russia?
- Nazi-Germany was essentially nationalist. They wanted to integrate German lands in one Reich. And that was it. They wanted to separate themselves from Jews, Poles, Russians, and other inconveniences.
- USSR was a political entity, ideologically armed with Das Kapital of the Jew Marx, with the explicit aim of 'liberating' the working classes of the world from capitalist oppression.

Can't you see the difference? The west-ward expansion of communism was implicit in the communist ideology, where the ideological aim of the Germans was to get Danzig back and a stupid road to East-Prussia and that was it.

Europe had ruled the world until 1939 for more than 4 centuries, with Britain playing the most glamorous role of all European colonial powers. The policy makers in the US understood as early as 1933 that a future war in Europe was their chance to rise to world power at the expense of Europe. And that is the big secret and focal point about the geostrategic multi-player (Germany, Britain/France, USSR, USA and Poland and Japan as smaller players) chess game that WW2 was (and here Buchanan is right): the party who acted the most against it's own interest was Britain. It should never have declared war against Germany over their efforts in getting a German town back that was stolen from them by the British at Versailles. The war declaration meant British suicide and abdication of Europe as the planetary center of power. And Chamberlain did it because he gave in to Jewish/American pressure as he later admitted in private.

Motivations of the WW2 main players:
- Germany: wanted Danzig back and corridor to East-Prussia.
- UK: feared Germany (despite all signs of goodwill from Germany) from an outdated European balance of power politics.
- USSR: wanted world Bolshevism under Moscow leadership and was preparing for it.
- USA: wanted a capitalist NWO under American leadership and was preparing for it.
- Poland: wanted to be an independent state after more than a century of non-existence; felt strong because of (empty) Anglo promisses of support
- Japan: wanted an empire in Asia because it lacked resources for it's industries.

The desaster came over Europe because of narrow-mindedness of the British and their insular mindset and their hanging on to outdated policies.

And the invention of the Holocaust in Nuremberg was necessary to give the Allies a patina of moral justification for the destruction of Europe.

 

[CptColumbo]

Motivations of the WW2 main players:
- Germany: wanted Danzig back and corridor to East-Prussia.

So why did they start with Austria and Czechslovakia? Neither one of those was part of Germany prior to the first World War.

I thought you wrote that you had read Mein Kampf.

 

[CptColumbo]

And that is precisely the only reason why Japan is still a homogeneous nation, unlike America and to a lesser extent Europe. Eastern Europe is virtually white. And that is the reason why these territories have a future and America is going to be balkanized.

I thought you were just Anti-semitic and nationalistic. Now I see that your also a racist.

You probably were actively looking for these goodies, right?

Did you miss the part about them being in my hotel? Your reading comprehension is very poor.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So why did they start with Austria and Czechslovakia? Neither one of those was part of Germany prior to the first World War.

I thought you wrote that you had read Mein Kampf.

Any idea what language they are speaking in Austria and Sudentenland?

Any idea how enthusiastically the reception was of German troops in Austria? Go and have a look on youtube. Far, far more enthusiastically as the reception of the Americans was in Bagdad (or Saigon).

 

[9/11-investigator]

I thought you were just Anti-semitic and nationalistic. Now I see that your also a racist.

The absolute horror, a racist!

The word 'racism' btw is an invention by a Jew (who else?), Magnus Hirschfeld (I see he also promoted gay rights and feminism, 2 other ticking time bombs under our society: white women on average hardly have more than 1 child. Anybody smelling an agenda here?). It is a word designed by the enemies of European civilization with the intention to bring said civilization down and convert it into a half European/African jungle (go and have a look in Detroit to have an idea what is ahead for Eurosphere) where the Jews can rule using this word racism as a tyrannical whip. Basically racial Bolshevism replacing economic Bolshevism as the new strategy of the Jews to attain global supremacy (NWO).

Well I have got some news for you, even Euro-Americans prefer to be among themselves. However most of them are afraid to admit that (because of the power of political correctness, another Jewish invention).

But I am the first to admit that the loss of racial identity of the Hillbillies or the British is far less catastropic for the realization of the final evolutionary potential of mankind as an interplanetary colonist than that of Europeans.

Anglo racism is indeed a bit of a joke really. In fact hyper-nervous CptColumbo could use a little bit of color himself. Good luck while you guys Brazilianise yourself! Send us a postcard from Copa-ca-Florida, will ya?

Interesting 'best countries of the world' ranking by Newsweek. Obviously white nations are on top, African countries at the bottom. Reason: different racial abilities, a fact every 19th century European knew (White Men's burden), but is now forbidden to say so because of the Auschwitz-story, the Jews invented at Nuremberg.

The only reason why the US is still in position 11 is because of the post-WW2 framework of institutions (first of all the dollar as global reserve currency) that were all designed in America's favour. When the dollar crashes, the US will fall back to current Brasil level ($10,000/capita), where it belongs. For racial reasons.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Saggy? Why did Disney make so many movies during the war if he was shut down? I have a whole box of DVDs here that were directly related to the war.

