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It's a hologram silly, that's easy!
Oystein
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Easy.
If you find something on the street, say, an apple core, a dime, a homeless person, or an AA life vest, you can't validly claim it is an apple core, a dime, a homeless person or an AA life vest if you don't write down its serial number. That is why when you go to a bank and try to deposit cash, the clerks (experts for the identification of money) will not accept your dimes as they are not identifyable by serial number. Right?
However, if you find something WITH a serial number, you will enter into a new bind: You see, the S/N as such does not tell you anything. It's just a number. You will have to look up it in a list to find out what it is. Suppose, such a list of airplane parts S/Ns is kept by American Airlines. You pick up some debris, put down the S/N, mail AA about it, and get an answer: Yes, that's our plane. What will jammo do then? Right! Claim that that identification is not authenticated and thus invalid!
Just like American Airlines' listing of passengers and crew and publicly announcing that they got lost in a crash along with a plane does not count as "authenticated"!
The only thing that could fix your trouble is this: Find some internet site that mentions that some company of a branch you personally find hideous is in the habit of putting S/Ns on product parts. Inferer from this: a) That company is involved in 9/11 b) they have put a zillion S/N on every piece of dust c) The government is covering that up
Gee, jammo must be proud of me! I am beginning to master the jammo-logic
Easy.
If you find something on the street, say, an apple core, a dime, a homeless person, or an AA life vest, you can't validly claim it is an apple core, a dime, a homeless person or an AA life vest if you don't write down its serial number. That is why when you go to a bank and try to deposit cash, the clerks (experts for the identification of money) will not accept your dimes as they are not identifyable by serial number. Right?
However, if you find something WITH a serial number, you will enter into a new bind: You see, the S/N as such does not tell you anything. It's just a number. You will have to look up it in a list to find out what it is. Suppose, such a list of airplane parts S/Ns is kept by American Airlines. You pick up some debris, put down the S/N, mail AA about it, and get an answer: Yes, that's our plane. What will jammo do then? Right! Claim that that identification is not authenticated and thus invalid!
Just like American Airlines' listing of passengers and crew and publicly announcing that they got lost in a crash along with a plane does not count as "authenticated"!
The only thing that could fix your trouble is this: Find some internet site that mentions that some company of a branch you personally find hideous is in the habit of putting S/Ns on product parts. Inferer from this: a) That company is involved in 9/11 b) they have put a zillion S/N on every piece of dust c) The government is covering that up
Gee, jammo must be proud of me! I am beginning to master the jammo-logic
Oystein, are you really from Germany? Because you are funny!
EventHorizon
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Wow. Just wow. An admission of complete and utter deception and dishonesty. Pathetic.
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That pretty much sums up all Truthers and their tactics.
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uke2se
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I'm having trouble reading Jam's Twooferese, but I gathered that he completely missed my point, made a complete fool of himself (again) and admitted that he won't be answering hard questions because they might challenge his faith. Did I get that right?
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It's the equivilant to Jammy putting his fingers in his ears and singing 'Laa Laa laa'
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Jam, i'm waiting- you claim no planes hit the WTC, and you claim the airplane debris was not really airplane debris- how do you explain this lifevest with American Airlines markings, found on a nearby rooftop after the WTC attacks?
Claim= "Immutable facts. Unassailable reason."
Fact= "Blatant Propaganda, personal testimonials used as a substitute for investigatory finding concerning alleged crash of alleged Flight 175."
See post # 2709 for more details concerning the deception engaged in by Compus.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6167823&postcount=2709
Compus, in an apparent text modification, now claims:
Hey Compus, please provide a source proving the above quoted claim. Surely you recognize posting up testimonials does not prove any plane crash, let alone a Boeing 767, still less a Boeing 767 belonging to United Airlines, and to an even lesser extent, still, that it was Flight 175.
You have not proven that claim at all, Compus; and, I here assert you will not be able to claim otherwise.
Source: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188902&postcount=2965
In that same post, Compus provides testimonial information for:
Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 80,
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188902&postcount=2965
Compus next appears to provide testimonial information for:
Lisa Frost, 22
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6192383&postcount=2997
Running Total:
Passengers:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, ____, _____
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43
Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 17C 15/51 Age: 80
Lisa Frost, 22A 16/51 Age: 22
Crew:
Saracini-pilot 1/9 Age: 51
Horrocks-first officer 2/9 Age: 38
Fangman-flight attendant 3/9 Age: 33
Jarret-flight attendant 4/9 Age: 28
King-flight attendant 5/9 Age: 29
Tarrou-flight attendant 6/9 Age: 38
Laborie-flight attendant 7/9 Age 44
Marchand-flight attendant 8/9 Age: 44
Titus-flight attendant 9/9 Age: 28
Average age of crew = 37
Fact= "Blatant Propaganda, personal testimonials used as a substitute for investigatory finding concerning alleged crash of alleged Flight 175."
