Canadians:Take this guy's money.

[triforcharity]

Not to even mention the fact that NIST clearly states that a portion of the N face curtain wall well at essentially FFA.

Oh, and 7WTC was not the width and length of a football field. It was longer than a football field by 30 feet, and the width was 140 ft. wide. He almost doubled the sq. footage of the building.

This guy is an idiot.

 

[Furcifer]

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't NIST say that WTC7 fell due to a combination of the structural damage caused by the debris from WTC1 falling on it PLUS the fires? He's saying it's only the fires in that. He needs to revise it again.

I imagine Mr. Fullerton will have to revise his contest several times in the near future. He's running an international contest and as far as I can tell he's subject to the rules of running a contest as they apply in every country around the World. He's probably going to want to limit it to Canadian residents only. And even then he's going to have to exclude Quebec, because I don't see the rules in French anywhere.
He may want to contact the Competition Bureau and see how the Competition Act applies to his contest before they contact him. They offer a fee based service to assist him in operating his contest properly. He may or may not be exempt from filing a notice and paying duties to the Regie. Sometimes the winner has to pay the duties to the government and sometimes it's the contest holder.

edit: for the record I've been inconvenienced already trying to win this contest.

 

[cmatrix]

That is agreed...no doubt. Beyond that, however, is his intentional faud. In his mind, and publicly stated by the proprieter of the challenge, is that the laws of physics were broken. Hence, he is asking people to spend their time working ona problem, a challenge, that according to he himself, cannot be won...that is fraud.

TAM

So the $1,000,000 JREF psychic challenge is also a fraud?
ROFL

 

[cmatrix]

Not to even mention the fact that NIST clearly states that a portion of the N face curtain wall well at essentially FFA.

Oh, and 7WTC was not the width and length of a football field. It was longer than a football field by 30 feet, and the width was 140 ft. wide. He almost doubled the sq. footage of the building.

This guy is an idiot.

Then NIST are idiots as well

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf p.6

Maybe the idiot is elsewhere.
ROFL

 

[excaza]

best troll ever

 

[fitzgibbon]

Not

 

[cmatrix]

I see cmatrix has revised the contest webpage, reproduced here:



Couldn't fined a cached version of the old requirements.

Wow I don't remember it being open to some of the best universities out there: Harvard, MIT, Yale, Oxford, Stanford, Columbia, Cornell and Princeton. These schools have some of the best engineers and physicists in the world. A prof there should surely be able to win this challenge. A lot of people have told me JREFies are delusional cowardly blowhards. I don't believe that for a second. I'm sure they can work together to contact every professor there about this challenge. After all, if they didn't, they'd know it couldn't be won.

 

[Furcifer]

So the $1,000,000 JREF psychic challenge is also a fraud?
ROFL

No. The $1,000,000 is real and it is possible to win it as long as you prove your claim. The contest is specifically designed to be won.

 

[excaza]

I'm sure they can work together to contact every professor there about this challenge. After all, if they didn't, they'd know it couldn't be won.

Why should we do your work?

 

[TJM]

Wow I don't remember it being open to some of the best universities out there: Harvard, MIT, Yale, Oxford, Stanford, Columbia, Cornell and Princeton. These schools have some of the best engineers and physicists in the world. A prof there should surely be able to win this challenge. A lot of people have told me JREFies are delusional cowardly blowhards. I don't believe that for a second. I'm sure they can work together to contact every professor there about this challenge. After all, if they didn't, they'd know it couldn't be won.

We're also skeptics here, remember? For some of us, it would be nice if we had some proof of this $10,000 or in my case $5,000 prize, preferably held in an account by a neutral party. I consider this a joke and a waste of my time because I've seen truthers do similar things over the years and when they get their smug, ignorant noses rubbed in their failure they disappear without paying out so much as a penny. I'm sure more than a few professors share that belief.

ETA: Then there's also the matter of just who will determine what a winning entry is. You? Then I'd hardly call that a contest.

 

[triforcharity]

Then NIST are idiots as well

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf p.6

Maybe the idiot is elsewhere.
ROFL

No, the idiot is wording his stuff weird, and I read it incorrectly. The way he worded it, it makes it seem that he was saying it was as long and as wide as a football field. Mening, its width was also 100 yds.

