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Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

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Sorry, I'm still working on how they can have ages if they don't exist.

Let me double check for accuracy: You are asking the above in a rhetorical fashion where you're really trying to say something other than the literal content, right? If so, what are you trying to say, please?

Surely, you grasp that there are any number of possibilities here, including that they are actual people who actually died. That is possible. However, where and how they died, if they did, has not ever been determined.

It is also possible the persons could be fictitious. Consider for instance, that one of them is, in fact, only represented by a stone image likeness, not even a photo of the person.

That, in and of itself, is vastly rich. It confirms that it simply doesn't take much to convince some of the truth of the common storyline of 9/11. A stone image will suffice to confirm the identity of a human being.

The foregoing is, in part, symbolic; and, in part forensic. There may actually be photographs of the 69 year old alleged passenger. The point, however, is that no such depiction was posted by Compus. Thus, posters here are required to infer a person from a stone image of one. I assume you'll allow as how what is said here is true, right?

And how one gets a seating chart for a non-existent plane.

Surely you jest. A seating chart is just that: A freakin' chart that could be made up by anyone for any purpose. That, in fact, is the whole point as to my having carefully explained, more than once, that there exists NO authenticated passenger manifest for either this or any other 9/11 flight. There exist made-up charts; but, there does not exist any publicly available, authenticated passenger manifests.

(BTW, I knew one of the people on AA11. Not well, and hadn't talked with him in over a decade, but it was a shock to see his name on the list of victims.)

If you are like most, you are not in a position to discuss the above in detail; however, please feel free to provide any additional information that you are comfortable in posting, if there is any.
 
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Uke2se

Assuming your request for "help" is legitimate, despite 9/11 world being one where "denial" is predominant, I will here try to help you understand.


Let's do it with a picture because, as you know, they are worth 1000words:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/flightsimvideo/flight175-pg76.jpg?t=1281014156[/qimg]

That picture tells us that there are 3 persons pictured and one stone image pictured whereby, because of age, the persons and the stone image probably could not have done a darn thing to thwart a supposed hijacking.

As "help" is not the same as spoon-feeding, I will here pause and ask that you confirm that you are comfortable in a) deducing who the three people and the one stone image are; and b) that it is proper to infer that because of age they probably could not have been expected to thwart a hijacking.

After you post on the foregoing, I will revert with more help and more discussion. As well, I will likely add to the picture/age correlation collection based on Compus' anticipated posting.

Ah, I see. You are going for the old twoofer canard where the people onboard the hijacked aircraft should have been able to take down the armed hijackers. Well, you see, in the real world, people tend to avoid danger. You'd be hard pressed to find someone willing to attack a group of criminals armed with knives and an alleged bomb on an aircraft, especially when the hijackers inform the passengers that they are turning the plane around to land, and that there'd be a peaceful solution to the hijacking - as in almost every single case of aircraft hijacking in the past.

There is an exception to this in the 9/11 hijackings: UA93. The passengers onboard this flight were informed by friends and relatives contacted through airphones and cell phones that two planes had been crashed into the WTC. The passengers of UA93 concluded that this was a suicide mission and that they had to do something to save their lives. They formed up, stormed the cockpit and overpowered the hijacker who piloted the plane, causing him to lose control and the plane to crash into a field in Pennsylvania. This shows that there was resistance from the passengers when it was perceived as needed.

What your assertion does is ultimately call the victims of these hijackings cowards. Of course, you attempt to use this as a way to make an argument from personal incredulity, but it's really just more vile lies from you, tarnishing the memory of the people that died that day. Shame on you, jammonius. I don't believe in karma, but just this once I really wished it existed.
 
I'm having trouble reading Jam's Twooferese, but I gathered that he completely missed my point, made a complete fool of himself (again) and admitted that he won't be answering hard questions because they might challenge his faith. Did I get that right?

Without even reading jammo's post: Yup, that pretty much sums it up :D
 
...The foregoing is, in part, symbolic; and, in part forensic. There may actually be photographs of the 69 year old alleged passenger. The point, however, is that no such depiction was posted by Compus. Thus, posters here are required to infer a person from a stone image of one. I assume you'll allow as how what is said here is true, right?

