Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")

[jammonius]

No, the real point here, jammonius, is your complete inability to admit even the smallest mistake. You apparently view yourself as infallible, making completely useless to discuss anything with you. You are wrong about virtually everything you have ever posted here, but you lack the ability to accept this, so you drone on with the same lies and distortions as ever, sometimes - even often - becoming completely vile and repugnant when you let your delusions intrude on bereaved people.

You do not know what you are talking about. I freely admit when I make mistakes; and, I do not freely admit when I have not made one. It is not a "mistake' to refer to the Directed Energy Directorate as the US DED. That is a simple matter of choice.

Others have placed emphasis on that issue for reasons of their own that are not clear. Indeed, one poster here can't seem to decide whether to use AFRL/rd or AFRL/de or some such.

Part of the reason is that the US DED has recently undergone an exercise in subterfuge both changing its designation and the description of its mission, as I have shown.

That is why I maintain this really is an item of importance and not merely a dust up about who is right and who is wrong about the name of the same entity that everyone is posting about.

Just a day or two ago, attention was called to a mistake I made that I had acknowledged:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188942&postcount=2968

There is nothing wrong with making mistakes. We all do it. In addition, it is to be recalled, I do not use mistakes as a form of "gotcha" either. Mistakes are made and are made by all of us.

move on

 

[DGM]

It is not a "mistake' to refer to the Directed Energy Directorate as the US DED. That is a simple matter of choice.

I live at the white house. My house is white. That's what I choose to call it.



PS: I saw you in your "ball thingy" video! Nice shirt.

 

[tsig]

We've been over that issue in other threads. The US Directed Energy Directorate has changed its name, lowered its profile, redefined its mission and otherwise added an additional layer of secrecy. Small wonder, that agency knows more than it is letting on.

How do you know that?

 

[tsig]

Nope, you haven't corrected yourself at all. You've contradicted yourself; and, worse than that, you've given a calculation that is in a useless format; namely, tons of tnt.

What is needed here, if DEW is to be assessed, is an energy calculation in joules of energy, not once, twice or thrice estimates of potential energy denominated in estimated tons of tnt.

Do better.

The energy stays the same regardless of units used.

 

[carlitos]

The energy stays the same regardless of units used.

It's worse than you think. The post he quoted had the energy already in joules.

 

[excaza]

There is nothing wrong with making mistakes. We all do it. In addition, it is to be recalled, I do not use mistakes as a form of "gotcha" either. Mistakes are made and are made by all of us.

That's funny.

But, posters, lurkers and victims family members, look at the chart. The chart says there were 51 passengers and 9 crew.

According to chart there were, therefore, a total of 60 passengers/crew.

What happened Compus? Who did you leave out?

The apparent error has been repeated over and over again by Compus beginning in post # 2563. Along with the repitition of the error, something else has been repeated over and over by Compus, right?

 

[tsig]

There is a real point here on the US DED, I think. This is not just a matter of semantics or of small error or a nit-pick.

The point here is that the US DED has been downgraded, on paper at least, in the last few years. The issue is, why has it been downgraded into more of a research organization? Previously, it was an active "Directorate," a designation that is consistent with actively deployed weaponry.

I think that is what is being hidden here, posters, lurkers and victims' family members.

I'm willing to spend more time on this issue precisely because it is larger than it appears. This issue is leading us into a consideration of the status of deployment of DEW.

That is an appropriate exercise for this thread, I think.

So, shall we consider:

What is the state of deployment of DEW in the arsenal of the USA, and/or in functional development stage at SAIC and ARA and their cohorts?

Since you don't know the state of deployment we can ignore anything you say about them.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

You do not know what you are talking about. I freely admit when I make mistakes; and, I do not freely admit when I have not made one. It is not a "mistake' to refer to the Directed Energy Directorate as the US DED. That is a simple matter of choice.

If it's not a mistake, then thread participants and lurkers won't be misled if they enter "US DED" into google then, will they jammonious?

have placed emphasis on that issue for reasons of their own that are not clear. Indeed, one poster here can't seem to decide whether to use AFRL/rd or AFRL/de or some such.

The Directed Energy Directorate used to have the office symbol AFRL/DE. About three years ago, the AF changed the office symbols of AFRL Directorates. They now all begin with an "R". AFRL/PR became AFRL/RZ. AFRL/ML became AFRL/RX, etc. Nothing changed other than the office symbols.

the reason is that the US DED has recently undergone an exercise in subterfuge both changing its designation and the description of its mission, as I have shown.

Sorry, you have not shown this. Evidence please.

why I maintain this really is an item of importance and not merely a dust up about who is right and who is wrong about the name of the same entity that everyone is posting about.

Important to you perhaps, but since you offer no evidence of your claim, I doubt it's important to others. I'm just trying to get you to use the right name and nomenclature for the organization.

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ETA: I admit I made a mistake when I used AFRL/DE instead of AFRL/RD.
See how simple it is, jammonious?

 

[fess]

There is a real point here on the US DED, I think. This is not just a matter of semantics or of small error or a nit-pick.

The point here is that the US DED has been downgraded, on paper at least, in the last few years. The issue is, why has it been downgraded into more of a research organization? Previously, it was an active "Directorate," a designation that is consistent with actively deployed weaponry.

Unless you post some type of proof to back up you assertions, all of the above, just like every other post you make, is a moot point.

