Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[triforcharity]

Your claims are disjointed. It might interest you to know that the NYPD succeeded in identifiying all cars that were declared "totalled" and did so by properly identifying them, that is, by VIN number. There was no need to remind them that that is how vehicles are properly identified. They just did it and did it completely.

I have sourced this claim elsewhere and will not source it here. It is contained as an entry in, I believe, one of the 9/11 museum websites and mentioned in other contexts as well, including in connection with attempts to sell as used cars some that were declared totalled as a result of the destruction wrought by DEW on 9/11.

As to your desire to change the subject to that of DEW, please see the proper threads on that subject.

all the best

Do you know how many places a VIN can be found on most vehicles? Can you name them? I can.

I haveno doubt that some fraud existed somewhere from people trying to sell vehicles that were declared totaled. Not suprising in the least bit.

Please present some evidence in any of the other threads that discuss DEW, that DEWs were used on 9/11.

Thanks.

 

[fess]

No need to generalize. Look at each segment and determine where it aired and go from there. That is what the data in this thread allows you to do, if you are interested.

So, you think I am generalizing? Well, let me make this general statement. The only thing you have proven throughout this entire thread, from the beginning of your All43 video to the video provided by your cousin, is; you are a fraud of the first degree.
When asked by anyone to show proof of your insane claims, you go tip toeing through never-never land screaming like a ten year old girl that you don’t engage in twenty questions or play “gotcha” games. But you don’t mind playing like the village idiot spouting off nonsensical stagnant bologna all the way through 86 pages.
So, unless you can answer the questions that you have ignored that were posted by myself and others, you remain a fraud, a proven fraud.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If a vehicle is an insurance write off you can usualy buy it back from the insureers and repair it or it can be stripped for spares. I have a Yamaha that I crashed last summer, the fairing was damaged and the forks. My inurers wrote it off and paid me out. I got it back off them for a nominal sum and repaired it, all it needed was new forks, front wheel, clip ons and fairing plastics. I got them all apart ffrom the forks from a breakers and got it sprayed up. Like a lot of vehicles it was written off because an insurance repair is based on all new manufacturers parts and pro labour.

 

[CompusMentus]

In my (admittedly limited) experience with insurance claims adjusters I always found them to be extremely polite but very, very shrewd fellows, highly capable at their work.

Why don't we see reports from these professionals concerning the "DEW" damage on the ground at the WTC? Or do Wood Johston and all the other loco dementos believe claims adjusters have been hoodwinked or paid off?

Compus

 

[TJM]

AJM,

Let me check for accuracy of understanding. You do understand, do you not, that the reptitive, rhetorical questioning about Ed Felt and/or Shanksville and/or Flight 93 have not got anything at all, in logic, reason or otherwise, to do with alleged Flight 175? You understand that, right?

Do you also grasp that by seeking to change the subject from the ALL43 videos purporting to show an alleged jetliner, and claims related to Flight 175, you are showing a sign of weakness?

You are literally trying to change the subject instead of refuting the NO PLANE evidence as it relates to alleged Flight 175.

The ALL 43 videos can only accurately be said to show a shadowy, unidentified flying object. You are allowing that claim to go unrefuted by repitition of the Ed Felt mantra.

In refusing to deal with the ALL43 video or the other aspects of alleged Flight 175 that are being posted in this thread, you are conveying a message that you haven't got anything to refute the claim that alleged Flight 175 was a psyop based on false imagery.

86 pages on the ALL43 videos associated with Flight 175 and the most common reply is "what about Ed Felt". That is a complete capitulation and admission of failure to refute could a few of you but realize it.

Your understanding is inaccurate. What you fail to understand is the "all 43 videos" garbage your trying to push has been debunked long ago.

You have nothing but an argument from incredulity. You think those crappy, low resolution videos do not show a Boeing 767 therefore they are fake. We get that. You have failed, repeatedly, to convince anyone that they are fake as you've embarked on your extravaganza of quote mining, cherry picking and hand waving.

What you're left with is having to defend an incredibly ridiculous position that has you backed into a corner when faced with little things like those thousands of witnesses who saw airplanes fly into the towers with their own eyes, the millions who saw it on TV and so on.

Then there's the question of Ed Felt, whose remains were found in a crater in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Mr. Felt's remains were identified using DNA analysis by Wally Miller, who is on record saying that he has all of the matching DNA profiles for the passengers and crew of Flight 93 plus four additional unique DNA profiles that are unidentified. Wally Miller is on record for also saying that each set of identified remains have been released back to their families.

You might think that question is off topic and if so, please report as such. I maintain it is on topic as earlier in this thread you've insinuated that the families have been paid off, are being coerced into silence, are lying or do not exist and are part of your grand psyop. The question of Ed felt, Wally Miller, the families and the ongoing posts by Compus cut directly to heart of your delusion.

These questions and others like them simply aren't going away with a handwave and I'll be here to remind you that fact every so often.

 

[CompusMentus]

You might think that question is off topic and if so, please report as such. I maintain it is on topic as earlier in this thread you've insinuated that the families have been paid off, are being coerced into silence, are lying or do not exist and are part of your grand psyop. The question of Ed felt, Wally Miller, the families and the ongoing posts by Compus cut directly to heart of your delusion.

These questions and others like them simply aren't going away with a handwave and I'll be here to remind you that fact every so often.

Good post.

Questions about Flight 93 are plainly on topic in this thread. The fate of all the aircraft and the people on board that day are inextricably entwined. For instance, if the two jets at the WTC are "holograms" or whatever, then what was it that crashed at Shanksville? Did "they" "hologram" that?