Okay, I get it now, so if there is no picture of the a person, they do not exist.

please explain these historical figures then:

Julius Caeser
Cleopatra
Christopher Colombus
Ramses
Achilles
Helen of Troy

We can start there. According to your logic, these are alleged Historical figures, since there are no photographs of these individuals.
 
you should really learn what you are talking about before making stupid claims.
try reading this:

http://www.renewnyc.com/plan_des_dev/130liberty/

Contained is all the information regarding the deconstruction of 130 liberty street, detailed reports, processes, plans, the whole kit and kaboodle.

It is folly, on your part, to declare, as you have done, that a single document contains "...all the information regarding the deconstruction of 130 Liberty Street..."

For instance, you do not mention any of the issues associated with fraud and corruption involving Galt Builders and, for matter, Bovis Leasing.

See, by way of a brief sample: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/BovisCit021508.pdf

The foregoing documents OSHA violations committed by Bovis arising out of the 2007 fatal fire that I briefly mentioned in my prior post.

I also mentioned the fact that the building was first repaired, which repairs were completed. It is a complete mystery as to how the building could go from a state of nearly complete repair to its present status of being worse than the Untouchable Caste. :boggled:

That mystery has not been adequately explained and is, instead, shrouded in secrecy and in obfuscation.

http://www.renewnyc.com/content/pdfs/130liberty/090513_Bovis_ EHSP.pdf

This document is the environmental, health and emergency plan for the project. Read it and learn.

Your claim here lacks specifics. What, in particular, are you seeking to call our attention to and for what purpose? Surely, you are sending us off on some wild-goose chase of asking us to read multi-page documents without at least indicating what we can expect to find, are you?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Have you just declared yourself right and me wrong? If so, why do you find it necessary to do that?
 
Have you just declared yourself right and me wrong? If so, why do you find it necessary to do that?

It is necessary because you have been shown to be wrong in such a way that ANY rational person can see. You can believe whatever you want, jammonius, and you may be right in other assorted non-9/11 debate endeavors you may be involved in, but about there being no planes on 9-11? We can comfortably and without hesitation declare you inconvertibility wrong.

You can't win 'em all jamm. Face it.
 
The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175

On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.

There were no survivors.


UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS

Peter Morgan Goodrich, 33, was a passenger on Flight 175. He lived in Sudbury, Massachusetts. The son of Sarah and Donald Goodrich of Williamstown, he left behind his wife, of 9 years, Rachel.

Peter had many interests. He was an avid Boston Red Sox fan, a keen chess player and enjoyed studying insects. Peter was also a talented college athlete, he was a six-time all-American in track and field, throwing the shot-put and hammer at Bates College in the 80's where, despite his dyslexia, he achieved a double major in math and physics.

He was also a protective boss. A manager of software product development at struggling Upspring Software, he was ordered to cut $200,000 from his budget. He eliminated his own job rather than break up his programming team. His selflessness was rewarded: when MKS, another software firm, acquired Upspring, the company rehired him.

Besides his wife and parents, he leaves his brother, D. Foster Hetherington, and sister-in-law, Janine Hetherington, of Brandon, Vt.; his sister and brother-in-law, Kimberly and John Trimarchi, of Adams; his nephew and niece, Ben and Sarah Trimarchi; his in-laws and brother-in-law, Jon, Linda and Jonathan Carr, of Guilford, Conn.; his grandfather, Peter F. Donavan, of Benington, Vt; and numerous aunts, uncles and cousins.

His wife said, "He was nice to everybody and everything".

A memorial stone was laid at Bates College in memory of Peter Goodrich.


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A memorial foundation was set up by Peter's parents, it's stated aims are:-


www.goodrichfoundation.org said:
The Peter M. Goodrich Memorial Foundation, established after Peter's death on board the second plane to hit the World Trade Towers on September 11, 2001, until recently worked primarily in the Pashtun provinces of Afghanistan supporting education and addressing the fundamental needs of fragile populations. In the United States the Foundation continues to work with private and public secondary schools and colleges to identify educational opportunities for student exchange.


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Source:- HERE HERE


Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.


Compus
 
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More evidence that there were planes used on 9/11

http://www.ntsb.gov/info/Flight_ Path _Study_UA175.pdf

Ignorance is bliss, eh Jammy?

Oh boy, Djlunacee,

You are not paying attention. That study you linked us to is well known and is, in fact, at the heart of the darn video we are currently assessing. It is the flight path study covering the last 4min40sec of the alleged flight of alleged Flight 175 that confirms, by its content, that the path that it demands occurred does not in the least bit conform to the pattern, path of flight or directionality seemingly depicted in some, perhaps, most, but not all of, the ALL43 videos.