I think that is what is being hidden here, posters, lurkers and victims' family members.

Stop appealing to people that don’t want to talk to you.

I'm willing to spend more time on this issue precisely because it is larger than it appears.

And your proof will be?

This issue is leading us into a consideration of the status of deployment of DEW.

That is an appropriate exercise for this thread, I think.

So, shall we consider:

What is the state of deployment of DEW in the arsenal of the USA, and/or in functional development stage at SAIC and ARA and their cohorts?

There never has been, before, or after 2001, a viable DEW weapon capable of destroying anything. The closest thing to a DEW weapon that has been developed is a non-lethal microwave based unit used for security. The last I knew, only one of these units were operational. The rest of them are still in developmental stage.

 

[fess]

quote=Jammonius
You do not know what you are talking about. I freely admit when I make mistakes; and, I do not freely admit when I have not made one.

That is total unadulterated BS!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Unless you post some type of proof to back up you assertions, all of the above, just like every other post you make, is a moot point.


Stop appealing to people that don’t want to talk to you.


And your proof will be?


There never has been, before, or after 2001, a viable DEW weapon capable of destroying anything. The closest thing to a DEW weapon that has been developed is a non-lethal microwave based unit used for security. The last I knew, only one of these units were operational. The rest of them are still in developmental stage.

If that's the one that's supposed tomake people feel too hot to riot fight or whatever it was in Afghanistan but it was withdrawn recently, I don't think it was deployed.

 

[Oystein]

Originally Posted by jammonius View Post
We've been over that issue in other threads. The US Directed Energy Directorate has changed its name, lowered its profile, redefined its mission and otherwise added an additional layer of secrecy. Small wonder, that agency knows more than it is letting on.

How do you know that?

Frankly, I hope they do. It goes without saying, really. For example, that agency presumably knows where they hide the Cognac that goes into the coffee on a secretary's birthday, but that't not on their homepage.

 

[dtugg]

I am surprised that jammy is still (presumably) alive after my father (SAIC employee and NWO operative (apparently)) figured out that it knew everything. jammy, if you're in hiding, well great job. I am impressed they haven't found you yet. If not, you are incredibly lucky that they have not targeted you yet. You better go underground unless you want this to be the end of it.

 

[jammonius]

I am surprised that jammy is still (presumably) alive after my father (SAIC employee and NWO operative (apparently)) figured out that it knew everything. jammy, if you're in hiding, well great job. I am impressed they haven't found you yet. If not, you are incredibly lucky that they have not targeted you yet. You better go underground unless you want this to be the end of it.

I'm present and accounted for. I take it your dad has declined my request for dialogue? Well, if that is the case, then let him know that I wish him well.

all the best

 

[dtugg]

I'm present and accounted for. I take it your dad has declined my request for dialogue? Well, if that is the case, then let him know that I wish him well.

all the best

He didn't see the point. I mean since you have now cracked the case, we all know what must happen. You don't think that the NWO just lets people who have solved their most infamous crime get away do you?

 

[jammonius]

He didn't see the point. I mean since you have now cracked the case, we all know what must happen. You don't think that the NWO just lets people who have solved their most infamous crime get away do you?

I will try one more time to help elevate the discussion from the place you want to center it to a place involving the exchange of ideas and of information between people who likely have differing perspectives on the MIC.

I'm not looking to make specific whodunnit claims. I have been clear that SAIC and ARA have certain capacities that are consistent with DEW and PSYOP warfare expertise. They are each pre-eminent members of the MIC. It might well be that your dad would enjoy give-and-take discussion with someone having my perspective, who knows?

It never hurts to ask, so that is what I am here doing.

If the answer is no, that is fine. I can accept that. However, there's no need to engage in ridicule and personal insult about the matter, is there?

 

[excaza]

I'm curious what you think you can 'give' without causing him to fire coffee out his nose.

 

[jammonius]

I'm curious what you think you can 'give' without causing him to fire coffee out his nose.

Well, Excaza, based on your posting style, I have no reason to doubt that expressions of proof that challenge the common storyline of 9/11 will continue to invariably cause you to "fire coffee out of [your] nose" but that is not a sufficient cause to assume the same would be true of Dtugg's dad.

After all, Excaza, some people are more reasonable than are others, you know...

Besides, I don't have a set agenda as to what would be discussed with Dtugg's dad. We'd first have to explore to find common ground. I think we could do that and then converse accordingly. The overall range and scope would, of course, center on Dtugg dad's SAIC experience.

 

[beachnut]

Well, Excaza, based on your posting style, I have no reason to doubt that expressions of proof that challenge the common storyline of 9/11 will continue to invariably cause you to "fire coffee out of [your] nose" but that is not a sufficient cause to assume the same would be true of Dtugg's dad.

After all, Excaza, some people are more reasonable than are others, you know...

How many more years will you spread lies and fail to understand 911. This post is the best evidence for idiotic claims against SAIC and ARA; nothing. Off topic tripe is your only evidence for your claims of fantasy.

 

[excaza]

Well, Excaza, based on your posting style, I have no reason to doubt that expressions of proof that challenge the common storyline of 9/11 will continue to invariably cause you to "fire coffee out of [your] nose" but that is not a sufficient cause to assume the same would be true of Dtugg's dad.

If you actually posted a logical, coherent argument that ran counter to the "common storyline" of 9/11, then yes, I would fire coffee out my nose.