See post # 2709 for more details concerning the deception engaged in by Compus.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6167823&postcount=2709
Compus, in an apparent text modification, now claims:
Hey Compus, please provide a source proving the above quoted claim. Surely you recognize posting up testimonials does not prove any plane crash, let alone a Boeing 767, still less a Boeing 767 belonging to United Airlines, and to an even lesser extent, still, that it was Flight 175.
You have not proven that claim at all, Compus; and, I here assert you will not be able to claim otherwise.
Source: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188902&postcount=2965
In that same post, Compus provides testimonial information for:
Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 80,
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6188902&postcount=2965
Compus next appears to provide testimonial information for:
Lisa Frost, 22
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6192383&postcount=2997
Running Total:
Passengers:
Hanson's seated in 19C,D,E 3/51 Ages: 21/2, ____, _____
Avraham, 22G 4/51 Age: 30
Bailey, 6F 5/51 Age: 54
Bavis, 19F 6/51 Age: 31
Berkeley, 6B 7/51 Age: 37
Bolourchi, 15C 8/51 Age: 69
Brandhurst, Gamboa, Gamboa-Brandhurst 8A,B,C 11/51 Ages: 41, 33, 3
Cahill, 6E 12/51 Age: 57
Carstanjen, 20A 13/51 Age: 33
Corcoran, 21G 14/51 Age: 43
Dorothy Alma deAraujo, 17C 15/51 Age: 80
Lisa Frost, 22A 16/51 Age: 22
Crew:
Saracini-pilot 1/9 Age: 51
Horrocks-first officer 2/9 Age: 38
Fangman-flight attendant 3/9 Age: 33
Jarret-flight attendant 4/9 Age: 28
King-flight attendant 5/9 Age: 29
Tarrou-flight attendant 6/9 Age: 38
Laborie-flight attendant 7/9 Age 44
Marchand-flight attendant 8/9 Age: 44
Titus-flight attendant 9/9 Age: 28
Average age of crew = 37
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How about it Truther- if as you claim these people were not on the planes- then where are they? You can't wish them away into the cornfield with a wave of your arm.
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Sombody help me, what relevance do the victims' age have? It seems to me that it's simply more padding for Jam's posts in an attempt to make them seem more sciency. Am I on the mark?
What is your source for the photo of the life vest? I am aware that some stupid debunker websites have used that photo, but, as you know, such websites do not rise to the level of evidence of anything, let alone something having to do with 9/11.
Please provide a source for your photo.
EventHorizon
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For that matter where are the planes? We know they existed.
You see jammy, if your theory is that there were no planes, you have to account for the missing people and planes. It's not up to us to do the work for you.
Carry on denying 9/11 and apologizing for the Muslim terrorists, Jammy. Your father would be proud of you.
EventHorizon
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http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/publications/sp/sp39/sept11book_ch8_warn.pdf
Took me all of 60 seconds to find the source.
/me waits for jammy to hand wave this away because it's not one of "his sources".
Well, it took me about the same amount of time to determine that proper claim to identifying that supposed life vest as having anything at all to do with 9/11 cannot be made.
That photo comes from a source, that by its own claim, had the following as and for its purpose:
"The objectives of the work described in this paper were two-fold: (1) to
collect information about the structural and nonstructural damage suffered by
the building at 130 Liberty Plaza due to the collapse of tower 2, and (2) to
investigate whether simple numerical tools used in the structural analysis of
buildings can be used to help explain the observed structural behavior. The
first objective was achieved by the September 23 walk-through of the
building. Summary information on the building damage is presented in the
reconnaissance section. The second objective was addressed using linear and
nonlinear analysis tools that are used by earthquake engineers. Berman et al.
(2002) and Warn et al. (forthcoming) present detailed information on the
September 23 reconnaissance and the subsequent studies."
