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"Do the orders still stand?" - Person identified

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Finally we know who the person was who asked Cheney if "the orders still stand", as reported by Norman Mineta. It was naval aide Douglas F. Cochrane. Here's the research leading to his identification.

Our friend Jeff Hill aka shure called him already. Cochrane has nothing to add and doesn't want to tell what Cheney's orders were. His interview with the 9/11 commission is still classified. The phone call:

 
Glad to see someone stand up to the Canadian nut job like that.

He got the answer he deserved.
 
Jeff hill is a psychotic stalker. Imo he should be arrested for harrassment. As for this "order still stands" crap...welcome back to 2006...move on.

TAM:)
 
If he'd said that the order in question was a shoot-down order and the whole exchange referred to the projected track of flight 93, would any conspiracy theorists believe him?

Dave
 
He must have said "I have nothing further to add" about 10 times. He showed more patience than I would.

Somebody also needs to explain to this guy that he needs to tell the other party that the phone call is being recorded, otherwise, it is worthless.
 
I love how he repeats the mantras "the 9/11 commission report is the authorative narrative" and "i have nothing further to add" over and over again, but doesn't hang up. What he says at the very end of the call* is kind of spooky in that light, don't you think?

*edit: "... and i would really appreciate it if you would find it in your heart ... to ... get the truth out about what really happened that day. It would help 6.5 billion people in this world right now."

Oh oh.

edit2: It was Hill who said that, not Cochrane. Sorry about that.
 
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T.A.M. said:
Jeff hill is a psychotic stalker. Imo he should be arrested for harrassment. As for this "order still stands" crap...welcome back to 2006...move on.
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I have it on good authority (second-hand with a reliable intermediary) that Jeff Hill has renounced Trutherism, and now thinks the whole thing was silly. Good for him if it's true.

The last few holdouts will eventually figure it out. Some people just need a little time. OK, a lot of time. :D
 
Childlike Empress said:
I love how he repeats the mantras "the 9/11 commission report is the authorative narrative" and "i have nothing further to add" over and over again, but doesn't hang up. What he says at the very end of the call* is kind of spooky in that light, don't you think?
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you do realize that except for on the internet, no one cares...right?
 
My comments would be maybe not have Jeff Hill doing this kind of calling. He does not have a professional manner. Why not write a letter first. Less confrontational. Maybe they're going for the Michael Moore effect. I think that can be really useful in certain situations but not in this one.

I'm a little confused as well: Mineta talked about a "young man", but we see at 1:50 a picture of an obviously older man. What are we to make of this?

Final comment: I agree. Why doesn't Cochrane just hang up on him? If I really had "nothing more to add", I would. If you're unwilling to explain what you meant by "do the orders still stand?" then you might as well hang up. Repeating the words "The 9/11 Commission Report is the authoritative narrative..." like it's a line you've been fed isn't terribly convincing, either.
 
ergo said:
My comments would be maybe not have Jeff Hill doing this kind of calling. He does not have a professional manner. Why not write a letter first. Less confrontational. Maybe they're going for the Michael Moore effect. I think that can be really useful in certain situations but not in this one.

I'm a little confused as well: Mineta talked about a "young man", but we see at 1:50 a picture of an obviously older man. What are we to make of this?

Final comment: I agree. Why doesn't Cochrane just hang up on him? If I really had "nothing more to add", I would. If you're unwilling to explain what you meant by "do the orders still stand?" then you might as well hang up. Repeating the words "The 9/11 Commission Report is the authoritative narrative..." like it's a line you've been fed isn't terribly convincing, either.
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What you should make of it, is that recollecting what occurred in the heat of the moment with such an event is not likely reliable unless backed up with numerous other witnesses, and physical evidence.

The issue is so old, I had almost forgotten it...not that it deserved much attention in the first place.

Mackey:

If what you say about Hill is true, then good for him...there is hope that maybe the rest of the turds will wake up and realize what crap they are spewing.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Mackey:

If what you say about Hill is true, then good for him...there is hope that maybe the rest of the turds will wake up and realize what crap they are spewing.
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There is. But keep in mind this is unverified.

From his latest "work" I'd say he's still a bit suspicious, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a full-blown, raving, Illuminati-or-Space-Lizards Truther anymore. Some inquiry is healthy (although cold-calling people and publicizing their names and phone numbers based on unfounded suspicions is definitely not).

However, he certainly doesn't support CE's pet insanity any longer, namely Craig Ranke's delusions. Interesting how quickly those rifts get paved over, isn't it?
 
Childlike Empress said:
I love how he repeats the mantras "the 9/11 commission report is the authorative narrative" and "i have nothing further to add" over and over again, but doesn't hang up.
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He also mentions that Shure was calling his official government cell phone. It's generally frowned upon to just hang up on people when it's your official phone, even if the person you're talking to is clearly insane.

He'd also be aware that anything he says may be quoted and/or misquoted. In that case, it's best to not say anything substantive.

What he says at the very end of the call* is kind of spooky in that light, don't you think?

*edit: "... and i would really appreciate it if you would find it in your heart ... to ... get the truth out about what really happened that day. It would help 6.5 billion people in this world right now."

Oh oh.
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Of course, the "he" who said that was Shure.....
 
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