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent#During_World_War_II

"In 1940 the German Army Weapons Office ordered the mass production of sarin for wartime use. A number of pilot plants were built and a high-production facility was under construction (but was not finished) by the end of World War II. Estimates for total sarin production by Nazi Germany range from 500 kg to 10 tons.

During that time, German intelligence believed that the Allies also knew of these compounds, assuming that because these compounds were not discussed in the Allies' scientific journals information about them was being suppressed. Though sarin, tabun and soman were incorporated into artillery shells, the German government ultimately decided not to use nerve agents against Allied targets. The Allies didn't learn of these agents until shells filled with them were captured towards the end of the war."

http://www.rense.com/general47/thil.htm
Churchill - Drunk With Thrill Of Genocide
By Chris Floyd - The Moscow Times 1-9-4

About Churchill:

Entertain conjecture of a national leader, in the midst of a ferocious war, plotting to drop tens of thousands of anthrax "superbombs" on the civilian population of his enemy. At his order, his generals draw up a detailed plan for a chemical attack on six major cities: they estimate that millions will die immediately "by inhalation," with millions more succumbing later through skin absorption of the poisons.

In the end, the leader is thwarted by objections from his aides and allies. To assuage his frustration, he launches another pet idea: "Operation Thunderclap," a massive conventional bombing raid on the enemy's capital, also aimed at civilians, designed to "castrate" the enemy population. In a single night, allied forces kill 25,000 people, almost all of them from the city's working class and poorest districts.

Finally he gets his sadistic way with Dresden:

Emboldened, he presses for yet another feast of fire and death. He gets it: a bombing raid on a non-military target, a cultural center, a city glutted with refugees, slave laborers and prisoners of war -- his own soldiers and those of his allies. The raid kills 35,000 people or more; no one knows for sure, because the city is completely pulverized -- and is bombed again immediately afterward, with special high explosives, in an attempt to kill any survivors hiding in the ruins.

That's 135,000 people killed.

As journalist Mike Davis reports in his book, "Dead Cities," Churchill's plan to blanket Germany with 40,000 anthrax bombs was narrowly averted by Franklin Roosevelt.

I am surprised here, I really am.

Oddly enough, these attacks were launched over the strenuous objections of some of America's most battle-hardened military brass, Davis notes. Air Force General George McDonald railed against "indiscriminate homicide and destruction," which "repudiates our past purposes and practices." War Secretary Henry Stimson warned, "We don't want the United States to get the reputation of outdoing Hitler in atrocities." Major General Laurence Kuter declared "it is contrary to our national ideals to wage war against civilians."

Military men being more honorable than politicians, no surprises here. After all they are supposed to carry out the dirty work loading mountains of bad Karma on their shoulders.

These honorable stances cut no ice with Churchill (or Roosevelt, in the end). Of course, the pendulously jowled prime minister was a mass-destruction fan from way back. In 1919, Churchill called for airborne chemical assaults on "uncooperative Arabs" (actually Kurds and Afghans, but your great men need not make such petty distinctions). "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas," he declared. "I am strongly in favor of using poison gas against uncivilized tribes.."

I challenge my opponents to come up with similar intentions from Dolfie.

Some years later, a certain A. Hitler would apply this gaseous philosophy to another troublesome "tribe."

Probably Allied invented baloney.

The two Teutonically-derived statesmen also shared a loathing for the lesser breeds.

Remember that this article was written for the Moscow Times.

More on the murderous intentions of Churchill in the Sunday Herald.

 

[Belz...]

The word 'racism' btw is an invention by a Jew (who else?),

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Moscow Times

 

[Andy_Ross]

Disney designed the mascots for both the Flying Tigers and Eagle Squadrons before the USA even entered the war. All the studios produced war propaganda and flag wavers. Disney Studios even contributed to the artwork carried by US Bombers and Fighters off their own back.

What has Disney got to do with the thread anyway?

 

[MG1962]

Any idea what language they are speaking in Austria and Sudentenland?

Any idea how enthusiastically the reception was of German troops in Austria?

So why then did the Nazi party of Austria stage a coup days before the referendum to consider should Austria become part of Germany

 

[Saggy]

What do you make of this quote from the Floyd article .....

"The mass British counter-raids aimed at "breaking the enemy's morale" were targeted almost exclusively against the "lower orders," who died by the hundreds of thousands ............. Yet the sumptuous, undefended villas of Nazi leaders (the very men who had ordered the blitz on English cities) and major Nazi industrialists (who, along with their American partners like Prescott Bush, had built Hitler's war machine) were specifically excluded from the attacks. What stirring chivalry among the warrior elite!"

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What do you make of this quote from the Floyd article .....

"The mass British counter-raids aimed at "breaking the enemy's morale" were targeted almost exclusively against the "lower orders," who died by the hundreds of thousands ............. Yet the sumptuous, undefended villas of Nazi leaders (the very men who had ordered the blitz on English cities) and major Nazi industrialists (who, along with their American partners like Prescott Bush, had built Hitler's war machine) were specifically excluded from the attacks. What stirring chivalry among the warrior elite!"

Why do you believe anything he says? Gullibility or deliberate red herring? I'm split here.