See: pgs. 1-2/42
Source: http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/publications/sp/sp39/sept11book_ch8_warn.pdf
This is typical of debunker shenanigans. Always seeking to use bogus sources to make unsubstantiated claims. That study does not have any way of substantiating the claim the lifevest comes from Flight 11 -- remember, as well, that this is a thread dealing, not with American Flight 11, but with United 175. So, at the outset, the AA lifevest is a stupid derail in any event.
The people conducting the study were not collecting or documenting evidence and had no authority to do so; nor does it appear they even attempted any such investigation. The photo is a throw in, an after thought, as it were. They were studying the damage done to 130 Liberty Street.
That is not how research is conducted; instead, that is how propaganda is engaged in.
Please cut the crap and check your sources for validity and for reliability before subjecting yourself to easy refutation.
Furthermore, even as to its stated purpose, the exercise the writers of that study engaged in was obviously fubar.
130 Liberty Street is being dismantled, apparently on a stick by stick, stone by stone, beam by beam basis because it has mold.
It still hasn't been removed to this very day, nearly nine years later. SAIC still has the building shrouded in secrecy, covered, hidden and obscured.
Needless to say, all of that special handling and secrecy almost certainly has nothing at all to do with simple mold. That building was compromised by DEW and that is why it is being handled so ginerly and oh so slowly.
The study may prove useful because as of the date it was initiated, 9/21/01, it described the damage to the building in simple terms, giving no hiint at all that nine years later the building would be shrouded in secrecy and mystery, still standing. In the interim, it has caused mysterious death and has had inexplicable fires and has been both repaired and then declared unfit and then declared nearly impossible to demolish, absent the most special care imaginable.
Your study does not foretell anything of what was to come.
Thanks for posting that article. Some good use may come of it.
Meanwhile, as to your lifevest claim, do better.
sheesh
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Sorry, I'm still working on how they can have ages if they don't exist. And how one gets a seating chart for a non-existent plane.
(BTW, I knew one of the people on AA11. Not well, and hadn't talked with him in over a decade, but it was a shock to see his name on the list of victims.)
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The crew and passengers of United Airlines Flight 175
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Lynn Catherine Goodchild, 25, was a passenger on Flight 175. She lived in Attleboro, Massachusetts. Lynn worked as an administrator with Putnam Investments in Norwood for 3 years. She was a karate enthusiast and was president of her college karate club. Travelling with her boyfriend, Shawn Nassaney, Lynn was on vacation to Maui, Hawaii when they were killed. Lynn left behind her father William C Goodchild III, mother Ellen Goodchild, and a brother, Neil, all of Attleboro; and her grandmother, Elizabeth, of Beverly
The friends and family of Lynn and Shawn made up the largest single contingent at the 1st anniversary memorial ceremony at Ground Zero in New York. Over 100 people turned out to remember and honour Lynn and Shawn that day. After her daughters name was read out Ellen remarked "They said it very nicely". She was proud, happy, and seemingly unshaken. But her daughter's friends, especially five who graduated from Bryant College with Lynn and Shawn in 1998, were in tough shape. Ellen rushed to console them. "It's tough for them; they lost two friends," she said.
Source:- HERE HERE HERE HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
On the morning of September 11 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 was flying to Los Angeles from Boston, and was hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Shortly after taking off it was deliberately flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre, New York.
There were no survivors.
UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 PASSENGERS
Lynn Catherine Goodchild, 25, was a passenger on Flight 175. She lived in Attleboro, Massachusetts. Lynn worked as an administrator with Putnam Investments in Norwood for 3 years. She was a karate enthusiast and was president of her college karate club. Travelling with her boyfriend, Shawn Nassaney, Lynn was on vacation to Maui, Hawaii when they were killed. Lynn left behind her father William C Goodchild III, mother Ellen Goodchild, and a brother, Neil, all of Attleboro; and her grandmother, Elizabeth, of Beverly
The friends and family of Lynn and Shawn made up the largest single contingent at the 1st anniversary memorial ceremony at Ground Zero in New York. Over 100 people turned out to remember and honour Lynn and Shawn that day. After her daughters name was read out Ellen remarked "They said it very nicely". She was proud, happy, and seemingly unshaken. But her daughter's friends, especially five who graduated from Bryant College with Lynn and Shawn in 1998, were in tough shape. Ellen rushed to console them. "It's tough for them; they lost two friends," she said.
Source:- HERE HERE HERE HERE
Immutable facts. Unassailable reason.
Compus
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EventHorizon
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So do I win the MDC? Or did I have to predict the word salad to be eligible.
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