"Do the orders still stand?" - Person identified

R.Mackey said:
From his latest "work" I'd say he's still a bit suspicious, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a full-blown, raving, Illuminati-or-Space-Lizards Truther anymore. Some inquiry is healthy (although cold-calling people and publicizing their names and phone numbers based on unfounded suspicions is definitely not).
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My impression was that he had merely abandoned the "no-plane" aspect to his trutherism.

I remember an interview at the end of last year where he outlined his objections to the no-plane tenet. Fetzer the host, was apoplexicly aghast at such heresy :=]

I think you can still find him haunting creepy hidey-holes such as the Ikce forums giving it large as they say.....


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AJM8125 said:
Now that's impressive! Thanks! :D
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Luckily, Twoofers don't really believe their own nonsense! If they did, things like this would be rampant. Though, their need for attention, of any kind, doesn't rule this out entirely. Sad, really.
 
I just hope Jeff Hill is taking his medication for his mental disorder which landed him into some trouble in the past when he was off them.

I know he upset many private citizens near Shanksville by making the calls public that he recorded without permission. All these type of calls are completely unethical and worthless.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Finally we know who the person was who asked Cheney if "the orders still stand", as reported by Norman Mineta. It was naval aide Douglas F. Cochrane. Here's the research leading to his identification.

Our friend Jeff Hill aka shure called him already. Cochrane has nothing to add and doesn't want to tell what Cheney's orders were. His interview with the 9/11 commission is still classified. The phone call:

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Telling an idiot he is nice man; very polite.
Jeff, he told you the official account is correct! How stupid is Jeff? And is it true he is cured? He told you the truth.

"The text book on math is the authoritative narrative for math." Jeff says, "but they are saying 2+2 is eleventeemillion!" reality says, "Jeff, the math text book is the authoritative narrative on math". Jeff says, "tell me truth"... Open the book Jeff.

Prank calls from an idiot. Jeff Hill is dumber than dirt and posts proof on the Internet. Has he recovered from the terminal stupidity of 911 truth?
 
Didn't Jeff Hill once admit he was supposed to be on anti-psychotic meds and hadn't been taking them?

Not that being mentally ill is a requirement for being a truther, but it sure helps!
 
<truther>

He was obviously just repeating what he was ordered to say if ever asked about his testimony. COVERUP!!1!

</truther>

<reality>

As someone who had to deal with the public on a daily basis while in uniform I can tell you that just about anything, classified or not, is kept as limited in scope as possible when dealing with obvious idiots. This is not because of some nefarious scheme but because people often hear what they want to hear (Case in point: CE originally thought that the officers central PA accent and lower voice sounded the same as the snow loons higher pitched Canadian accent).

I'd also like to point out that the officer didn't start out with "The 9/11 commission report is the authoritative narrative on the events surrounding 9/11. I have nothing further to add" and didn't go there until being polite was shown to be pointless (over 8 minutes into the clip).

I had a few cut and dried answers for certain questions as well and if the idiot kept persisting, after being politely told several times that I wasn't going answer their questions (for whatever reason), I would re-direct them to the OIC. This officer did the same basic thing by referring him to the 9/11 CR. Sounds like standard naval procedure to me.

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Childlike Empress said:
Finally we know who the person was who asked Cheney if "the orders still stand", as reported by Norman Mineta. It was naval aide Douglas F. Cochrane. Here's the research leading to his identification.

Our friend Jeff Hill aka shure called him already. Cochrane has nothing to add and doesn't want to tell what Cheney's orders were. His interview with the 9/11 commission is still classified. The phone call:
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So? Who cares?
 
ProBonoShill said:
So? Who cares?
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Well, I do. Now we can see that this guy wasn't some brain-dead automaton who would simply accept orders to help murder thousands of his countrymen. He's a real guy, who really dealt with a really bad situation, and even after all that, can still remain civil whist being hounded by a clearly insane person.

So that's nice to know.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Finally we know who the person was who asked Cheney if "the orders still stand", as reported by Norman Mineta. It was naval aide Douglas F. Cochrane. Here's the research leading to his identification.

Our friend Jeff Hill aka shure called him already. Cochrane has nothing to add and doesn't want to tell what Cheney's orders were. His interview with the 9/11 commission is still classified. The phone call:

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You know what. Jeff Hill conducted a very good interview with this Douglas Cochran fellow. Oddly enough, I think Cochrane actually WANTED to say more than he did.

He has cards he ain't showin' and that is for sure.

