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Homo Americanus.
I've seen German porn movies from the 60's, at some midnight movie events. We've got nothing that compares to it.

And do you realize the origin of the word "burger?"

IMO Americans have drifted more towards the "Spectacle" end of Aristotle's six elements of Drama when it comes to our taste in movies. However, IMO when it comes to television we tend more towards Thought, Diction and Melody. We aren't the only ones in the world nor the first, and there is nothing wrong with it, unless your a fan of Plot, Character and Theme (like me).
 
You are not very smart. Ddt posts a link that contradicts his own position. And then he doubts the veracity of my links! :D
I feel flattered at the idea I made you actually read something. Sure I know that the Czar hollowed out the independence of Poland. But also note that it was treated as a separate state until 1830/1.

That is true. They used this 'considerable army' to wage war against all their neighbours and taking territory from them.
As all its - often new - neighbours, it tried to take territory it thought was rightly theirs. The Brest-Litovsk peace, voided by Versailles, and the Russian civil war going on left a power vacuum in which all kind of competing groups tried to assert their new state. There were four short-lived Ukrainian states, IIRC three Latvian groups vying for control (one of which consisting of German troops left there), etc. You expect somehow they all set down at a table and solve who got, e.g., the Wilno district? :jaw-dropp

It simply means that before the industrial era the central power in any political entity was not powerful enough to exercise the level of control (read tax and conscription) modern states are able to do. Remember that the Dutch started the war of independence against Spain partly because of the introduction of the tiende penning, meaning a tax level of 10%. Nowdays that is half the value of VAT alone.
To enlighten you on your own country's history: the tiende penning was a VAT (or a sales tax). Conscription wasn't used before Napoleon. But most states were perfectly able to levy enough taxes to account for the state's needs. Some states, however (e.g., Spain in the 1570s) set their "needs" a bit too high for what the country could sustain.
 
You are telling nothing new here. Fact also is that Poland did not exist during the entire 19th century. And I don't really care if Poland exists or not, it is up to them. Poland was recreated after WW1 at the expensive of the losers of WW1: Germany and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918–1939)

And they simply took it back 21 years later. I am aware that en entity called Poland existed for many centuries, which had hugely varying dimensions through the centuries. But then it never was a unified national state (this is a post-Napoleonic invention) but a kingdom, where many ethnicities were losely 'unified' under one banner.
You didn't read your own link.

The Union of Lublin of 1569 established the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, a more closely unified federal state. The Union was largely run by the nobility, through the system of the central parliament and local assemblies, but led by elected kings.

The long-lasting sejm convened by Stanisław August in 1788 is known as the Great, or Four-Year Sejm. The sejm's landmark achievement was the passing of the May 3 Constitution, the first in modern Europe singular pronouncement of a supreme law of the state.
 
Obviously GZ does not go into specifics what this supposed 'neo-Nasty' agenda might be. It must be something horrible, that is for certain! GZ, the Anglo smearer pur sang, just wants to tie my agenda somehow with the H-word, that is all that there is to it. I already told you my political agenda, here it is again:
Okay.... this is going to be fun

- Gaullist objective of l'Europe des Patries, from Paris, via Berlin to Moscow
To what end? How? Which nation (or nations) is going to take the lead? And why would the other European nations willingly follow that lead?

- Abandon NATO, dissolve 'The West' and all it's post WW2 institutions. After the inevitable auto-destruction of the US, we might consider to recolonize some parts from the dying American carcass. If you are lucky. Maybe not.
ROFL.... you are seriously deluded. American influence will reduce, of that there is little doubt. But certainly not to the extend that you seem to wish for.

- In school it will be taught that the 20th century was essentially a Jewish century (via their Soviet, American and British proxies). The 21th century will be European dominated again, with the Chinese as the other pillar in the global power statics.
You're funny... European dominated? As it is the European Union is spectacularly unable to have a unified strategy on how to deal with situations outside Europe. I fail to see how any other setup will yield better results.
Besides, you're evidence concerning the 20th century being a Jewish century is wafer thin (some might even say non-existent).

- Zero 'immigration' (read colonization) from third world territories
That's a sure fire way to make absolutely certain that Europe will fail in the next 25 years.

- Abandon the Jewish imposed left/wing value system (Frankfurter Schule). Abandon egalitarianism, reintroduce gender roles and conservative family values, encoded in laws.
I'm sure that women are going to vote in considerable numbers for any party which has a program like this. Nah... who I am kidding. Such a program is doomed from the start.

Return of some form of aristocracy.
What are you on about? Aristocracy is alive and well in Europe. But I fail to see European citizens by and large accepting medieval style rulers any time soon.

