Who started both World Wars?

[MG1962]

How can one man be so ignorant about history? You would think that it would take a committee.I live in Belgium,I have Dutch friends,all quite intelligent.911 is an exception and I wouldn't want members here to judge the Nederlanders by our resident Nazi's vile opinions.

Please dont feel the need to apologise. The world knows the real value of the Dutch people, even if the odd one may not be quiet up to standard

 

[ddt]

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mönchengladbach

Lying for Hitler again, I see. The sentence you highlighted translates as "it was the first British bombing attack at a German city."

The sentence after that reads: "The attack, consisting of 37 airplanes, was directed at the road and rail networks in MG."

That closes it. I'll add to the ignorance list that you didn't know MG lies near Venlo. That's what? 4th grade geography?

ETA: I found an interesting discussion on a German forum on the MG attack. All statements are sourced. The OP there mentions that MG was the HQ of 6th Army, and contained an Army Corps. (parts of) 6 Infantry Divisions had to move through MG.

 

[dudalb]

I see, you need sarcasm smilies otherwise you don't note it.

I can't help it if you don't see the internal contradiction.


I don't read IHR garbage.

I suggest you start with giving actual numbers. How many percent of the Bolsheviks were Jews?


It's abundantly clear that you don't know anything about WW1 or WW2 beyond that which you post. So in your case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

You are giving him too much credit. He does not seem to know much history , period.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Elzas????
Give it up, Even Germans use "Alsace" nowdays.

For the umptieth time, no they don't, as ddt can confirm.

Alsace went back and forth between The Holy Roman Empire and France like a tennis ball in the 1600's. In the early 1700's France finally got a firm hold of it.
WHat our investigator seems to be peddling is good old fashioned Pan Germanism...which the vast majority of Germans have given up as nonsense.

Wrong, not even Hitler cared about the return of these lands. I am a European, remember. I am not interested in internal divisions. I am just concerned with kicking the Anglos out of Europe and marry the sweet Russian bride.

Yeah, his opinions are REALLY popular with his fellow Netherlanders.

I am just an early bird with an internet connection for whom the time is working in his adantage. Wait until multiculturalism begins to bite. It worked for me, it will work for the lesser IQ's also if there is someone willing to explain it to them.

And I want to see his justification for the 1939 takeover of the rump state of Czechslovakia, which NEVER belonged to Germany or had a lot of German Speakers in it.

Schultze-Rhonhof and I already admitted that there is no excuse.
We don't want make a mother Theresa out of Dolfie, now do we?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Lying for Hitler again, I see. The sentence you highlighted translates as "it was the first British bombing attack at a German city."

The sentence after that reads: "The attack, consisting of 37 airplanes, was directed at the road and rail networks in MG."

That closes it. I'll add to the ignorance list that you didn't know MG lies near Venlo. That's what? 4th grade geography?

My German bookkeeper who handles my German income lives there, you silly. How on earth can you conclude that I do not know where MG is?

ddt is hell bend on finding petit faits that should prove that I... yes what actually? It shows that ddt is getting a little angy!

It has been difficult weeks for ddt since his political traitor friends got a beating in the national election and in the subsequent government formation. That's why our friend is a little tense.

You don't mind if I stay on topic while unravelling the mysteries of the 20th century while you maintain your daft little list.

Loosert.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So, read all forty volumes of the Hearings yet? Found that smoking gun?

 

[Arisia]

This is page 50 in this thread, a nice opportunity to make a interim summary of the conclusions reached so far.

Ninny/11 is wrong, oh so wrong.

About everything.

But we won't hold that against any other Nederlanders we meet.

 

[ddt]

My German bookkeeper who handles my German income lives there, you silly. How on earth can you conclude that I do not know where MG is?

Because you wrote: "You find that trustworthy, 'roads' in Moenchen-Gladbach?" That statement denies the road and rail network around MG would be an interesting target.

Either you play dumb or you are dumb. I think I'm being quite polite by assuming the latter.

 

[ddt]

Schultze-Rhonhof and I already admitted that there is no excuse.
We don't want make a mother Theresa out of Dolfie, now do we?

But hey, it was just a "mistake". Completely by accident, Hitler ordered the Czech rump state to be annexed. But anyone should trust Hitler next time when he says that this is really his last demand, really really.

Of course, such cognitive dissonance only works if you belong to the species of Hitler fans or its subspecies of Holocaust deniers, scientifically known as "homo stultissimus mentiens".

 

[aggle-rithm]

- In 1917, after a Jewish led coup d'état and assasination of the czar, the most murderous regime in the history of mankind was established in Russia.

I'm still a little confused about why the Jews -- whose cultural work-ethic allows them to make out like bandits in the capitalist system -- would want to destroy that system by establishing a regime that does away with individual wealth and divides all the resources equally among the people.

Oh, and can you name some of the Jews who led the coup d'état, and if so, explain why it is relevant that they were Jewish?

 

[MG1962]

The closest we have gotten is Moe Larry and Curly

 

[Corsair 115]

Nein/11 confabulator's Ignorance List

This list compiles all major issues coming up in this discussion of which the OP turned out to be ignorant...