Here's a very rough partial summary of some of the important parts of what was said:

0:40 the young man
1:54 Doesn't look that young.
2:36 I'm not prepared to talk about this subject at all.
3:00 That was a long long time ago Most of the work I did as Naval aide to the vice president
3:52 Man in black going in opposite direction of everyone else.
4:55 Commission Report is official I don't really have anything to add beyond that
5:55 History buff, nothing further to add
6:12 9/11 Commission Report is the authoritative narrative of that day of that series of days. I answered every question the commission had in a public forum and later in a classified forum.
6:39 Q. Well sir do you believe we have been told the truth about 9/11
[PREGNANT PAUSE]
A. I have nothing further to add...
<8:00 Conversation continues with reliance placed on 9/11 Commission Report, how'd you get my military cell phone, I have nothing further to add, etc.
9:00 Q. If you were to answer my question about the orders do you think that would get Cheney in trouble?
[PREGNANT PAUSE]
9:52 Goodnight Jeff

I think Cochrane knows that the planes aspect was simply a part of the MILITARY EXERCISE and that there were no planes involved in 9/11. That is what he wants to be able to say and cannot say.

Jeff Hill is one of the best 9/11 investigators there is.

The conversation with Cochrane is a splendid piece of work. It is noteworthy for what was said, how it was said, voice inflection and so on. There's more to Cochrane than meets the eye here, folks. That man is on the verge of blowing the whistle. Mark my words.

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Why would anyone be shocked by the fact that someone wouldn't want to answer some CT nut's questions? Like every other interview it would either be quote mined or a reason for truthers to harrass him for lying because he didn't confirm their beliefs.
 
grandmastershek said:
Why would anyone be shocked by the fact that someone wouldn't want to answer some CT nut's questions? Like every other interview it would either be quote mined or a reason for truthers to harrass him for lying because he didn't confirm their beliefs.
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Thank you for your speculation about the interview conducted by Jeff Hill with Douglas F. Cochrane. Your opinion concerning why Cochrane did not answer questions is as good as anyone else's.

I, for one, have a different view on the interview. I think Cochrane wants to be able to say more than he did. I have elsewhere given my impression about what he wants to say.

all the best
 
jammonius said:
Thank you for your speculation about the interview conducted by Jeff Hill with Douglas F. Cochrane. Your opinion concerning why Cochrane did not answer questions is as good as anyone else's.

I, for one, have a different view on the interview. I think Cochrane wants to be able to say more than he did. I have elsewhere given my impression about what he wants to say.

all the best
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Except we can give a million examples of truthers, you included, doing what I stated. The difference between you and I is mine has evidence...yours is your belief in mind reading.

jammonius said:
He has cards he ain't showin' and that is for sure.
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Or he doesn' t want to answer right off the top of his head and make a mistake which kooks will cling to as "evidence".
 
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jammonius said:
Thank you for your speculation about the interview conducted by Jeff Hill with Douglas F. Cochrane. Your opinion concerning why Cochrane did not answer questions is as good as anyone else's.

I, for one, have a different view on the interview. I think Cochrane wants to be able to say more than he did. I have elsewhere given my impression about what he wants to say.

all the best
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Why do you think Cochrane is a coward?
 
Redtail said:
Why do you think Cochrane is a coward?
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Redtail,

Oh, alright, let me give a hint about proper process, yet again:

If you want to attribute to me a thought, claim, inference or interpretation that I or anyone else has not said, it is best to check for accuracy of understanding before attributing to the person something not said.

Had you double checked with me for accuracy of understanding I would have said as follows:

No, I do not think Cochrane is a coward. Instead, I think he is brave astute and is biding his time.

That said, you might get additional disagreement about cowardice out of Dtugg who had something interesting to say about such matters over in the SAIC-ARA thread. There, you might want to take a look at this post by Dtugg:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6204174&postcount=293

Based on Dtugg's post, it is possible that Dtugg would attribute a certain fear to Cochrane that would be well founded and not, therefore, consistent with cowardice.

Do you agree with the implications of Dtugg's post?
 
grandmastershek said:
Except we can give a million examples of truthers, you included, doing what I stated. The difference between you and I is mine has evidence...yours is your belief in mind reading.



Or he doesn' t want to answer right off the top of his head and make a mistake which kooks will cling to as "evidence".
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Your post is not very clear to me. Would you consider revising it to make whatever point you are seeking to make a bit more cogent?

Meanwhile, do I understand you to claim your speculation is better than that of others, including mine? If so, I think it fairer to say that "speculation is speculation." You might be right and you might be wrong; and, vice versa as it applies to me.

all the best
 
jammonius said:
Oddly enough, I think Cochrane actually WANTED to say more than he did.
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That's the impression that i got, too. The way in which he repeated his mantras was very odd. That's what led to my confusion about who said the last sentence. I'm actually quite embarrassed about that mistake, because it shows my confirmation bias/wishful thinking. Thanks for catching it, Horatius. It was in time that i was able to edit my earlier post.
 
Yes, I think he did want to say more. He wanted to call Hill a loon.
 
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