It is all so absolutely bloody absurd. I wouldn't bother, I would love to sit back and just browse occasionally and not get involved. But the disrespect shown (to the victims and loved ones) by jammonius and others of their odious ilk is sickening.

Keep up the good work AJ.

Compus

 

[TJM]

Keep up the good work AJ.

Compus

Just following your excellent example, thank you.

It is all ridiculous, Like the fact he won't even touch the Pentagon, which the mighty hologram / DEW combination evidently failed to destroy.

That too cuts to the heart of his delusion, as does everything else.

 

[CompusMentus]

The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

There were no survivors.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS

Eric Samadikan Hartono, 20, was a passenger on Flight 175. He lived in Boston, Massachusetts. Eric was the son of Samadikun Hartono, a chairman of the Modern Group, and Vice President at Fuji Film. According to his father's wish, Eric was being educated in America. "We like the American way of thinking," Mr. Hartono had said.

Eric was planning to attend the University of Southern California, and was travelling back there after spending some time with his girlfriend, Luvena.

His friends from high school said he blended in with everyone. "He never talked about his wealth or what his parents do." Dani Setiawan, one of his high school friends, said.

Another friend, Mario Hartono (who was no relation) said this about him, "He was a great guy, really nice and just a good guy".

His brother Eugene writes "Knowing the fact of what happened breaks my heart, but to me, you are always a brave little boy I used to know and you will always be my little brother. May God bless you forever"

Source: HERE HERE

Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus

 

[Bell]

Compus, will you be putting up all your "Crew and Passengers of United Airlines Flight 175" posts on a website? It would be a shame to let these posts fade away in this obscure and silly thread.

 

[Andy_Ross]

good idea.

 

[CompusMentus]

Compus, will you be putting up all your "Crew and Passengers of United Airlines Flight 175" posts on a website? It would be a shame to let these posts fade away in this obscure and silly thread.

I've never really thought about it Bell.

I think, if I did take on a project like that, I would be feel a duty to pay homage to all the other 9/11 victims too. That would be a significant undertaking, at the moment I just haven't got the time. My 9/11debates site is on hold for that reason. If anyone here wants (for legitimate reasons) the information I've collected, they are welcome to it. Just PM me.

Compus

 

[Bell]

How many stories have you already written down, all 60? And how many have you already posted? I'll gladly post them on my site.

 

[CompusMentus]

How many stories have you already written down, all 60? And how many have you already posted? I'll gladly post them on my site.

You've got a PM.

Compus

 

[djlunacee]

How many stories have you already written down, all 60? And how many have you already posted? I'll gladly post them on my site.

Despite the efforts of the undeniably insane, something good may actually come out of this thread, BRAVO.

 

[dafydd]

Despite the efforts of the undeniably insane, something good may actually come out of this thread, BRAVO.

I'll second that.

 

[Bell]

All credit goes to Compus for starting with writing down these stories.

 

[DGM]

You are not up to speed on this. No pun intended The video explains it is using a 747 simulator and claims it is applicable to a 767. That claim is found in the video. In a prior post, I outlined that part of the video where the 747/767 claim of similarity for purposes of simulation is made:

2--0:22-0:37-- Flight simulation needed. Claims using Boeing 747 simulation to detail Boeing 767 flight is valid.

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6185718&postcount=2931


In other words, the video data disagrees with your claim of "complete difference." If you want to pursue that point, perhaps you could post up some data to rely on. That is your choice. I am relying on the content of the video and the claim of adequate similarity that the video contains.

For your information, you might like to take a look at the following posts that pertain to the simulation of the last 4min40sec of alleged Flight 175, based on the content of the alleged flight path data.

The starting point is:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6182167&postcount=2892

The above is Bill Smith's post, initiating discussion of the video and providing the link.

My main posts on the subject, including earlier segments of the video can be found at:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6183726&postcount=2910
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6185718&postcount=2931
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6192341&postcount=2995
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6216507&postcount=3214

all the best

Jammonius:
I have been trying to duplicate these results on my flight simulator software (MS flight pro). Do you happen to know how much fuel he had the plane configured with? I can only get similar results with max load (360,000 lbs).

As you know this is unrealistic. Let me know.

If this is true, I would ask him to attempt a normal landing and see if he survives (he won't).

Would this mean a 747 is incapable of landing?


ETA: I suppose I should also ask Bill Smith.

 

[TJM]

Despite the efforts of the undeniably insane, something good may actually come out of this thread, BRAVO.

Thirded.

Isn't it lovely jammonius? In a way, you can take as much credit as anyone in helping to create a site that's dedicated to memories of the victims, the victims you disrespect at every opportunity because they cut to the heart of your delusion, the victims who aren't going to be hand waved away, no matter how desperately you'd like to think you can.

 

[X]

Wait...

Jammonius posted a video which uses a 747 simulator to replicate the flight of a 767.
Because the person who made the video claims (in the video) that a 747 is similar to a 767, Jammonius takes this as being correct.
The skeptics here, understandably wary of the claim that a 747 is the same as a 767, ask for proof that the two are sufficiently similar for the flight simulation to be accurate.

Jammonius responds by saying that the video claims the 747 and 767 are the same, and anyone who object has to provide the evidence for their objetction.

WTF?

Burden of proof, ever hear of it?
Also: bare assertion.


Why is Jammonius so willing to accept such an absurd claim, while demanding massive amounts of evidence from those who make much more logical claims?

Is it because the video supports his delusion?


Pssst... Jammo...
Your bias is showing...

 

[TJM]

Jammonius responds by saying that the video claims the 747 and 767 are the same, and anyone who object has to provide the evidence for their objetction.

In his world, they're the same because neither crashed into a building on 9/11 so specifications are irrelevant.

Yes, our jammy is special like that.