9-11 Presentation at NMSR, May 19 2010

I see formulas. I don't see calculations. I don't see a calculation of rubble impact.

Speaking of calculations, when are you going to present your mathematical proof that NIST and all these other engineers and physicists are wrong?

I think it is odd that you haven't already. You are able to provide said mathematical proof, are you not?
 
I know it's chapter 9. Where in this chapter do they discuss the crushing powers of rubble? What page of the pdf?

I'm not your personal librarian. Read chapter 9. Do you think that NIST is wrong in this chapter? Are they wrong were they discuss how the downward movement of the top block was far too much for the structure below to handle? Where is your mathematical proof?
 
I'm not claiming they're wrong necessarily. I'm claiming you're wrong and that you haven't supported with facts your bizarre notions of the effect of gravity on a collection of particles.
I saw those goal post somewhere. :rolleyes:


Do you want me to show that gravity acts equally on all objects within it's field? Do you doubt this?
 
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I'm not your personal librarian. Read chapter 9. Do you think that NIST is wrong in this chapter? Are they wrong were they discuss how the downward movement of the top block was far too much for the structure below to handle? Where is your mathematical proof?

NIST does not discuss the rubble.
 
NIST does not discuss the rubble.

Once again, is NIST wrong when they discuss how the downward movement of the top part of the building was far too much for the bottom part to handle, causing global collapse? Where is your mathematical proof? That they do not discuss the rubble should tell you something.
 
Once NIST showed that the energy budget of the falling mass (be it rubbleized or a solid block) exceeded the capabilities of the lower floors connections to carry it NIST didn't have to go any farther in their calculations. It's a pointless exercise and a waste of time and money to bother explaining that once you have enough static mass to break a connection that all lower connections (that were all the same on the office floors no matter if it was the 90th floor or the 16th floor) would also fail in the same manner. Add in the fact that the mass was dynamic and all but either absolute idiots or internet trolls will profess to not understand that. Neither one is worth the effort beyond a certain point. That point was reached about 150 comments ago (if not before then) in this thread.
 
I am extremely flattered to have my argument compared with that of Tony Szamboti's, and very pleased with myself that I could come to the same (albeit stupidly obvious) conclusions as he, considering his knowledge of physics is vastly superior to mine. Thank you. I know I'm on the right track.
In your case it's just a regular FAIL. In his case it's an EPIC FAIL + DOUBLE FACEPALM at a minimum.

Yes the total mass falling is the same. Some of it falls out the sides of the building, however. Impact force is not the same.
Aah, so that was the trick, that there's less mass than there would be if no rubble exited the perimeter.

And that prevents the collapse how, exactly? Remember that rubble accumulates as collapse progresses; even if there's some ejection of mass there's always an increasing remnant which can't escape (don't forget the French demolitions).

Yes, there will surely be some conversion of potential energy into heat within the rubble due to the friction between particles, but we're not talking of any significant heating here, thus no significant reduction in the amount of PE available for crushing.
 
Once again, is NIST wrong when they discuss how the downward movement of the top part of the building was far too much for the bottom part to handle, causing global collapse? Where is your mathematical proof?

No. Chandler and Ross, among many others, have already pointed this out.

That they do not discuss the rubble should tell you something.

Yes, it does.
 
Once NIST showed that the energy budget of the falling mass (be it rubbleized or a solid block) exceeded the capabilities of the lower floors connections to carry it NIST didn't have to go any farther in their calculations. It's a pointless exercise and a waste of time and money to bother explaining that once you have enough static mass to break a connection that all lower connections (that were all the same on the office floors no matter if it was the 90th floor or the 16th floor) would also fail in the same manner. Add in the fact that the mass was dynamic and all but either absolute idiots or internet trolls will profess to not understand that.

Delusional.
 
NIST does not discuss the rubble.
What about Fred, the Flintstone? This will be as close as you get to reality on 911; what you want to bet?

Where is your paper to prove your point? What is your point? How can you support 8 years of delusions and come without evidence?

Are you saying debris has no mass? How does a shotgun work? Pretty nasty hole!

Water. Does water have mass? How does a liquid do anything? If debris has not mass, water must be more massless...???!!?@#@#

Physics! What happened to Coach Stubbs (my first physics teacher besides gravity, falls, and objects hitting me; may he rest in peace)?



Get thyself to a physics class! Quick

Think Physics! Stop messing up science!
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Dropping a bag of sand onto a structure has the potential to focus more destructive force
than dumping the contents of the same bag onto the structure.

You have to talk to OCTers at a kindergarten level ergo or theydon't get it.

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Is that why earth slides and avalanches don't come in bags? Are you supporting debris has no mass? Should I pack my buckshot in a bag? Where is the math?
Does this mean I will die slower if the dirt falls into a trench, cause the dirt is loose instead of in bags? What was your point? Loose dirt kills 70 people a year; would it be more hazardous in bags?

911 truth can't do the math and has the CD delusion. When will 911 truth be at a kindergarten level? My kindergarten kids do math, why can't 911 truth?
 
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Because the rubble is a loose and randomized collection of building fragments and tends to spill over the sides. Individual rubble pieces do not have sufficient mass to crush through intact building components.

Water crushing a car. Which I showed you.

Isn't water a "loose and randomized collection of ... fragments and tends to spill over the sides?"

are you saying that water didn't crush that car?
 

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