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Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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kitakaze said:
Apology, check this out. Sweaty suffers from a pronounced case of Ballzheimer's. He often forgets things he has written in the past and screws himself up with contradictions, like when he said CC Bob had hand extensions inside the suit Phil made and got caught lying. Sweaty refused to give an answer about Patty's fingers bending. He said he already answered it. I don't think Sweaty has ever effectively ruled out contact with the leg causing the bending. I don't think Sweaty even remembers himself. If Sweaty had dealt with it effectively, he could answer the question right now instead of refusing to. He does that a lot. If you ask Sweaty now why the finger bending could not be from contact with the leg or a glove with joints, he can't answer because he doesn't know. The more you ask him, the more he will dance around it and refuse to answer. It's really quite funny to watch.
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Okay, I do see where Sweaty is coming from, and what the difference is between "finger-bending" and "finger-straightening" from his quoted post, and it was very nice of him to provide a link.

Thank you, Sweaty, for providing a link. I do appreciate it, it was very civil of you.

That being said, I'd have to review the video of the blob-squatch YET AGAIN because as far as I can remember, its fingers were in the same half-curled position as the doll-hand. I also have to agree, Kitakaze, that if the fingers start out straight and appear to bend later, the bending could easily be caused by rubber fingers brushing against the leg of the suit.

I have to say, the most compelling argument that I've found against Bigfoot's existence is its apparent lack of impact on the ecosystem. No hair, no droppings, no corpses, no drop in the animal population, no raided crops, no Bigfoot getting run over by a semi---this is what makes me think that Bigfoot's existence is unlikely, not the PGF's veracity or lack thereof. I realize that your film is more about Bigfootery than actually proving or disproving Bigfoot's existence, but I hope you will find an expert to address this in your film, kitakaze.

Sweaty, I would like to ask you, why are you so passionate about Bigfoot? Did you see one? Do you run a Bigfoot Club or something? Why do you care so much?

If I were to read about proof that Bigfoot really existed, such as a body that's verified by experts to be a new genus of American Hominid never seen before, I would shrug and say, "Huh. Welp, guess I was wrong. Learn something new every day," and turn to the funny pages. I might be curious enough to ask how Bigfoot managed to live without impacting the ecosystem, which is my main reason for believing it doesn't exist. For instance, "How did it manage to be so large without leaving any excrement behind? Did it carry around a plastic bag and a scoop?" and questions like that. I certainly wouldn't be transfixed with horror that it turned out that I was wrong, yet I suspect that you would be paralyzed with joy if it turned out that Bigfoot did exist. Why? What difference would Bigfoot's existence make to you, other than proving a handful of anonymous internet people that they were wrong? I'm just curious.
 
Apology said:
Okay, I do see where Sweaty is coming from, and what the difference is between "finger-bending" and "finger-straightening" from his quoted post, and it was very nice of him to provide a link.

Thank you, Sweaty, for providing a link. I do appreciate it, it was very civil of you.
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Thanks, Apology....:)....and, you're welcome!

I'm glad the post helped, and you have a better understanding of the finger-bending issue.



That being said, I'd have to review the video of the blob-squatch YET AGAIN because as far as I can remember, its fingers were in the same half-curled position as the doll-hand.
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Could you please elaborate on that statement, a little?



I also have to agree, Kitakaze, that if the fingers start out straight and appear to bend later, the bending could easily be caused by rubber fingers brushing against the leg of the suit.
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That's not really the case....because of how much wider Patty's upper-torso is, than her lower-half. Her hand is several inches away from the side of her leg...


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It doesn't look like there's any way that her fingers, being mostly straight, are going to catch on the side of her thigh.



Sweaty, I would like to ask you, why are you so passionate about Bigfoot? Did you see one? Do you run a Bigfoot Club or something? Why do you care so much?

If I were to read about proof that Bigfoot really existed, such as a body that's verified by experts to be a new genus of American Hominid never seen before, I would shrug and say, "Huh. Welp, guess I was wrong. Learn something new every day," and turn to the funny pages. I might be curious enough to ask how Bigfoot managed to live without impacting the ecosystem, which is my main reason for believing it doesn't exist. For instance, "How did it manage to be so large without leaving any excrement behind? Did it carry around a plastic bag and a scoop?" and questions like that. I certainly wouldn't be transfixed with horror that it turned out that I was wrong, yet I suspect that you would be paralyzed with joy if it turned out that Bigfoot did exist. Why? What difference would Bigfoot's existence make to you, other than proving a handful of anonymous internet people that they were wrong? I'm just curious.
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I can respond to the rest of your post tomorrow, Apology. :)
 
SweatyYeti said:
It doesn't look like there's any way that her fingers, being mostly straight, are going to catch on the side of her thigh.
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[SweatyYeti] You're using the blurriest images of Patty available! [/SweatyYeti] LOL

1) Patty's arm is swinging forward there.