World War Two:
- Polish basic history, e.g., Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Polish Partitions
- Ethnic make-up of Poland inter-war
- Polish-Russian war and Peace of Riga
- The General-Government
- Generalplan Ost, both the plans and the executed mass expulsions
- Czech basic history
- Oderberg & Teschen were in Czechoslovakia, and had never been German
- Sudetenland never was part of Germany
- Nazi occupation of the Czech rump state in March 1939
- Operation Tannenbaum (invasion plans of Switzerland)
- British Press were neither controlled by nor sympathetic to the Jews
- ca. 6 million Poles murdered by the Germans, roughly half of them not Jewish
- Vichy France occupied in November 1942
- Sonderweg theory
- No understanding of US-Japanese relations 1907-1941

I'm a little disappointed that the discussion of the Strategic Bomber Offensive was left off the list...

- Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor was about to happen but let it happen anyway.

Do you think that by constantly repeating the above falsehood it'll somehow become true? It was false before and it's still false. Not only does the claim fail on facts, it fails on logic too.

You find that trustworthy, 'roads' in Moenchen-Gladbach?

But I agree, it is just a first exercise, it is not yet Dresden. But it is on a city, not on a weapons factory or similar targets.

Are you trying to suggest that roads, railways, and bridges are not valid military targets?

 

[Aitch]

Do you think that by constantly repeating the above falsehood it'll somehow become true? It was false before and it's still false. Not only does the claim fail on facts, it fails on logic too.

An attempt at his hero's Big Lie^WP technique?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No problem at all sir.

http://www.epibreren.com/ww2/raf/77_squadron.html

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mönchengladbach


Getting anywhere with your London bombing of civilian targets, 3 days before Fatty came to power?

Thanks. So you confirm that the target was transport infrastructure and not a city? OK.

On the other, I owe you an apology: I was wrong. When I learned that Chamberlain was forced out on the 10th I recalled that the London Blitz started on the 7th. That's what I was referring to. Of course my mistake was that the Blitz ran from September to May, not the other way round. So I got the months reversed and I apologise.

It just goes to show what can happen if you don't check your facts.

 

[Belz...]

This is page 50 in this thread, a nice opportunity to make a interim summary of the conclusions reached so far.

And you could've stopped there.

My conclusion: 9/11 investigator is a bigot, and his entire argument is based around his ethnical and cultural biases.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Belz ignored my argument:

It does not matter whether Jews/Palestinians, Christians/Muslims everywhere (take Lebanon), the 3 muslim factions in Iraq, Turks/Kurds, Serbs/Croats/Albanians, Hutu's/Tutsi's, Germans/Poles, etc., etc., they compete, fight and in the end separate.

and came up with a weak counter 'argument':

French/English Canadians ?

(it turned out that the minority French Canadians did want to separate 30 years ago, proving my point that even wealthy white christian people prefer not to live together if they are of different ethnicity, illustrating why I think that the US is a powder keg waiting to explode; Kathrina/New Orleans was a perfect example of what you can expect if things turn nasty in the US during economic hardship; and the future is going to be one big permanent hardship as the world is running out of resources finalizing any globalization designs).

This 3 minute video I found on dutch mainstream journal Elsevier exactly proves my point and is the reason why I am writing here:

How to Destroy Nations with Love and Tolerance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isUSnmOGg08

 

[9/11-investigator]

And you could've stopped there.

My conclusion: 9/11 investigator is a bigot, and his entire argument is based around his ethnical and cultural biases.

Guilty as charged, if you change 'biases' with 'preferences'.

Almost there. What remains to be investigated is why Hitler invaded Russia and what exactly happened around Pearl Harbor. Then you're rid of me as far as this thread is concerned.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Thanks. So you confirm that the target was transport infrastructure and not a city? OK.

On the other, I owe you an apology: I was wrong. When I learned that Chamberlain was forced out on the 10th I recalled that the London Blitz started on the 7th. That's what I was referring to. Of course my mistake was that the Blitz ran from September to May, not the other way round. So I got the months reversed and I apologise.

It just goes to show what can happen if you don't check your facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blitz

I don't need your apology, just interesting arguments backed-up by trustworthy links. Hey, you are even allowed to call me a Nazi without fear or reprisals. As long as you deliver interesting (counter) arguments.

 

[Tolls]

I notice 911 skipped Czechoslovakia off his list of reasons for the war...can't think why he seems to constantly avoid the fact that Hitler had form, and that was what the allies decisions throughout 1939 were based on.

His bit on Chamberlain is interesting, since Chamberlain knew a war was coming, he wanted to put it off until we had rearmed. Britain and France could outpace Germany in rearming (and were in 1939), but started later. The threat to Poland (expecially after the events of March 1939) meant he felt he could no longer delay.

He wasn't avoiding war, he was avoiding war before we were ready.

 

[TSR]

I don't need your apology, just interesting arguments backed-up by trustworthy links.

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But, then, you think that David Irving and Mark Weber, proven liars both, are "trustworthy" so you must be using that word in a way that no one else does.
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