- Accept the theory of Samuel Huntington as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Multipolar world along civilizational lines
It would only be a self0fulfilling prophecy if idiots like you were to come to power. Thankfully this isn't something we need to worry about too much.

- Return of religion. Will be my last blog. :D
Indeed things were soo much better when religion was rife.... oh wait.
 
All mighty interesting, the history of Poland and political agendas, now back on topic. Going to read the site of Schultze-Rhonhof from A..Z and keep you informed about my reading adventure. All German, sorry. Use google translator.

http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de/index.php

http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

What people see is the is the German invasion in Poland, not what happened before. The equivalent invasion of the USSR is usually ignored.

Doch schon das Bild darunter - von 1920 an - zeigt die schweren Menschenrechtsverletzungen an den 11 Millionen Menschen der nichtpolnischen Minderheiten im Vielvölkerstaat Polen. Die Drangsalierung der Millionen von Ukrainern, Deutschen und Weißrussen in Polen nimmt 1939 Formen an, dass schon sie allein ein Kriegsgrund für die Sowjetunion und Deutschland gegen Polen hätten sein können. . Zum Bild auf dieser zweitobersten Glasscheibe gehören außerdem der deutsch-polnische Streit um Danzig und um freie Verkehrsverbindungen durch den „polnischen Korridor“ ins damals vom Reich abgetrennte Ostpreußen und die noch offene sowjetische Rechnung für die Gebiete der Ukraine und Weißrusslands, die ihnen Polen 1920 abgenommen hatte.


Aus den Schichten tieferer Gläser schimmern noch die Demütigungen bis oben durch, die die Siegermächte 1920 den Deutschen, den Österreichern und den Ungarn durch „Versailles“ und die entsprechenden Verträge bereitet hatten, die Kriegsvorbereitungen der Briten ab 1906 gegen das kaiserliche Deutschland...

http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de/content/view/35/52/

Doch vor dem völligen Zusammenbruch der deutschen und österreichisch-ungarischen Fronten vermittelt der amerikanische Präsident Wilson mit einem 14-Punkte-Vorschlag einen Waffenstillstand mit für Deutschland harten, aber akzeptablen Bedingungen.


Es kommt zum Waffenstillstand und der Konferenz von Versailles, die in fataler Weise Geschichte schreiben wird. Die Konferenz leitet nun nicht mehr Wilson, dessen 14-Punkte-Vorschlag die deutsche und österreichisch-ungarische Seite verleitet hatte, ihre Truppen von den Fronten abzuziehen und in der Heimat aufzulösen. Die Konferenz leitet der französische Ministerpräsident Clemenceau. Dieser erkennt die 14 –Wilson-Punkte soweit sie Deutschlands Nachkriegsrechte sichern sollten, nicht mehr an, und er läßt die deutsche Konferenzdelegation nicht zu den Verhandlungen zu. So verhandeln Briten, Franzosen, Amerikaner, Belgier, Polen und weitere 22 Siegerstaaten geschlossen unter sich. Sie beschließen die Abtrennung deutscher Gebiete und die Geld- und Sachreparationen, die Deutschland an sie abtreten, zahlen oder leisten soll. Sie legen die nach Versailles genannte Nachkriegsordnung für Europa zu den alleinigen Lasten der Besiegten fest.


Am 7. Mai 1919 werden die von den 27 Siegerstaaten festgelegten Bedingungen erstmals der deutschen Delegation eröffnet. Clemenceau überreicht sie mit den Worten: „Die Stunde der Abrechnung ist da.“ Die Bitte der deutschen Delegation, den „Vertrag“, den sie nun unterschreiben soll, vorher zu verhandeln, wird abgelehnt.

Here is the outrageous content of the Versailles 'treaty':