We know, too, that with respect to flight data we have the unresolved conundrum: "...is this exercise or is this real world?..."

The data inputs may be a part of the exercise. We simply do not know. In any event, all that you can point to with respect to Flight 175 ends up being inconclusive and indicative of a false psyop.

As to the video that is based, in part, on actual use of the NTSB flight path data you linked us to, see post # 2995:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6192341&postcount=2995

sheesh :boggled:
 
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We know, too, that with respect to flight data we have the unresolved conundrum: "...is this exercise or is this real world?..."

The data inputs may be a part of the exercise. We simply do not know. In any event, all that you can point to with respect to Flight 175 ends up being inconclusive and indicative of a false psyop.

Only in your little world.
 
Oh boy, Djlunacee,

You are not paying attention. That study you linked us to is well known and is, in fact, at the heart of the darn video we are currently assessing. It is the flight path study covering the last 4min40sec of the alleged flight of alleged Flight 175 that confirms, by its content, that the path that it demands occurred does not in the least bit conform to the pattern, path of flight or directionality depicted in the ALL43 videos.

We know, too, that with respect to flight data we have the unresolved conundrum: "...is this exercise or is this real world?..."

The data inputs may be a part of the exercise. We simply do not know. In any event, all that you can point to with respect to Flight 175 ends up being inconclusive and indicative of a false psyop.

As to the video that is based, in part, on actual use of the NTSB flight path data you linked us to, see post # 2995:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6192341&postcount=2995

sheesh :boggled:

Evidence in support of planes on 9/11: unassailable
Evidence for use of DEW and Holograms: nonexistent
 
We know, too, that with respect to flight data we have the unresolved conundrum: "...is this exercise or is this real world?..."

The data inputs may be a part of the exercise. We simply do not know. In any event, all that you can point to with respect to Flight 175 ends up being inconclusive and indicative of a false psyop.

No, considering the very next words were something along the lines of"This is not a drill, not an excercise."

You're not very good at reading for comprehension are you?
 
Evidence in support of planes on 9/11: unassailable
Evidence for use of DEW and Holograms: nonexistent


The jammonius evasion list grows:-

DNA evidence? Planted.
Radar tracks? Falsified.
Video? Faked.
Audio? Inconclusive.
Eyewitnesses? Duped.
News Reports? Fabricated.
Expert Testimony? Corrupt .
Non-truther sources? Propaganda.
Victims? Imaginary.
Debris? Bogus.
Documentary Evidence? Psyops.

Compus
 
What happened to Ed Felt? If you are going to dodge, handwave, or post a metric ton of word salad, just don't post.

20 words or less, what happened to Ed Felt?

"Don't wait for the translation..."
 
Claim= "Immutable facts. Unassailable reason."

Fact= "Blatant Propaganda, personal testimonials used as a substitute for investigatory finding concerning alleged crash of alleged Flight 175."


See post # 2709 for more details concerning the deception engaged in by Compus.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6167823&postcount=2709


Compus, in an apparent text modification, now claims:



Hey Compus, please provide a source proving the above quoted claim. Surely you recognize posting up testimonials does not prove any plane crash, let alone a Boeing 767, still less a Boeing 767 belonging to United Airlines, and to an even lesser extent, still, that it was Flight 175.

You have not proven that claim at all, Compus; and, I here assert you will not be able to claim otherwise.

Source: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188902&postcount=2965

In that same post, Compus provides testimonial information for:

Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 80,
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188902&postcount=2965

Compus next appears to provide testimonial information for:

Lisa Frost, 22
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6192383&postcount=2997


Running Total:

Passengers:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, ____, _____
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43
Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 17C 15/51 Age: 80
Lisa Frost, 22A 16/51 Age: 22

Crew:
Saracini-pilot 1/9 Age: 51
Horrocks-first officer 2/9 Age: 38
Fangman-flight attendant 3/9 Age: 33
Jarret-flight attendant 4/9 Age: 28
King-flight attendant 5/9 Age: 29
Tarrou-flight attendant 6/9 Age: 38
Laborie-flight attendant 7/9 Age 44
Marchand-flight attendant 8/9 Age: 44
Titus-flight attendant 9/9 Age: 28

Average age of crew = 37

According to you these people didn't exist so why are you mentioning them?
 
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