The guy with this silly little contest is still an idiot. It's not anyone elses fault that he cannot understand the NIST report.

 

[excaza]

nvm

 

[cmatrix]

We're also skeptics here, remember? For some of us, it would be nice if we had some proof of this $10,000 or in my case $5,000 prize, preferably held in an account by a neutral party. I consider this a joke and a waste of my time because I've seen truthers do similar things over the years and when they get their smug, ignorant noses rubbed in their failure they disappear without paying out so much as a penny. I'm sure more than a few professors share that belief.

ETA: Then there's also the matter of just who will determine what a winning entry is. You? Then I'd hardly call that a contest.

There is a massive difference between true skepticism and pathological skepticism. The former doesn't involve unquestioningly believing in something (like that this contest is a fraud).

I'm sure the profs, not being morons, recognize that the law in Canada is the same as in the US in this respect. Such a challenge represents a binding legal contract. Failing to pay up would constitute fraud and result in jail time for the perpetrator. So are the JREFies going to contact the profs or are they as others have described, delusional cowardly blowhards?

 

[Furcifer]

The Competition Bureau got back to me and informed me they don't have the resources to pursue this complaint. Small potatoes essentially. Not enough complaints yet to warrant the time and money to investigate this contest.

Dammit, I already bought the steaks and beer

 

[Disbelief]

There is a massive difference between true skepticism and pathological skepticism. The former doesn't involve unquestioningly believing in something (like that this contest is a fraud).

I'm sure the profs, not being morons, recognize that the law in Canada is the same as in the US in this respect. Such a challenge represents a binding legal contract. Failing to pay up would constitute fraud and result in jail time for the perpetrator.

Why does it have to be some prof, as the contest is open to anyone. Since it was already answered in this thread, you should be paying up to the individual's who met the requirements.

So are the JREFies going to contact the profs or are they as others have described, delusional cowardly blowhards?

Once again, why would anyone from JREF bother contacting the profs for you? You are a coward for not contacting them, as it is your money that is (supposedly) on the line. You should be the one contacting them. So will you, or will you continue to be all words and no action like so many other CTists here?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I'm sure the profs, not being morons, recognize that the law in Canada is the same as in the US in this respect. Such a challenge represents a binding legal contract. Failing to pay up would constitute fraud and result in jail time for the perpetrator. So are the JREFies going to contact the profs or are they as others have described, delusional cowardly blowhards?

I got a better idea, instead of us contacting the profs, why don't you contact them yourself? Or are you scared that they'll just laugh at you for being an idiot into believing that 9/11 was some "black op. done by Gov. Agents"?

 

[Furcifer]

There is a massive difference between true skepticism and pathological skepticism. The former doesn't involve unquestioningly believing in something (like that this contest is a fraud).

I'm sure the profs, not being morons, recognize that the law in Canada is the same as in the US in this respect. Such a challenge represents a binding legal contract. Failing to pay up would constitute fraud and result in jail time for the perpetrator. So are the JREFies going to contact the profs or are they as others have described, delusional cowardly blowhards?

This contest is a fraud. It's just that nobody cares.

It's kinda like peeing on the side of the road

(I should note that I did not claim to have been a "victim" of this scam. If someone submitted an actual response to the challenge in the manner outlined they would be a "victim" of this fraud. That would be an entirely different matter. I'm not going to be a victim though, nor should anyone else.)

 

[TJM]

There is a massive difference between true skepticism and pathological skepticism. The former doesn't involve unquestioningly believing in something (like that this contest is a fraud).

I'm sure the profs, not being morons, recognize that the law in Canada is the same as in the US in this respect. Such a challenge represents a binding legal contract. Failing to pay up would constitute fraud and result in jail time for the perpetrator. So are the JREFies going to contact the profs or are they as others have described, delusional cowardly blowhards?

Nice dodge. I'll make it simple so even a truther understands:

Where is the money?

Who decides the win?

Go.

 

[DGM]

Personally I'm still waiting for him to show how NIST's explanation actually does defy the laws of physics. So far all I've seen is him blowing smoke.


Got physics?

 

[twinstead]

A problem I can see is that no peer-respected engineer or scientist has--or would--declare that the NIST report "violates the laws of physics", yet it is just that peer-respected respected engineer or scientist whom you would want to judge the contest.

Quite the dilemma.