Um dem Ausmaß ihrer Forderungen den Anschein von Berechtigung zu geben, versteigen sich die Sieger dazu, Deutschland und seinen Verbündeten die Alleinschuld am Ersten Weltkriegs zuzuschreiben. Der Vertrag verlangt von Deutschland eine große Zahl von Land- und Bevölkerungsabtretungen: Elsaß-Lothringen an Frankreich, die Provinzen Posen, fast ganz Westpreußen und das oberschlesische Industriegebiet an Polen, das Memelgebiet an den Völkerbund, das Hultschiner Ländchen an die Tschechoslowakei, Nordschleswig an Dänemark, das Gebiet um die zwei Städte Eupen und Malmedy an Belgien und Danzig mit dem Umland als Freistaat an den Völkerbund. Der Vertrag stellt das Saargebiet für 15 Jahre unter Frankreichs Herrschaft. Er verbietet außerdem den Anschluß Rest-Österreichs an Deutschland, den die neue Wiener Nationalversammlung gleich nach dem Krieg gefordert hatte. Mehr als die Landverluste schmerzen die erzwungenen Bevölkerungsabtretungen. Die Ausgliederung von 7 Millionen Menschen aus dem Deutschen Reich und die Grenzen neuer Staaten trennen Millionen von Familien. Mit dem Vertrag verliert Deutschland seine Kolonien, zumeist an England. Die Streitkräfte werden auf 100.000 Mann im Heer und 15.000 in der Marine reduziert. Das Deutsche Reich muß den größten Teil der Handelsflotte und der Goldreserven an die Sieger übergeben, dazu einen Großteil seiner jährlichen Eisenerz- und Kohleförderung, Unmengen von Nutzvieh und Landwirtschaftsmaschinen, 150.000 Eisenbahnwaggons und viele tausend Lokomotiven und Lastkraftwagen. Das gesamte private Auslandsvermögen. und unzählige Industriepatente werden konfisziert. Die Geldzahlungen sind exorbitant und über 70 Jahre zu bezahlen. Deutschland wird sie, wie sich später zeigt, nie in voller Höhe zahlen können.

Hitler was right when he spoke of the treason of Versailles. Germany agreed to the Wilson plan, lay dow the weapons and next were *** by the Allies. Compare that behavior with this:

Man weiß noch zu gut wie man nach dem Krieg von 1870-71 selbst mit Frankreich umgegangen war. Frankreich, das den Krieg von 1870 verursacht und verloren hatte, musste damals zwar das überwiegend deutschsprachige Elsaß-Lothringen abtreten und 4 Milliarden Mark bezahlen, doch es behielt seine Armee, seine Flotte, die Kolonien und die Goldreserven.

No wonder that the Nazis were seen as the liberators from the Allied predators:

Mit den drei äußerst populären Versprechen, die von Deutschland abgetrennten Deutschen „heim ins Reich“ zu holen, die „Fesseln von Versailles zu sprengen“ und die Arbeitslosig-keit zu überwinden, schaffen die Nationalsozialisten 1933 ihren Wahlsieg und ihre so genannte Machtergreifung.

Today, even mainstream historians admit that 'Hitler was born in Versailles'.

Schultze-Rhonhof admits that Hitler made mistakes:

Im März 1939 zerfällt die Tschechoslowakei in drei getrennte Staaten. Einem davon, der Rest-Tschechei, zwingt Hitler ein Protektorat auf. Er läßt das Land von deutschem Militär und Polizei besetzen. Die Tschechen sind zwar bis 1918 über 900 Jahre Angehörige des Deutschen Reichs gewesen, aber sie sind keine Deutschen, die „heim ins Reich“ zu holen waren. Hitler hat hier zum ersten Mal ein fremdes Volk unterworfen und damit den bisher geraden Weg seiner legitimen deutschen Außenpolitik verlassen. Nun hat alle Welt einen einsehbaren Grund, ihm weitere Expansions- und Kriegsabsichten zu unterstellen.

Poland... not even the Weimar governments agreed with the gains that Poland had made at the expense of Germany.

Die Welt ist über Hitlers Tschechei-Protektorat empört, und Polen ist erzürnt, daß es leer ausgegangen ist. In diese Zeit fällt Hitlers vierter Versuch, mit Polen über Danzig zu verhandeln. Polen aber nutzt die Empörung der Engländer über Hitler, wird in London wegen eines Beistandspaktes vorstellig, der ihm auch zugesichert wird, ruft 330.000 Reservisten zu den Waffen und läßt Kampfverbände in Richtung Danzig aufmarschieren. Hitler, der bisher auf eine Verständigungslösung mit den Polen hingearbeitet hat, ist von diesen kriegerischen Drohgebärden Polens überrascht. Er kündigt den Freundschaftsvertrag von 1934, den er nun von den Polen als gebrochen ansieht, und gibt dem Oberkommando der Wehrmacht am 3. April 1939 die Weisung, einen Angriff gegen Polen vorzubereiten, und zwar so, daß er ab dem 1. September begonnen werden kann.

To be continued...
 
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Posting large blocks of German language quotes on an English speakng website. That's a brilliant tactic........
 
All mighty interesting, the history of Poland and political agendas, now back on topic. Going to read the site of Schultze-Rhonhof from A..Z and keep you informed about my reading adventure. All German, sorry. Use google translator.

Please dont bother

What people see is the is the German invasion in Poland, not what happened before. The equivalent invasion of the USSR is usually ignored.