2) When we see Patty's hand at other points, it's bent inward, not bone straight.

3) Patty's arms are crazy long but she can't brush her own legs while walking?
 
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SweatyYeti said:
Thanks, Apology....:)....and, you're welcome!
Could you please elaborate on that statement, a little?
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Simply that, as I recall, Patty's fingers were not perfectly straight in the film, but rather, partially curled, much like the doll's in Spektator's video. I'd have to watch a nice, clear clip of it again.

Frankly, Sweaty, the film is so blurry and out-of-focus when it's enlarged, it's hard to make out any details at all.

Please do get back to me about why Bigfoot means so much to you when you get a chance.
 
kitakaze said:
Patty's fingers are never bone straight and she could easily brush her fingers against her leg. On top of that, as Tube showed, the hand can cause the bending as well. If the fingers bend, you must pretend. Hooey. If the argument doesn't fit, you must quit.

Not mostly straight...

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/89614996f85077c1f.jpg[/qimg]

Nuh-uh...

http://hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com/patty_bc.jpg

:nope:

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Welp...

That's pretty much what I remembered, that Patty's hands are curved, like the doll in Spektator's films :o

Thanks for the pics, kitakaze!
 
I too am interested in hearing firsthand about Sweaty's seeming fanatical Bigfoot interest/obsession. As opposed to my own ongoing speculation that it's more about opposing the destruction of his childhood beliefs in 'big hairy monsters' than it is seeking actual Bigfoot truth. He's not been just 'defending the integrity' of the PGF, he's been trying to convince anyone that would listen (implicitly if not explicitly) that not only was BH not 'Patty', but that nobody was Patty because, well, that would **** UP EVERYTHING Bigfoot means to Sweaty. No?

<tightly closing eyes - pounding fists on table - screaming> SHE'S REAL SHE'S REAL SHE'S REAL SHE'S REAL SHE'S REAL SHE'S REAL...
 
kitakaze said:
1) Patty's arm is swinging forward there.

2) When we see Patty's hand at other points, it's bent inward, not bone straight.

3) Patty's arms are crazy long but she can't brush her own legs while walking?
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That's right...:)...


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I repeated two of the frames, in the sequence.


I can produce a more stabilized version of the gif later...(one of the repeating frames needs to be rotated, by 1 or 2 degrees)...but, for now, this one shows the large space, laterally...between the side of Patty's leg, and her arm/hand.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
That's right...:)...

this one shows the large space, laterally...between the side of Patty's leg, and her arm/hand.
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Hmmm. Isn't this exactly what you've been telling us would be an artifact of padding in a suit?

How does your assessment that Patty can't swipe her leg jibe with the "that ain't the top of a hip wader, it's her fingers brushing her thigh fur" idea?
 
The Shrike said:
Hmmm. Isn't this exactly what you've been telling us would be an artifact of padding in a suit?

How does your assessment that Patty can't swipe her leg jibe with the "that ain't the top of a hip wader,it's her fingers brushing her thigh fur" idea?
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I've never said, or thought, that.
 
say, could someone do me a favor and repost the pics of Patterson standing by the tree holding the PGF casts?
Thanks.
 
SweatyYeti said:
I've never said, or thought, that.
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I didn't imply that you did. Might be something to consider though, as the "thigh brushing" hypothesis is popular among PGF apologists looking for ways to explain the bizzare line across "patty's" thigh that seems to be right where the top of a hip wader might be.
 
The Shrike said:
I didn't imply that you did. Might be something to consider though, as the "thigh brushing" hypothesis is popular among PGF apologists looking for ways to explain the bizzare line across "patty's" thigh that seems to be right where the top of a hip wader might be.
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There isn't anything weird going on, with the 'line' on Patty's thigh....in this better-quality image, you can see that it's just a little ruffled hair...


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Also....I've shown this before, but Patty's hand passes by the leg at a point lower than where the "hip-wader line" is.
 
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One thing I have never understood is why Patty's face would be considered even remotely plausible. The rectangular cutout with the white skin and eyes showing through, it looks like a poor imitation of a proper suit. The only thing I can think of is that P&G never anticapated that the film would be blown up and looked at closely, and that pareidolia would take care of any obvious defects.
 
Here is a more stable, and enlarged, version of the 'walking away' gif...


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Apology wrote:
Welp...

That's pretty much what I remembered, that Patty's hands are curved, like the doll in Spektator's films
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Actually, Patty's fingers....in most frames where they're visible...are straight.....though they are angled, slightly, with respect to the palm...


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The fingers also appear mostly straight in Frame 72.....and, of course....in one Frame....they do curl...:)...


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merci. looks they are ready to be shoved in someone's face. Seriously, I appreciate your help. More on this later. In the meantime, maybe Sweaty can color on them.
 
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