According to who? you have demonstrated such a vacuum of historical knowledge you wouldn't know what we are thinking

Here is the outrageous content of the Versailles 'treaty':

Here is a link to to the outrageous treaty Germany made Russia sign at the same time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk#Terms_of_the_peace_treaty

But perhaps you should educate yourself on the original treaty of Versailles signed in 1871


Hitler was right when he spoke of the treason of Versailles. Germany agreed to the Wilson plan, lay dow the weapons and next were *** by the Allies. Compare that behavior with this:

Exactly the same reaction the French had when the Germans made them sign in 1871


No wonder that the Nazis were seen as the liberators from the Allied predators:

By who - not even the German people held the Nazis in that high a regard. In fact across Bavaria and Berlin he was considered quiet the joke. Seems Berliners are a good judge of character


Today, even mainstream historians admit that 'Hitler was born in Versailles'.

No they dont - his disenfranchising by the communists is considered the birth of his extended right wing radicalism

Schultze-Rhonhof admits that Hitler made mistakes:

Thats big of him, I would rather he admit to his own mistakes
 
By who - not even the German people held the Nazis in that high a regard. In fact across Bavaria and Berlin he was considered quiet the joke. Seems Berliners are a good judge of character
IIRC in the July 1932 election the Nazi Party only received just over 37% of the vote (which was the most by any party in that election). In the next election in November of that year they received only around 33%. Losing 2 million votes after only one session of the Reichstag. Hitler had to ban other parties (starting with left-wing and communists) before he could gain a majority for the Nazis.
 
But perhaps you should educate yourself on the original treaty of Versailles signed in 1871
Nitpick: the Treaty of Frankfurt.

Exactly the same reaction the French had when the Germans made them sign in 1871
Except that the French rolled up their sleeves, worked hard and paid the imposed indemnity within a few years. Oh, and all the while the Germans occupied several French cities as a guarantee. By comparison, the French only occupied the Rhineland after the Germans failed to pay the indemnities.
 
IIRC in the July 1932 election the Nazi Party only received just over 37% of the vote (which was the most by any party in that election). In the next election in November of that year they received only around 33%. Losing 2 million votes after only one session of the Reichstag. Hitler had to ban other parties (starting with left-wing and communists) before he could gain a majority for the Nazis.

Indeed. After the Reichstag fire, he arrested all communist and a dozen socialist MPs, arm-twisted the Catholic Zentrum party and posted a regiment of SA in the hall where parliament assembled to get his Enabling Act through.
 
By who - not even the German people held the Nazis in that high a regard. In fact across Bavaria and Berlin he was considered quiet the joke. Seems Berliners are a good judge of character

German immigrants in America -- of which my great-grandfather was one -- were greatly saddened by what was going on in Germany. Being free of the constant bombardment of Nazi propaganda, they had a clearer prespective about what was happening there.
 
Interesting, never heard of that one before.

Of course. Your command of history leaves much to be desired.

As was to be expected you guys shoot yourself in the foot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_directives



From this formulation it becomes obvious that Germany was NOT looking for war. They wanted Danzig back and that was all. They were however preparing for eventualities.

You guys are really Clouseau's every now and then. But don't worry, I am here to help you.

Even if you take the "eventuality" talk seriously (which would require you to ignore that the orders were a direct response to Chamerlain's guarantee of Polish sovereignty), you still must ask yourself if it is reasonable to invade another country with overwhelming force, killing thousands of people, just because the other nation has NOT YET caved into your demands.

What was the hurry? Why did it have to be done before September 1? What was going to happen to Germany if Poland didn't give in?
 
Here is the outrageous content of the Versailles 'treaty':

Would you stop harping on the Versailles treaty? Many people agree that it was unreasonable, and that it put undo hardship on Germany that may very well have pushed the people into a war mentality.

That's one reason why things were handled very differently after WWII.
 
Posting large blocks of German language quotes on an English speakng website. That's a brilliant tactic........

It reminds me of a segment from Peter Schikele's "Jekyll and Hyde Tour" where he reads to the audience a quote from Beethoven, then chuckles to himself for a few seconds, then, when the audience doesn't respond, says in a disgusted voice: "I guess you want to hear the English translation."
 
Posting large blocks of German language quotes on an English speakng website. That's a brilliant tactic........

I suppose that would seem like a good idea to a person with a lofty intellect like 911's.
 
Doesn't matter,no bugger is going to read it.

I wouldn't say that. I think 20 years from now, on whatever medium does the job of forums then, there's going to be some far-right extremist spamming skeptic sites, denying holocaust, and pointing to 9/11's 'blog' as a source. Others will link to ancient wikipedia articles that show what fantasy it is, but these will be countered by one-liners like "Wikipedia was a Jewish plot" and "Wikipedia is full of propaganda by stupid Americans, whose 'superpower' will fall any day, now."
 
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